Stick Butter substitute?

CoderGal

Betty bought a bit of butter, but, said she, "this butter's bitter. If I put it in my batter, it will make my batter bitter."

So she bought a bit of butter better than the bitter butter, put in in her bitter batter, made her bitter batter better.

bump souly for this.

Fat is fat, and that's basically what butter is. I'm thnking of trying avocado next time for something different since it's high in fat and I'm becoming a fan of it. Great when frying up pancakes

Lyerin

I just use regular butter, made by a local dairy. I just don't use too much of it.

road2goal

I say stick with real butter. I'm becoming increasingly wary of anything that is "manufactured", "tastes like", anything with aspartame, etc. this is not natural products. Butter is natural and tastes so much better than any substitute. I find that when you use the good stuff, you don't need as much.

PaleoPath4Lyfe

There is nothing wrong with real butter unless you have issues with cassein. Saturated fat is not bad for you. so unless you have some underlying dairy allergy - butter is healthy for you.

I'm not sure if you actually know the OP and their medical history and speaking only to them, but as a general statement there are a lot of nutrition scientists and doctors who would disagree with this.

Again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saturated fat. The whole saturated fat MYTH has been debunked time and time again. Holes poked all through that theory..........

That is not a general statement, that is fact. Saturated fat nor cholesterol causes Cardiovascular Disease. Inflammation causes disease and that inflammation DOES NOT come from Saturated fats or cholesterol.

People really need to get out of that 1980's thinking. It is OLD and OUTDATED.

sjohnny

Swoon.

I had a tub of goose fat I had saved from the last time I cooked a goose. I used it for many delicious things. God help me I do miss it so. I need to get another goose or a duck or something.

Acg67

Swoon.

I had a tub of goose fat I had saved from the last time I cooked a goose. I used it for many delicious things. God help me I do miss it so. I need to get another goose or a duck or something.

http://www.amazon.com/Rendered-Duck-Fat-1-gallon/dp/B002GC3EJY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1357241727&sr=8-5&keywords=duck+fat

DavPul

Sorry, my grammar was horrible above!

I just meant the best butter to use with the least amount of fat/calories; there are so many brands to choose from, wasn't sure if anyone had a brand they would recommend.

Oh. I thought you wanted butter. I recommend the brand of butter called" butter".

Although sometimes, when I really want to eat healthy and lose weight, I use butter.

sjohnny

http://www.amazon.com/Rendered-Duck-Fat-1-gallon/dp/B002GC3EJY/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1357241727&sr=8-5&keywords=duck+fat

HOLY JEBUS! That's a steal. I don't know what it normally goes for but $37/gallon seems really good.

sjohnny

Sorry, my grammar was horrible above!

I just meant the best butter to use with the least amount of fat/calories; there are so many brands to choose from, wasn't sure if anyone had a brand they would recommend.

Oh. I thought you wanted butter. I recommend the brand of butter called" butter".

Although sometimes, when I really want to eat healthy and lose weight, I use butter.

Or what about butter?

bcattoes

There is nothing wrong with real butter unless you have issues with cassein. Saturated fat is not bad for you. so unless you have some underlying dairy allergy - butter is healthy for you.

I'm not sure if you actually know the OP and their medical history and speaking only to them, but as a general statement there are a lot of nutrition scientists and doctors who would disagree with this.

Again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saturated fat. The whole saturated fat MYTH has been debunked time and time again. Holes poked all through that theory..........

That is not a general statement, that is fact. Saturated fat nor cholesterol causes Cardiovascular Disease. Inflammation causes disease and that inflammation DOES NOT come from Saturated fats or cholesterol.

People really need to get out of that 1980's thinking. It is OLD and OUTDATED.

I don't know what MYTH you refer to, but currently (2013) most nutrition scientists and doctors recommend limiting saturated fat especially from beef/dairy sources.

MoreBean13

I personally think vegetable oil is FAR worse than butter for you so I'll take butter. Coconut oil is another good option- if I could find a salted coconut oil, I would be in heaven.

bcattoes

I personally think vegetable oil is FAR worse than butter for you so I'll take butter. Coconut oil is another good option- if I could find a salted coconut oil, I would be in heaven.

Isn't coconut oil a vegetable oil?

punkrockmama

Ghee!!!
http://www.yogajournal.com/health/56

And just putting this out there: diet foods are usually much worse & much harder on your body than it's whole food counterpart. Margarine is pretty much garbage in taste & in regards to how your body processes it.

KittieLea

Just use bacon.

PikaKnight

Sorry, my grammar was horrible above!

I just meant the best butter to use with the least amount of fat/calories; there are so many brands to choose from, wasn't sure if anyone had a brand they would recommend.

Oh. I thought you wanted butter. I recommend the brand of butter called" butter".

Although sometimes, when I really want to eat healthy and lose weight, I use butter.

^this = Mind Blown...who knew that butter was just...butter.....

roflmao

ecw3780

I like brummel and brown. Also, you can cook with it.

grnqueen

As long as you have butter that is all natural for you it is better for you then the supposed healthy butter substitutes. The problem with many butters is that it has tons of additives, get a natural butter and it will be the best.

love4fitnesslove4food_wechange

I just go without butter. It's not really necessary for anything... Are you looking for substitute when cooking? baking? eating on bread? Butter IS bad for you when you eat more than just a little bit. The sat fat is through the roof. Just in my opinion though Good luck with a substitute that satisfies you

Your opinion isn't very well informed :drinker:

ha. I TRY to get my sat fat and cholesterol levels up. YAY for cheese!

fittf0rlife

I'm not a vegan but this stuff is a great substitute for butter : http://www.earthbalancenatural.com/products/

jlapey

I prefer to use real butter. I usually buy Land O'Lakes unsalted stick butter.

Carol_L

There is nothing wrong with real butter unless you have issues with cassein. Saturated fat is not bad for you. so unless you have some underlying dairy allergy - butter is healthy for you.

I'm not sure if you actually know the OP and their medical history and speaking only to them, but as a general statement there are a lot of nutrition scientists and doctors who would disagree with this.

Again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saturated fat. The whole saturated fat MYTH has been debunked time and time again. Holes poked all through that theory..........

That is not a general statement, that is fact. Saturated fat nor cholesterol causes Cardiovascular Disease. Inflammation causes disease and that inflammation DOES NOT come from Saturated fats or cholesterol.

People really need to get out of that 1980's thinking. It is OLD and OUTDATED.

I don't know what MYTH you refer to, but currently (2013) most nutrition scientists and doctors recommend limiting saturated fat especially from beef/dairy sources.

The problem with the whole 'Saturated Fat is EVIL' meme is that term Saturated Fat covers a wide area of what are known as Fatty Acids (let's call them SFAs for brevity).

To quote Alan Aragon:
"SFA were thought to be the root of all evil, conjuring images of arterial plaque and eventual heart failure, while unsaturated fat was regarded as a universally angelic substance. This turned out to be a gross oversimplification of reality"

An article from AARR discussing the issue, with research citations, can be found here: http://alanaragon.com/fish-oil.html

bcattoes

There is nothing wrong with real butter unless you have issues with cassein. Saturated fat is not bad for you. so unless you have some underlying dairy allergy - butter is healthy for you.

I'm not sure if you actually know the OP and their medical history and speaking only to them, but as a general statement there are a lot of nutrition scientists and doctors who would disagree with this.

Again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saturated fat. The whole saturated fat MYTH has been debunked time and time again. Holes poked all through that theory..........

That is not a general statement, that is fact. Saturated fat nor cholesterol causes Cardiovascular Disease. Inflammation causes disease and that inflammation DOES NOT come from Saturated fats or cholesterol.

People really need to get out of that 1980's thinking. It is OLD and OUTDATED.

I don't know what MYTH you refer to, but currently (2013) most nutrition scientists and doctors recommend limiting saturated fat especially from beef/dairy sources.

The problem with the whole 'Saturated Fat is EVIL' meme is that term Saturated Fat covers a wide area of what are known as Fatty Acids (let's call them SFAs for brevity).

To quote Alan Aragon:
"SFA were thought to be the root of all evil, conjuring images of arterial plaque and eventual heart failure, while unsaturated fat was regarded as a universally angelic substance. This turned out to be a gross oversimplification of reality"

An article from AARR discussing the issue, with research citations, can be found here: http://alanaragon.com/fish-oil.html

Exactly. Saying "saturated fats are good for you" is just as erroneous as saying "saturated fats are evil".

To quote the Harvard School of Public Health:

"With headlines like “Saturated Fat is Not Your Heart’s Enemy,” and “NOT GUILTY: The Long-Standing Vilification of Saturated Fat Finally Turning to Vindication,”(23,24) some of the media and blog coverage of these studies would have you believe that scientists had given a green light to eating bacon, butter, and cheese. But that’s an oversimplified and erroneous interpretation. Read the study and subsequent studies more closely, and the message is more nuanced: Cutting back on saturated fat can be good for health if people replace saturated fat with good fats, especially, polyunsaturated fats. (16,25) Eating good fats in place of saturated fat lowers the “bad” LDL cholesterol, and it improves the ratio of total cholesterol to “good” HDL cholesterol, lowering the risk of heart disease. Eating good fats in place of saturated fat can also help prevent insulin resistance, a precursor to diabetes. (26)

Cutting back on saturated fat will likely have no benefit, however, if people replace saturated fat with refined carbohydrates—white bread, white rice, mashed potatoes, sugary drinks, and the like. Eating refined carbs in place of saturated fat does lower “bad” LDL cholesterol—but it also lowers the “good” HDL cholesterol and increases triglycerides. The net effect is as bad for the heart as eating too much saturated fat—and perhaps even worse for people who have insulin resistance because they are overweight or inactive. (17,25)"

This article also discussed the topic in depth, with research citations and links.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html

gddrdld

There is nothing wrong with real butter unless you have issues with cassein. Saturated fat is not bad for you. so unless you have some underlying dairy allergy - butter is healthy for you.

I'm not sure if you actually know the OP and their medical history and speaking only to them, but as a general statement there are a lot of nutrition scientists and doctors who would disagree with this.

Again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saturated fat. The whole saturated fat MYTH has been debunked time and time again. Holes poked all through that theory..........

That is not a general statement, that is fact. Saturated fat nor cholesterol causes Cardiovascular Disease. Inflammation causes disease and that inflammation DOES NOT come from Saturated fats or cholesterol.

People really need to get out of that 1980's thinking. It is OLD and OUTDATED.

I don't know what MYTH you refer to, but currently (2013) most nutrition scientists and doctors recommend limiting saturated fat especially from beef/dairy sources.

"Most" nutrition scientists and doctors?? Not true. At least not the up to date/well informed ones. I am a Licensed/Reg. Dietitian and have been working in the field of clinical nutrition with many, many MD's for the past 20 yrs and I can tell you that "we" have not been recommending low saturated fat diets for quite some time and I always recommend using real butter over margarine or other "spreads" as part of a healthy, whole foods type diet.

aouragan

I like to use a good walnut oil (La Tourangelle or Le Moulin de Marie) in recipes that are somewhat sweet like muffins or pies. Olive oil in savory baking. But in some pastry recipes you really need a fat that is solid at room temp and butter is best for that. Personally, I tend to reserve it for eating straight over already cooked foods.

As some folks have pointed out, there is variation in fat content between butters. So you might want to look around some.

Finally, if you are losing weight you can only eat a little butter regularly, so make it a GOOD butter. Best tasting domestic butter I've found is Vermont Creamery, though you can also make a great butter in your blender much cheaper.

bostonwolf

Go to an Indian grocery store and buy some ghee (clarified butter) and thank me.

bcattoes

There is nothing wrong with real butter unless you have issues with cassein. Saturated fat is not bad for you. so unless you have some underlying dairy allergy - butter is healthy for you.

I'm not sure if you actually know the OP and their medical history and speaking only to them, but as a general statement there are a lot of nutrition scientists and doctors who would disagree with this.

Again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saturated fat. The whole saturated fat MYTH has been debunked time and time again. Holes poked all through that theory..........

That is not a general statement, that is fact. Saturated fat nor cholesterol causes Cardiovascular Disease. Inflammation causes disease and that inflammation DOES NOT come from Saturated fats or cholesterol.

People really need to get out of that 1980's thinking. It is OLD and OUTDATED.

I don't know what MYTH you refer to, but currently (2013) most nutrition scientists and doctors recommend limiting saturated fat especially from beef/dairy sources.

"Most" nutrition scientists and doctors?? Not true. At least not the up to date/well informed ones. I am a Licensed/Reg. Dietitian and have been working in the field of clinical nutrition with many, many MD's for the past 20 yrs and I can tell you that "we" have not been recommending low saturated fat diets for quite some time and I always recommend using real butter over margarine or other "spreads" as part of a healthy, whole foods type diet.

Can you provide information from an authoritative source of nutrition scientists that does not suggest limiting saturated fats? I mean, something other than a person blog or open internet forum post?

neanderthin

There is nothing wrong with real butter unless you have issues with cassein. Saturated fat is not bad for you. so unless you have some underlying dairy allergy - butter is healthy for you.

I'm not sure if you actually know the OP and their medical history and speaking only to them, but as a general statement there are a lot of nutrition scientists and doctors who would disagree with this.

Again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saturated fat. The whole saturated fat MYTH has been debunked time and time again. Holes poked all through that theory..........

That is not a general statement, that is fact. Saturated fat nor cholesterol causes Cardiovascular Disease. Inflammation causes disease and that inflammation DOES NOT come from Saturated fats or cholesterol.

People really need to get out of that 1980's thinking. It is OLD and OUTDATED.

I don't know what MYTH you refer to, but currently (2013) most nutrition scientists and doctors recommend limiting saturated fat especially from beef/dairy sources.

The problem with the whole 'Saturated Fat is EVIL' meme is that term Saturated Fat covers a wide area of what are known as Fatty Acids (let's call them SFAs for brevity).

To quote Alan Aragon:
"SFA were thought to be the root of all evil, conjuring images of arterial plaque and eventual heart failure, while unsaturated fat was regarded as a universally angelic substance. This turned out to be a gross oversimplification of reality"

An article from AARR discussing the issue, with research citations, can be found here: http://alanaragon.com/fish-oil.html

Exactly. Saying "saturated fats are good for you" is just as erroneous as saying "saturated fats are evil".

To quote the Harvard School of Public Health:

"With headlines like “Saturated Fat is Not Your Heart’s Enemy,” and “NOT GUILTY: The Long-Standing Vilification of Saturated Fat Finally Turning to Vindication,”(23,24) some of the media and blog coverage of these studies would have you believe that scientists had given a green light to eating bacon, butter, and cheese. But that’s an oversimplified and erroneous interpretation. Read the study and subsequent studies more closely, and the message is more nuanced: Cutting back on saturated fat can be good for health if people replace saturated fat with good fats, especially, polyunsaturated fats. (16,25) Eating good fats in place of saturated fat lowers the “bad” LDL cholesterol, and it improves the ratio of total cholesterol to “good” HDL cholesterol, lowering the risk of heart disease. Eating good fats in place of saturated fat can also help prevent insulin resistance, a precursor to diabetes. (26)

Cutting back on saturated fat will likely have no benefit, however, if people replace saturated fat with refined carbohydrates—white bread, white rice, mashed potatoes, sugary drinks, and the like. Eating refined carbs in place of saturated fat does lower “bad” LDL cholesterol—but it also lowers the “good” HDL cholesterol and increases triglycerides. The net effect is as bad for the heart as eating too much saturated fat—and perhaps even worse for people who have insulin resistance because they are overweight or inactive. (17,25)"

This article also discussed the topic in depth, with research citations and links.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/fats-full-story/index.html

Even Harvard has changed it's stance recently, I guess they didn't want to appear totally uneducated, big deal. lol

bcattoes

Even Harvard has changed it's stance recently, I guess they didn't want to appear totally uneducated, big deal. lol

They change their stance when the data points that a change is needed. They've never been shy about changing or discussing why the change was needed. That's why I follow their advice. It is the most evidenced based I've found.

But, I don't know why scientists changing their advice is cause for amusement or ridicule. Anyone that says they know it all when it comes to nutrition is suspect IMO. Too much is still left to be discovered. I'll always go with the advice of those that are on the forefront of that education, rather than MFP members who think they are qualified to educate the educators because they read an internet blog or trolled pubmed.

neanderthin

Even Harvard has changed it's stance recently, I guess they didn't want to appear totally uneducated, big deal. lol

They change their stance when the data points that a change is needed. They've never been shy about changing or discussing why the change was needed. That's why I follow their advice. It is the most evidenced based I've found.

But, I don't know why scientists changing their advice is cause for amusement or ridicule. Anyone that says they know it all when it comes to nutrition is suspect IMO. Too much is still left to be discovered. I'll always go with the advice of those that are on the forefront of that education, rather than MFP members who think they are qualified to educate the educators because they read an internet blog or trolled pubmed.

Because changing advice now when contradictory data was available 30 years ago, doesn't make them authoritative, but rather foolish.

If you can find a single study that shows saturated fat causes heart disease, I mean they been saying that forever, so that should be easy, but also a study where no refined carbs, trans fats and fast food where in that study. I'm probably giving to much credit to the masses here but generally speaking refined carbs, transfats and fast food contribute to heart disease, and we don't want any correlations here, do we, the funny thing is the "overall effect" with these products is, it lowers LDL, isn't that just mind boggling

gddrdld

There is nothing wrong with real butter unless you have issues with cassein. Saturated fat is not bad for you. so unless you have some underlying dairy allergy - butter is healthy for you.

I'm not sure if you actually know the OP and their medical history and speaking only to them, but as a general statement there are a lot of nutrition scientists and doctors who would disagree with this.

Again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with saturated fat. The whole saturated fat MYTH has been debunked time and time again. Holes poked all through that theory..........

That is not a general statement, that is fact. Saturated fat nor cholesterol causes Cardiovascular Disease. Inflammation causes disease and that inflammation DOES NOT come from Saturated fats or cholesterol.

People really need to get out of that 1980's thinking. It is OLD and OUTDATED.

I don't know what MYTH you refer to, but currently (2013) most nutrition scientists and doctors recommend limiting saturated fat especially from beef/dairy sources.

"Most" nutrition scientists and doctors?? Not true. At least not the up to date/well informed ones. I am a Licensed/Reg. Dietitian and have been working in the field of clinical nutrition with many, many MD's for the past 20 yrs and I can tell you that "we" have not been recommending low saturated fat diets for quite some time and I always recommend using real butter over margarine or other "spreads" as part of a healthy, whole foods type diet.

Can you provide information from an authoritative source of nutrition scientists that does not suggest limiting saturated fats? I mean, something other than a person blog or open internet forum post?

First, I don't practise based on information in "person blogs" or "internet forum posts". Medical Nutrition Therapy has been my profession as well as a passion for me for a long time. I read current peer reviewed journals to stay up to date as well as attend graduate continuing education programs on a regular basis, along with tracking my actual patient outcomes. Second, your quotation from the Harvard School of Medicine actually illustrates my point quite well. The large body of evidence (data) surrounding the vast feild of nutrition science can be interpreted in many ways. It is true that science is ever evolving and what we "know" now may not hold true in the future. However, there is strong scientific evidence to suggest that (as the article you referenced depicts) saturated fats (as a single dietary factor) are not the main predictor of cardiac outcomes, especially when taken into account in use vs. a diet higher in hydrogenated oils and refined grains.