Starvation myth explained

This seems a good explanation of the starvation myth (or part-myth if you like)

http://www.weightwatchers.co.uk/util/art/index_art.aspx?tabnum=1&art_id=29241

For me, as mentioned here, the most detrimental thing about eating too little is the danger of feeling so deprived that you end up binge eating. (Been there, that's a waste of time and energy!)

At the same time I don't think people need to freak out over eating 1200 cals (if you're smallish, less active). More may be needed depending in the individual of course.

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  • sweebum
    sweebum Posts: 1,060 Member
    Er, well it's not really a "myth", but I don't think it happens anywhere near the amount people think it does.

    Here's an excellent article written by Tom Venuto (one of the few I would trust on the subject.) Also check Lyle McDonald, Leigh Peele, Martin Berkhan, etc.
    QUESTION: Tom, Is it possible to not lose body fat because you're eating too little?

    Linda
    Tampa FL

    ANSWER:

    Yes and no. This gets a little complicated so let me explain both sides.

    Part one of my answer: I say NO, because if you are in a calorie deficit you
    WILL lose weight.

    Most people have heard anecdotes of the dieter who claims to be eating
    800 calories a day or some starvation diet level of intake that is clearly in
    a deficit and yet is not losing fat. Like the mythicalunicorn, such an animal
    does not exist.

    Every time you take a person like that and put them in a hospital research
    center or metabolic ward where their food can be counted, weighed, measured
    and almost literally "spoon fed" to them, a calorie deficit always produces weight loss.

    There are no exceptions, except possibly in rare diseases or mutations. Even
    then metabolic or hormonal defects or diseases merely lead to energy imbalance
    via increases in appetite, decreases in energy expenditure or changes in energy
    partitioning. So at the end of the day it's STILL calories in versus calories out.

    In other words, NO - it's NOT your thyroid (unless you've got a confirmed
    diagnosis as such...and then guess what... it's STILL calories in vs calories out,
    you're just not burning as many as someone should at your height and weight).

    One famous study that was published in the New England Journal of Medicine
    years ago proved this point rather dramatically. After studying obese people -
    selected specifically because they swore they were eating less than 1200 calories
    but could not lose weight - Steven Lichtman and his colleages at St. Luke's
    Roosevent Hospital in New York came to the following conclusion:

    "The failure of some obese subjects to lose weight while eating a diet they
    report as low in calories is due to an energy intake substantially higher than
    reported and an overestimation of physical activity, not to an abnormality
    in thermogenesis."

    That's right - the so-called "diet-resistant" subjects were eating more than they
    thought and moving less than they thought. This was probably the single best
    study ever published that debunks the "I'm in a calorie deficit but I can't lose
    weight" myth:

    Part two of my answer, YES, because:

    1) Energy intake increases.

    Eating too little causes major increases in appetite. With hunger raging out of
    control, you lose your deficit by overeating. This happens in many ways, such
    as giving in to cravings, binge eating, eating more on weekends or simply being
    inconsistent, so some days you're on your prescribed 1600 calories a day or
    whatever is your target amount, but on others you're taking in 2200, 2500,
    3000 etc and you don't realize it or remember it. The overeating days wipe
    out the deficit days.

    2) Metabolism decreases due to smaller body mass.

    Any time at all when you're losing weight, your metabolism is slowly decreasing
    due to your reduced body mass. The smaller and lighter you get, especially if
    there's a large drop in skeletal muscle mass, the fewer calories you need. So
    your calorie deficit slowly shrinks over time as your diet progresses. As a result,
    your progress slows down even though you haven't changed how much you eat.

    With starvation, you always lose weight, but eventually you lose so much
    weight/body mass that you can reach energy balance at the same caloric
    intake you used to lose weight on. You might translate that as "I went into
    starvation mode" which wouldn't be incorrect, but it would be more accurate
    to say that your calorie needs decreased.

    3) Metabolism decreases due to adaptive thermogenesis.

    Eating too little also causes a starvation response (adaptive thermogenesis) where
    metabolic rate can decrease above and beyond what can be accounted for from
    the change in body mass (#2 above). This is "starvation response" in the truest
    sense. It does exist and it is well documented. However, the latest research says
    that the vast majority of the decrease in metabolism comes from reduced body
    mass. The adaptive component of the reduced metabolic rate is fairly small,
    perhaps 10% (ie, 220 calories for an average female with a 2200 TDEE). The
    result is when you don't eat enough, your actual weight loss is less than
    predicted on paper, but weight loss doesn't stop completely.

    There is a BIG myth about starvation mode (adaptive thermogenesis) that
    implies that if you don't eat enough, your metabolism will slow down so much
    that you stop losing weight. That can't happen, it only appears that way
    because weight loss stops for other reasons. What happens is the math
    equation changes!

    Energy balance is dynamic, so your weight loss slows down and eventually stops
    over time if you fail to adjust your calories and activity levels in real time each
    week.

    I teach a system for how to adjust calories and activity weekly using a feedback
    loop method in my Burn The Fat, Feed The Muscle program (more info from
    www.BurnTheFat.com)

    So what can be done to stop this metabolic slowdown caused by low calorie
    dieting and the dreaded fat loss plateau that follows? I recommend the
    following 5 tips:

    1) Lose the pounds slowly.

    Slow and steady wins in long term fat loss and maintenance every time. Rapid
    weight loss correlates strongly with weight relapse and loss of lean body mass.
    Aim for one to two pounds per week, or no more than 1% of total body weight
    (ie, 3 lbs per week if you weigh 300 lbs).

    2) Use a higher energy flux program.

    If you are physically capable of exercise, then use weight training AND cardio
    to increase your calorie expenditure, so you can still have a calorie deficit, but
    at a higher food intake (also known as a "high energy flux" program, or as we
    like to say in Burn The Fat, "eat more, burn more.")

    3) Use a conservative calorie deficit.

    You must have a calorie deficit to lose fat, but your best bet is to keep the
    deficit small. This helps you avoid triggering the starvation response, which
    includes the increased appetite and potential to binge that comes along with
    starvation diets. I recommend a 20% deficit below your maintenance calories
    (TDEE), a 30% deficit at most for those with high body fat.

    4) Refeed.

    Increase your calories (re-feed) for a full day periodically (once a week or so if
    you are heavy, twice a week if you are already lean), to restimulate metabolism.
    On the higher calorie day, take your calories to maintenance or even 10, 15, 20%
    above maintenance and add the extra calories in the form of carbs (carb cycling).
    The leaner you get, and the longer you've been on reduced calories, the more
    important the re-feeds will be. (You can learn more about this method in ch 12
    of Burn The Fat, Feed The Muscle @ www.BurnTheFat.com)

    5) Take periodic diet breaks.

    Take 1 week off your calorie restricted diet approximately every 12 weeks or so.
    During this period, take your calories back up to maintenance, but continue to
    eat healthy, "clean" foods. Alternately, go into a muscle building phase if increasing
    lean mass is one of your goals. This will bring metabolism and regulatory
    hormones back up to normal and keep lean body mass stable.

    There is much confusion about how your metabolism, hormones and appetite
    mechanisms are affected when you're dieting, so this was really one of the
    most important questions anyone could have asked.

    If this didn't REALLY click - then you may want to save this and read this again
    because misunderstanding this stuff leads more people to remain frustrated
    and stuck at plateaus than anything else I can think of.

    http://www.burnthefatblog.com/archives/2012/12/starvation-mode-revisited.php
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    The above explanation is solid and in agreement with Lyle's explanation. Good stuff.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    The above explanation is solid and in agreement with Lyle's explanation. Good stuff.

    Agreed - very good explanation
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    The above explanation is solid and in agreement with Lyle's explanation. Good stuff.

    Agreed - very good explanation

    Thirded. I hate that WW article, I've seen it a few times before. It talks in circles and contradicts itself.

    ETA: Actually, that's not the article I thought it was. It's an abbreviated version of the talks-in-circles one I was thinking of.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    Concur with all the above. Venuto's explanation is rock-solid.
  • squindles
    squindles Posts: 350 Member
    Somebody passed this onto me once when I was doing a TFR diet (which failed btw lol) http://fattyfightsback.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/mtyhbusters-starvation-mode.html