Protein and gas

sjohnny

i think you need more red meat...you need to make sure you get enough iron, for lifting the weights.

True. You lift what you eat.

doorki

I was just about to post this. I went from a very low protein vegetarian diet, to a very high protein vegetarian diet, to a moderate amount of protein vegan diet. It was the worst when I would consume 150g+ protein daily. My entire house smelled lol. Now I eat around 60-70g vegan protein and it's still pretty bad. I do IF and I thought that might be what's making it worse. Basically all of my protein is from protein powder that I put in my oatmeal. Idk what to do.

Well, cows (which are also vegan, I am in now way referring to someone as a cow) contribute large amounts of greenhouse gases with their flatus. Me thinks the vegans are stinky.

I think it's either the protein, IF, or a combination. Although it was worse when I was using whey protein because I'm mildly intolerant lol.

But cows do not eat protein, so there goes that theory. Perhaps plant fibers are more difficult to break down and generate a fair amount of bacterial output?

Cows eat protein.

Only those that will get mad cow.

chubby_checkers

Start taking raspberry ketones. They'll make your butt smell like fruit.

sjohnny

But cows do not eat protein, so there goes that theory. Perhaps plant fibers are more difficult to break down and generate a fair amount of bacterial output?

Cows eat protein.

Only those that will get mad cow.

When I had livestock the feed that I bought contained anywhere from 16 to 20% protein. A friend used to grow alfalfa and had it tested and it contained 18 to 22% protein. Plants contain protein just not as high a percentage as meat.

doorki

But cows do not eat protein, so there goes that theory. Perhaps plant fibers are more difficult to break down and generate a fair amount of bacterial output?

Cows eat protein.

Only those that will get mad cow.

When I had livestock the feed that I bought contained anywhere from 16 to 20% protein. A friend used to grow alfalfa and had it tested and it contained 18 to 22% protein. Plants contain protein just not as high a percentage as meat.

All literature that I have read states the contrary.

sjohnny

But cows do not eat protein, so there goes that theory. Perhaps plant fibers are more difficult to break down and generate a fair amount of bacterial output?

Cows eat protein.

Only those that will get mad cow.

When I had livestock the feed that I bought contained anywhere from 16 to 20% protein. A friend used to grow alfalfa and had it tested and it contained 18 to 22% protein. Plants contain protein just not as high a percentage as meat.

All literature that I have read states the contrary.

Could be that muscle weighs more than fat and that is where I'm getting confused.

iAMsmiling

But cows do not eat protein, so there goes that theory. Perhaps plant fibers are more difficult to break down and generate a fair amount of bacterial output?

Cows eat protein.

Only those that will get mad cow.

When I had livestock the feed that I bought contained anywhere from 16 to 20% protein. A friend used to grow alfalfa and had it tested and it contained 18 to 22% protein. Plants contain protein just not as high a percentage as meat.

All literature that I have read states the contrary.

All literature that you've read says there is no protein in plants? Really?
How to explain all the live vegans? Not to mention herbivores?

myofibril

SO how exactly should I get 360 g of protein and all this other stuff and stay under 2000 cals? I need 2g protein/lb of LBM in order to gain muscle but I don't want to get fat.

360g of protein from tuna or lean turkey breast will come in at about 1,600 calories.

That leaves 400 calories for other stuff which will preferably be fibrous / leafy vegetables, a little fruit , some good fats and not much else. In short you are going to have one boring *kitten* time of it food wise. Turkey & broccoli x 7...

In all honesty I think that much protein is unnecessary and your calories are way too low even if you are going for a clean bulk (your post implies that you have at least 180lbs of fat free mass) but if you want to go for it then good luck

PS: you may wish to consider some kind of EFA supplements like fish oil.

Firefox7275

Whoever told you you NEED that much protein and NEED that much of a deficit is clearly not qualified to degree level in nutrition or dietetics or is completely ignoring the published literature. A healthy metabolism/ energy production needs a wide range of nutrients including the ones that are classed as essential like vitamins, minerals and omega-3s. Foods like dairy and oily fish are associated with lower body fat, nuts are not associated with higher body fat despite their fat content.


Of course I don't want cancer or renal failure. That's a silly question. I am not dehydrated.....I drink a gallon of water per day. Can I ask you what degree you have in nutrition? I'm not saying your wrong but I have read something completely different. And it's been published literature. Can you point me to some legit peer reviewed studies that support your hypothesis? I take a multivitamin. That should cover most of the stuff you are talking about I would think.

My last degree was in lifestyle healthcare/ physical activity and I selected all the optional modules in nutrition and undertaken my own reading on dietetics for CPD and 'pleasure'. I don't propose to give you the full title nor show you a copy of my certificates, too identifying because I last studied close to where I live now. Up to you what you believe, I won't be offended if you don't, skepticism on forums is healthy IMO.

Water alone does not hydrate you, various nutrients help the body hold the water including carbs (1g glycogen = 3g water) and electrolytes. Links to abstracts of plenty of peer reviewed studies here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
I also highly recommend texts from Human Kinetics publishers, I have a mini library (total geek *blushes*). I'm not digging out studies to support everything I 'hypothesised' in those three sentences, that is a massive task and I don't have access to all the databases any more.

daj150

If you are body building or doing a lot of strength training, it is recommended (by doctors) that you can increase your daily protein intake to a maximum of 1.4–1.8 g per kg body weight to enhance muscle protein synthesis. The gas is just a side effect of how the protein is being broken down by your body. A well balanced diet will typically reduce the "impact" of the gas. Probiotics or digestive enzyme supplements can help with the break down of proteins. More specifically, probiotics are good at breaking down nutrients in the stomach and small intestine.

sjohnny

But cows do not eat protein, so there goes that theory. Perhaps plant fibers are more difficult to break down and generate a fair amount of bacterial output?

Cows eat protein.

Only those that will get mad cow.

When I had livestock the feed that I bought contained anywhere from 16 to 20% protein. A friend used to grow alfalfa and had it tested and it contained 18 to 22% protein. Plants contain protein just not as high a percentage as meat.

All literature that I have read states the contrary.

All literature that you've read says there is no protein in plants? Really?
How to explain all the live vegans? Not to mention herbivores?

Supplements.

plantboy2

Eat nuts and jump around in trees. You never see a fat squirrel

doorki

But cows do not eat protein, so there goes that theory. Perhaps plant fibers are more difficult to break down and generate a fair amount of bacterial output?

Cows eat protein.

Only those that will get mad cow.

When I had livestock the feed that I bought contained anywhere from 16 to 20% protein. A friend used to grow alfalfa and had it tested and it contained 18 to 22% protein. Plants contain protein just not as high a percentage as meat.

All literature that I have read states the contrary.

All literature that you've read says there is no protein in plants? Really?
How to explain all the live vegans? Not to mention herbivores?

Well, my mamma always used to write, "Hay is for horses and cows eat grass." She also used to write, "You are what you eat." Putting those two together, one must come to the conclusion that herbivores and vegans are, in fact, plants and, therefore, have a completely different physiological make up.

Zee48

Too much of any good thing is bad. Too much fiber does that to me but if I regulate it and stay within my limits I'm fine.

iAMsmiling

Eat nuts and jump around in trees. You never see a fat squirrel

Yea....

doorki

Eat nuts and jump around in trees. You never see a fat squirrel

iAMsmiling

But cows do not eat protein, so there goes that theory. Perhaps plant fibers are more difficult to break down and generate a fair amount of bacterial output?

Cows eat protein.

Only those that will get mad cow.

When I had livestock the feed that I bought contained anywhere from 16 to 20% protein. A friend used to grow alfalfa and had it tested and it contained 18 to 22% protein. Plants contain protein just not as high a percentage as meat.

All literature that I have read states the contrary.

All literature that you've read says there is no protein in plants? Really?
How to explain all the live vegans? Not to mention herbivores?

Well, my mamma always used to write, "Hay is for horses and cows eat grass." She also used to write, "You are what you eat." Putting those two together, one must come to the conclusion that herbivores and vegans are, in fact, plants and, therefore, have a completely different physiological make up.

I make it a point never to argue with anyone's mamma.
You win.

Jacwhite22

Eat nuts and jump around in trees. You never see a fat squirrel

I've also never seen a squirrel sitting at a desk job all day slaving away to provide for his family.

plantboy2

That one obviously has a gland problem

doorki

Eat nuts and jump around in trees. You never see a fat squirrel

I've also never seen a squirrel sitting at a desk job all day slaving away to provide for his family.

plantboy2

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HxER3_1BBQQ/S89A1TCdKaI/AAAAAAAAAvk/iF2a4IUHtqI/s1600/squirrel.jpg

Jacwhite22

Eat nuts and jump around in trees. You never see a fat squirrel

I've also never seen a squirrel sitting at a desk job all day slaving away to provide for his family.

I'm pretty sure that's a chipmunk and irrelevant to this discussion.

doorki

Eat nuts and jump around in trees. You never see a fat squirrel

I've also never seen a squirrel sitting at a desk job all day slaving away to provide for his family.

I'm pretty sure that's a chipmunk and irrelevant to this discussion.

Are you sure?

Jacwhite22

Whoever told you you NEED that much protein and NEED that much of a deficit is clearly not qualified to degree level in nutrition or dietetics or is completely ignoring the published literature. A healthy metabolism/ energy production needs a wide range of nutrients including the ones that are classed as essential like vitamins, minerals and omega-3s. Foods like dairy and oily fish are associated with lower body fat, nuts are not associated with higher body fat despite their fat content.


Of course I don't want cancer or renal failure. That's a silly question. I am not dehydrated.....I drink a gallon of water per day. Can I ask you what degree you have in nutrition? I'm not saying your wrong but I have read something completely different. And it's been published literature. Can you point me to some legit peer reviewed studies that support your hypothesis? I take a multivitamin. That should cover most of the stuff you are talking about I would think.

My last degree was in lifestyle healthcare/ physical activity and I selected all the optional modules in nutrition and undertaken my own reading on dietetics for CPD and 'pleasure'. I don't propose to give you the full title nor show you a copy of my certificates, too identifying because I last studied close to where I live now. Up to you what you believe, I won't be offended if you don't, skepticism on forums is healthy IMO.

Water alone does not hydrate you, various nutrients help the body hold the water including carbs (1g glycogen = 3g water) and electrolytes. Links to abstracts of plenty of peer reviewed studies here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed
I also highly recommend texts from Human Kinetics publishers, I have a mini library (total geek *blushes*). I'm not digging out studies to support everything I 'hypothesised' in those three sentences, that is a massive task and I don't have access to all the databases any more.

I have searched all through this "pubmed" and so far can not find any studies on diets without fruits/vegetables or anyone who was dehydrated after drinking 1gal water/day. Any key words you would suggest? Am I just missing it?