Which is more important: macros or calories?

Crankstr

Can i ask this question; say you eat 1000cals and meet the 1 pound of lbm of protein or above and do heavy strength training you will not lose muscle mass but mostly fat percentage? Assuming you have energy to still do resistance training

thats not how it works , u wont have near enough energy via calories to maintain your bodies lean muscle mass ... your resting metabolic rate alone uses more than 1000 calories. to answer the question u will lose both FAT AND MUSCLE

I understand the energy part but i asked because i recently read about Lyle Mcdonald body recomposition plan and saw before and after pictures and people losing body fat and testimonies, I dont think its a lifestyle but targeted to lose the stubborn fat if in a stall

its basically based on a 1000cal or lrss and adding fish oil supplement and caffeine and heavy lifting, lots of people who ahve tried it have lost the body fat and retained muscle and looked more "ripped" then before.......i wanted t find out if it is least possible

I have done the RFL(Rapid Fat Loss Plan) by lyle Mcdonald, it's pure crap. I was starving for 5 weeks, lost 8lbs in a week then stalled out for 4 months. I said "screw this" i had 2 cheat dsays to recover. I did recover well, i recovered up to 6lbs. I only lost 2lbs in 5 weeks. I mostly lost water and glycogen.

You were doing it wrong.

I was one out of a group of about 6 of the most experienced, educated people on MFP. We all got really crappy results.

Also, 6 people does not a good study make..were THEY even doing it right?


worked great for me when I did it.

Confuzzled4ever

if your goal is weight loss only then calories only matter..

If you want overall health watch the protien and fiber levels too. You'll want to at least double protein goals this site gives you and get your fiber intake into the 20s. If you do that it's mroe likely fat and sugar and salt will be low. which is what you want.

Depends what your goals are.. i'm all for overall health.. but i know not everyone is.

dinosnopro

Can i ask this question; say you eat 1000cals and meet the 1 pound of lbm of protein or above and do heavy strength training you will not lose muscle mass but mostly fat percentage? Assuming you have energy to still do resistance training

thats not how it works , u wont have near enough energy via calories to maintain your bodies lean muscle mass ... your resting metabolic rate alone uses more than 1000 calories. to answer the question u will lose both FAT AND MUSCLE

I understand the energy part but i asked because i recently read about Lyle Mcdonald body recomposition plan and saw before and after pictures and people losing body fat and testimonies, I dont think its a lifestyle but targeted to lose the stubborn fat if in a stall

its basically based on a 1000cal or lrss and adding fish oil supplement and caffeine and heavy lifting, lots of people who ahve tried it have lost the body fat and retained muscle and looked more "ripped" then before.......i wanted t find out if it is least possible

I have done the RFL(Rapid Fat Loss Plan) by lyle Mcdonald, it's pure crap. I was starving for 5 weeks, lost 8lbs in a week then stalled out for 4 months. I said "screw this" i had 2 cheat dsays to recover. I did recover well, i recovered up to 6lbs. I only lost 2lbs in 5 weeks. I mostly lost water and glycogen.

You were doing it wrong.

I was one out of a group of about 6 of the most experienced, educated people on MFP. We all got really crappy results.

That's quite an assertion for someone who is still losing weight. I suppose its possible but to challenge Lyle and then claim this while having "50 pounds to go", I gotta think that's one heck of an ego you got there.

Hmmm okay ...

in one book he wrote forgot which one. He said to lose weight multiply your weight(body weight) by a number 10-15. In another an article he said multiply your weight by 12-16 to lose weight.

IF you read RFL closely, you have to take a break after the cycle. So lets say you're over weight and take 2 months after a cycle.
The results are the same(assuming you get some with RFL) if you lose wait consistently or do it his way.

For example if I lose 15lbs in a month doing RFL I would have to take a 2 month break. That's 3 months total to lose 15lbs. I could just lose 1-2lbs a week and get the same results.

Another one, he wrote an entire article how you can't build muscle and lose fat at the same time. In his lecture of "Applied Nutrition For Mixed sports" He says "you can add muscle and lose fat at the same time, I wrote a book on it. It's called Ultimate Diet 2.0"

I guess you missed the 138lbs I lost. Your body is a reflection of how much you know. That sounds like the statement you're saying. Since lyle Mcdonald is a skinny little guy that means he knows nothing?

The length of time you are on ( cat 1 vs cat 2 ect. ) RFL determines the breaks during and after you come off ( so your body can adjust )

Your numbers here are a bit off if I remember correct ( I don't have the book in front of me )

I did a cat 2 and a cat 1 and had great results, but I followed it to a "t".

Crankstr

Can i ask this question; say you eat 1000cals and meet the 1 pound of lbm of protein or above and do heavy strength training you will not lose muscle mass but mostly fat percentage? Assuming you have energy to still do resistance training

thats not how it works , u wont have near enough energy via calories to maintain your bodies lean muscle mass ... your resting metabolic rate alone uses more than 1000 calories. to answer the question u will lose both FAT AND MUSCLE

I understand the energy part but i asked because i recently read about Lyle Mcdonald body recomposition plan and saw before and after pictures and people losing body fat and testimonies, I dont think its a lifestyle but targeted to lose the stubborn fat if in a stall

its basically based on a 1000cal or lrss and adding fish oil supplement and caffeine and heavy lifting, lots of people who ahve tried it have lost the body fat and retained muscle and looked more "ripped" then before.......i wanted t find out if it is least possible

I have done the RFL(Rapid Fat Loss Plan) by lyle Mcdonald, it's pure crap. I was starving for 5 weeks, lost 8lbs in a week then stalled out for 4 months. I said "screw this" i had 2 cheat dsays to recover. I did recover well, i recovered up to 6lbs. I only lost 2lbs in 5 weeks. I mostly lost water and glycogen.

You were doing it wrong.

I was one out of a group of about 6 of the most experienced, educated people on MFP. We all got really crappy results.

Also, 6 people does not really make a good study...were THEY even doing it right?


worked great for me when I did it.

Yes we did it right. Have you ever done it?

um, i just said i did, lol

wolverine66

macro-ni and cheese is important

elprincipito

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Crankstr

Calories.

Calories cause you to gain or lose weight. I don't even pay attention to my macros anymore, I came to the conclusion it's pretty pointless. I tracked them for over a year, not necessary.

no.

Jacwhite22

No i said 5 "weeks" not 5 "months".

To be fair:
"I was starving for 5 weeks, lost 8lbs in a week then stalled out for 4 months"

4 months + 5 weeks = 5 months (+ a week)

Crankstr

Calories.

Calories cause you to gain or lose weight. I don't even pay attention to my macros anymore, I came to the conclusion it's pretty pointless. I tracked them for over a year, not necessary.

no.

Are you speaking from experience or just stuff you read?

please...does it look like I have accomplished nothing?

You decide it doesnt matter, and tell everyone else that. Thats where i think you are wrong.

sunsnstatheart

In order of importance...

1) Achieving calorie goal (this will dictate weight gained or lost)
2) Maintaining sufficiently high protein intake (this will do most of what's possible on the dietary side to insure that "weight loss" is actually "fat loss" and not "muscle and fat loss")
3) Eating a balance of carbs/fat that leaves you satiated (feeling full, not wanting). This can be fairly individual, and spans everything from low carb to low fat.

Assuming those 3 are in place, just make sure you're lifting weights (goes with #2 above to make your weight loss fat loss, avoiding muscle loss) and doing as much cardio as you need/want for your general health and perhaps for a bit extra calories burned.

So, to answer your question, if you're already exercising and eating enough protein, it's really about your total calorie intake, so don't sweat the small stuff (i.e. going over in fat or carbs - it's the total calories dictating the direction you're moving).

OP: As has been said above by people smarter than I, focus on this. Oh, and have a great day! I'm out of here to the pool and to enjoy some sun.

Sarauk2sf

In order of importance...

1) Achieving calorie goal (this will dictate weight gained or lost)
2) Maintaining sufficiently high protein intake (this will do most of what's possible on the dietary side to insure that "weight loss" is actually "fat loss" and not "muscle and fat loss")
3) Eating a balance of carbs/fat that leaves you satiated (feeling full, not wanting). This can be fairly individual, and spans everything from low carb to low fat.

Assuming those 3 are in place, just make sure you're lifting weights (goes with #2 above to make your weight loss fat loss, avoiding muscle loss) and doing as much cardio as you need/want for your general health and perhaps for a bit extra calories burned.

So, to answer your question, if you're already exercising and eating enough protein, it's really about your total calorie intake, so don't sweat the small stuff (i.e. going over in fat or carbs - it's the total calories dictating the direction you're moving).

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mad00had00

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