Too much Protein?

Mverdecia1

Is it possible to eat too much protein if everything else is in line? Thoughts....


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drmerc

No

R0asted

If you eat waaay too much protein your kidneys have to do a lot of work to convert it to glucose (a form of sugar) so your body can use it for energy. This "supposedly" is bad for your kidneys. With that said I eat over 300g of protein a day and myfitnesspal claims my goal should be 90g and I'm still alive.

EDIT: I think it might actually be liver and not kidneys....my bad

UsedToBeHusky

Too much protein is only a problem if you aren't eating enough carbs. 30% is a good goal to shoot for and honestly, I find it a challenge.

wareagle8706

If you eat waaay too much protein your kidneys have to do a lot of work to convert it to glucose (a form of sugar) so your body can use it for energy. This "supposedly" is bad for your kidneys. With that said I eat over 300g of protein a day and myfitnesspal claims my goal should be 90g and I'm still alive.

EDIT: I think it might actually be liver and not kidneys....my bad

Liver and kidney's. You are correct.

Yes. It's possible to eat too much.

wareagle8706

No

You should research before posting incorrect things to people who want to know how the human body works.

jacksonpt

Yes, it's possible... but it's such a high number/amount that it's not worth worrying about for most people

lacurandera1

Too much protein is mainly only a bad idea if you're not active enough to use it all. First protein restores our amino acid stocks to rebuild and repair muscles. Then the excess is stored as glycogen in the liver or converted to fat. So, if you eat 300 grams a day and only get up to pee...it's probably a bad thing. But if you're relatively active I think you're good to go. I eat 200 g a day on a regular and don't seem to have any problems.

MaraDiaz

Too much protein is only a problem if you aren't eating enough carbs. 30% is a good goal to shoot for and honestly, I find it a challenge.

Or fat. You can eat fat and protein or protein and carbs, but don't cut out both carbs and fat if you are high protein. Also some fat is required no matter what.

Read up on rabbit starvation. But even then other stressors might be required to actually kill you.

Findekano

Too much protein is only a problem if you aren't eating enough carbs. 30% is a good goal to shoot for and honestly, I find it a challenge.

More info on this? I've heard that if you are on a ketogenic diet, you MUST keep your fats up, but I haven't heard about needing to keep carbs up.

Cliffslosinit

A solid hard intake of protein daily is good for you.

Findekano

Too much protein is only a problem if you aren't eating enough carbs. 30% is a good goal to shoot for and honestly, I find it a challenge.

Or fat. You can eat fat and protein or protein and carbs, but don't cut out both carbs and fat if you are high protein.

Read up on rabbit starvation. But even then other stressors might be required to actually kill you.

Ah, nevermind, you answered my question for me!

drmerc

No

You should research before posting incorrect things to people who want to know how the human body works.

How was I wrong?

MaraDiaz

Too much protein is only a problem if you aren't eating enough carbs. 30% is a good goal to shoot for and honestly, I find it a challenge.

Or fat. You can eat fat and protein or protein and carbs, but don't cut out both carbs and fat if you are high protein.

Read up on rabbit starvation. But even then other stressors might be required to actually kill you.

Ah, nevermind, you answered my question for me!

I did edit, though. You do need some fat in your diet no matter what. Don't go zero fat!

lacurandera1

Read up on rabbit starvation. But even then other stressors might be required to actually kill you.

Where I live, weed walnut trees are extremely abundant. We've figured out, it's in case of an apocalypse and all we can eat is rabbits. And Walnuts, of course!

Juggernoobs

Yes, most certainly. Your kidneys do a LOT of work. You will run the risk of getting kidney stones. You can minimise this risk by also increasing water intake and keep a balanced diet with the correct about of carbs. I take 120g of protein a day however I do a lot of phys therefore my body needs it and I must drink 3-4 pints of water a day to keep body flush.

cmcollins001

No

You should research before posting incorrect things to people who want to know how the human body works.

Is it possible? Probably so.

Is the OP ever going to do it? Most likely never. So "No" isn't an incorrect statement.

Bobby__Clerici

Too much protein is only a problem if you aren't eating enough carbs. 30% is a good goal to shoot for and honestly, I find it a challenge.

^^^^^
THIS
If we are working within the MFP calorie recommendations, 30% of these from protein is a good number.
I balance 30% protein, 40% carb and 30% fat
You must decide these numbers for yourself based on your own goals.
If you are uncertain, just stick with the dfault MFP settings.
Good Luck :flowerforyou:

TheRealPDouble

Is it possible to eat too much protein if everything else is in line? Thoughts....


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Maddie

Yes, you can have too much, but I am guessing it is going to be pretty unlikely that you are going to hit that level... You should definitely be eating more protein than MFP recommends as it is... I personally shoot for about a 0.9-1.3 grams per pound of LBM range. The biggest problem with "over consumption" of protein is just that the body has a hard time digesting and breaking down large amounts of it at a time. I have heard many different ranges on this, but in the end if you are working hard then your body will use it or lose it... so all in all, I wouldn't worry about too much, just worry about getting enough.

nguk123

On any diet where your total caloric intake is moderate 2-3kcals you are in no danger of eating protein to excess so that it could do damage. Yes, it wont help livers or kidneys that have been diminished by illness or injury ,to consume a lot of protein; but it wont initiate damage to them. The best reason not to pig out on protein is just that its relatively expensive...

Yes, lots of bodybuilders that eat crazy proteing (5-600 grams a day) can do themselves damage, IF they are taking steroids and hormones that impact their liver and kidney functions....

The above is my understanding based on listening to fitness youtubers such as Ian Mcarthy, Jason Blaha etc...

YMMV.

Findekano

Too much protein is only a problem if you aren't eating enough carbs. 30% is a good goal to shoot for and honestly, I find it a challenge.

Or fat. You can eat fat and protein or protein and carbs, but don't cut out both carbs and fat if you are high protein.

Read up on rabbit starvation. But even then other stressors might be required to actually kill you.

Ah, nevermind, you answered my question for me!

I did edit, though. You do need some fat in your diet no matter what. Don't go zero fat!

Oh, yes! I think if I cut out all fat (or even went down to the mfp default recommendation), I'd be miserable. I don't know how people do it.

gp79

All that extra work your body is doing converting protein to glucose requires energy. Upwards to 30% of calories from protein are used to break it down.

MaraDiaz

Read up on rabbit starvation. But even then other stressors might be required to actually kill you.

Where I live, weed walnut trees are extremely abundant. We've figured out, it's in case of an apocalypse and all we can eat is rabbits. And Walnuts, of course!

We would have to eat squirrels around here. And maybe the giant turkey buzzard that cleans them off our roads for us. But I couldn't eat that bird, I have developed a real fondness for him.

MaraDiaz

All that extra work your body is doing converting protein to glucose requires energy. Upwards to 30% of calories from protein are used to break it down.

No complaints here! Since I am so efficient at stuffing my face a little inefficiency at burning what I eat is fine by me!

diodelcibo

Unless you are eating like 300 grams a day your kidneys should be able to take it.

matrixkingdom

Is it possible to eat too much protein if everything else is in line? Thoughts....


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Maddie

Yes it is possible to eat too much protein. When you consume too much protein, your body begins to urinate/excrete calcium out of the body. This is called "hypercalciuria" .. so when we look at osteoporosis, we have to wonder if it's caused by calcium deficiency or excess protein. I also believe this is only if it comes from "animal protein" because of the sulfur in meat and that makes our insides toxic and makes it acidic, not alkaline. Moderate protein intakes should be between 40g-80g depending on your physical activity.

cmcollins001

Is it possible to eat too much protein if everything else is in line? Thoughts....


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Maddie

Yes it is possible to eat too much protein. When you consume too much protein, your body begins to urinate/excrete calcium out of the body. This is called "hypercalciuria" .. so when we look at osteoporosis, we have to wonder if it's caused by calcium deficiency or excess protein. I also believe this is only if it comes from "animal protein" because ofthe sulfur in meat and that toxifies our body and makes it acidic, not alkaline.

Hypercalciuria, or excessive urinary calcium excretion, occurs in about 5-10% of the population[1] and is the most common identifiable cause of calcium kidney stone disease.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/436343-overview

Says nothing about the cause being too much protein.

tmcc70

No...My doctor recomends starting each day with 25 grams of protien. It does give me alot more energy, how ever I have a hard time getting in that much protien and still keep my calorie intake low.

matrixkingdom

Is it possible to eat too much protein if everything else is in line? Thoughts....


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Maddie

Yes it is possible to eat too much protein. When you consume too much protein, your body begins to urinate/excrete calcium out of the body. This is called "hypercalciuria" .. so when we look at osteoporosis, we have to wonder if it's caused by calcium deficiency or excess protein. I also believe this is only if it comes from "animal protein" because ofthe sulfur in meat and that toxifies our body and makes it acidic, not alkaline.

Hypercalciuria, or excessive urinary calcium excretion, occurs in about 5-10% of the population[1] and is the most common identifiable cause of calcium kidney stone disease.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/436343-overview

Says nothing about the cause being too much protein.

You can store fat and you can store carbohydrates but you can't store protein. The average omnivore eats over 140g of protein. Our bodies only need 30g of protein to start your day and max out at around 80g. Your liver begins to break it down and as it metabolizes it, it releases all kinds of toxic nitrogen containing wastes such as urea, ammonia & amino-acid fragments. As all these toxic wastes pass through your kidneys, it makes you lose calcium out of your urine. There is fundamental differences between animal protein and plant protein. Animal proteins have amino-acids that contain sulfur, and that makes extra acid in the body.. and as acids wash through the bones, they dissolve calcium out of the bones. Plants have much less acid. Animal protein is very concentrated, the muscle of an animal is the most concentrated protein on the planet and so there is a big chunk of protein that goes through your bloodstream as soon as you put it in your body. Plant protein is made of fiber, so it takes hours to absorb into the bloodstream which is much gentler on the body. The proper term is called "Protein-Induced Hypercalciuria"

UsedToBeHusky

Is it possible to eat too much protein if everything else is in line? Thoughts....


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Maddie

Yes it is possible to eat too much protein. When you consume too much protein, your body begins to urinate/excrete calcium out of the body. This is called "hypercalciuria" .. so when we look at osteoporosis, we have to wonder if it's caused by calcium deficiency or excess protein. I also believe this is only if it comes from "animal protein" because ofthe sulfur in meat and that toxifies our body and makes it acidic, not alkaline.

Hypercalciuria, or excessive urinary calcium excretion, occurs in about 5-10% of the population[1] and is the most common identifiable cause of calcium kidney stone disease.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/436343-overview

Says nothing about the cause being too much protein.

You can store fat and you can store carbohydrates but you can't store protein. The average omnivore eats over 140g of protein. Our bodies only need 30g of protein to start your day and max out at around 80g. Your liver begins to break it down and as it metabolizes it, it releases all kinds of toxic nitrogen containing wastes such as urea, ammonia & amino-acid fragments. As all these toxic wastes pass through your kidneys, it makes you lose calcium out of your urine. There is fundamental differences between animal protein and plant protein. Animal proteins have amino-acids that contain sulfur, and that makes extra acid in the body.. and as acids wash through the bones, they dissolve calcium out of the bones. Plants have much less acid. Animal protein is very concentrated, the muscle of an animal is the most concentrated protein on the planet and so there is a big chunk of protein that goes through your bloodstream as soon as you put it in your body. Plant protein is made of fiber, so it takes hours to absorb into the bloodstream which is much gentler on the body. The proper term is called "Protein-Induced Hypercalciuria"

First off, the body is able to store protein in muscle. That is why when you eat at a deficit and do not lift, you lose muscle mass. Because the body will draw upon stored protein for energy. Secondly, the average omnivore does NOT consume 140g of protein. At a 1900 calorie deficit and 30% protein goal, MFP calculates that I should be consuming 143g of protein and most of the time, I am barely able to break 100g. As for everything else you said, I have no idea of what you are talking about, but it loses credibility since I know the first two points to be completely incorrect.

The only thing that the body is not able to store is alcohol.

SideSteel

Is it possible to eat too much protein if everything else is in line? Thoughts....


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Maddie

Yes it is possible to eat too much protein. When you consume too much protein, your body begins to urinate/excrete calcium out of the body. This is called "hypercalciuria" .. so when we look at osteoporosis, we have to wonder if it's caused by calcium deficiency or excess protein. I also believe this is only if it comes from "animal protein" because ofthe sulfur in meat and that toxifies our body and makes it acidic, not alkaline.

Hypercalciuria, or excessive urinary calcium excretion, occurs in about 5-10% of the population[1] and is the most common identifiable cause of calcium kidney stone disease.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/436343-overview

Says nothing about the cause being too much protein.

You can store fat and you can store carbohydrates but you can't store protein. The average omnivore eats over 140g of protein. Our bodies only need 30g of protein to start your day and max out at around 80g. Your liver begins to break it down and as it metabolizes it, it releases all kinds of toxic nitrogen containing wastes such as urea, ammonia & amino-acid fragments. As all these toxic wastes pass through your kidneys, it makes you lose calcium out of your urine. There is fundamental differences between animal protein and plant protein. Animal proteins have amino-acids that contain sulfur, and that makes extra acid in the body.. and as acids wash through the bones, they dissolve calcium out of the bones. Plants have much less acid. Animal protein is very concentrated, the muscle of an animal is the most concentrated protein on the planet and so there is a big chunk of protein that goes through your bloodstream as soon as you put it in your body. Plant protein is made of fiber, so it takes hours to absorb into the bloodstream which is much gentler on the body. The proper term is called "Protein-Induced Hypercalciuria"

Increased calcium in the urine is not a direct measure of bone-calcium balance.

I'd see here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15546911
http://www.nutritionj.com/content/10/1/41
http://nutridylan.com/2012/07/02/higher-protein-diets-controversies-implications/

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19279077 (<---- MAy 2009 AARR also)

EDIT: There is additional research showing potential issues in older patients who are consuming insufficient calcium to begin with. The solution here isn't to recommend a protein deficient diet, it's to increase calcium. There's plenty of benefit to consuming protein well beyond the measly recommendation you made in a previous quote.