Sodium- come on people, scare me!
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If you can, listen to this programme on the BBC i-player - Inside medicine broadcast on 16 th January. It is about the most extensive study of salt (sodium) yet achieved and their observations. It has taken into account nearly every other piece of research on salt and even names who the sponsors of the previous experiments that give favourable results to not control salt usage - especially in food production. Bit like the tobacco and alcohol industry publishing glowing reports on their vested interests.
remember, on the whole experiments conclude with observations and then they ask if other people will run the experiment (peer review) in order to confirm the findings. Papers are just that untill they are peer reviewed and accepted as "such as we know at this time, then this is the gold standard"0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/medmatters - links to the podcasts0
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BOOOOOOOOO! Yu get scared lol. If you have to much sodium beside cholestrol you will retain more water which will probably dissapoint you on the scale.
I have found this to be true. I have realized just how much sodium I have been eating and now I am trying to watch it.0 -
Is there any danger of not consuming enough sodium? What level would that be?
Your body needs sodium. Not everyone with low sodium has a disorder as one poster commented. I for one have spent my whole adult life buying low sodium options for most of my food, and I don't like to add salt to my food. After having routine bloodwork done a couple of years ago my doctor said I needed to eat more salt. She told me that I need more especially if I'm going to be working out and sweating.0 -
Except they are just bloggers and newspaper articles repeating what they've heard. Where are the studies to back up the claims being made?
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Bump.
I too like salt. Not sure how you can cook delicious foods without it.0 -
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I too like salt. Not sure how you can cook delicious foods without it.
Preparing your own food and adding salt is very unlikely to cause problems. It is the food industry and their need to make crap palatable that is the problem. Listen to the podcast I linked to about 5 posts previous.0 -
Bump! Sodium is my enemy0
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bahahahahahaa How did you do that!!!?0 -
Be scared... be very scared...
I cut my sodium WAY down once I realized how much I was consuming. The culprit, deli sandwiches. A Subway sandwich contains around 1,200mg of sodium. SHESH! I try for 1,500-2,000mg a day.0 -
Is there any danger of not consuming enough sodium? What level would that be?
Yes, if you have low blood pressure (like me) or other issues causing you not to retain salt properly, cutting out salt can be a real issue. If you are drinking a lot of water or sweating a lot, you should probably up things from the RDA to account for salt loss.
Salt is not bad in and of itself, it is essential to proper body functioning. If you aren't eating prepared foods, sugary drinks, or processed items, you probably don't need to worry about sodium. Not having enough sodium can cause dizziness, low blood pressure, digestive issues and more.
I have to talk far more than the RDA of salt every day in order to keep from being dizzy and to keep functioning properly. I think the mantra of "sodium is bad" is misleading for people eating a healthy diet.0 -
When it comes to sodium levels, everyone is different.
Some people have to worry about blood pressure.
Other people(like me) have to worry about kidney stones.
Many people here, try to keep it low to avoid bloating.0 -
Here's information on why salt is essential and what happens if you don't have enough salt:
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/minerals/sodium/0 -
You really should be concerned.
In Nov of 2010, I had a small stroke due to high blood pressure at the age of 49! Luckily, I recovered except for some numbness by my left ear.
I always dumped a ton of salt on my food, even already salted food, because I thought, wellll I have no reason not too, I don't have high blood pressure, I loved the taste, blah blah blah. I also thought that it would never happen to me..Well now I'm older and have horrible high blood pressure. At one point it was 190/109. I am on meds but was able to drop one after losing 40lbs. I'm still maxed out on one and will probably have to take it for life. I HATE that I have to take pills and should be happy that it is controlled with them but I wish I could go back..
Since then, I still go over on sodium at times but I cut wayyy back and now I think that most everything is wayyyy too salty. Your taste buds get used to it so you keep pouring it on. The only way to reduce it in your diet is to prepare nearly all of your food. Prepared, canned, fast food and some frozen foods have a ton of sodium added to them. Our country is addicted to salt!
I'll also add that my Dr. told me that my HBP was probably from my years of too much salt and heredity, although no one else in my family has HBP. Excessive sodium strains your kidneys and damages the walls of your blood vessels. Once they are damaged, there is no way to repair them. The meds I take are to relax the arteries and to lower my heartrate so the pressure in my vascular system is lessened.
The amount of sodium one should not exceed daily is now 1500mgs.
If I could only go back.. waaaaaaaaa
Dump your salt shaker (not on your food!), prepare your own food with other flavors & without salt, order food at restaurants without it, rinse canned vegetables with water before using. I've found that most foods actually taste better on their own.0 -
It is so easy to go over on sodium. I hate table salt and prefer everything cooked without salt, and I STILL manage to eat 2500 grams of sodium a day. It is absolutely ridiculous especially considering I eat pretty healthy. I do love soup though so that's my weakness, and soup has tons of sodium.0
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Never track a single gram of sodium and have lost 311 lbs. I drink 125 oz. of water a day and have perfect blood pressure...... Best of Luck.....0
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I don't want to freak you out too much, but I probably average 6000 mg of sodium per day, I'm 83 lbs overweight, and I consistently come in at 100/70 BP.
In other words, all the hullabaloo about sodium is WAY overdone for a lot of people. Salt is delicious and you NEED it, so unless your doctor says to stay away, be free.0 -
I joined a research study in 2008 that looked at the effects of cutting sodium intake... i started at over 8000mg a day.... i cut it to 2000mg a day and lost 40 lbs.... when the research study was over I threw everything I had learned out the window went back to eating out a lot, eating processed foods etc... gained all the weight back and more and my rare migraines started happening every month or two...
since December I've gone back to really focusing on my sodium intake which has also cut my calories big time (clean food tends to be lower cal) and I've dropped a little over 10 lbs in a month and have not had a migraine fully onset....
its probably a bigger thing than we think0 -
I don't want to freak you out too much, but I probably average 6000 mg of sodium per day, I'm 83 lbs overweight, and I consistently come in at 100/70 BP.
In other words, all the hullabaloo about sodium is WAY overdone for a lot of people. Salt is delicious and you NEED it, so unless your doctor says to stay away, be free.
Dang! Wish I had YOUR genetics! I love salt (as a kid, sometimes I'd just eat salt plain) but really have to watch my sodium levels. As much as I like salt, I like not having a stroke even more.
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So you're saying that the 6000mg of sodium you cut back a day contained 140,000 calories? I mean to lose 40lbs of fat, that's the calculation. Or did food calories have something to do with it?I joined a research study in 2008 that looked at the effects of cutting sodium intake... i started at over 8000mg a day.... i cut it to 2000mg a day and lost 40 lbs.... when the research study was over I threw everything I had learned out the window went back to eating out a lot, eating processed foods etc... gained all the weight back and more and my rare migraines started happening every month or two...
since December I've gone back to really focusing on my sodium intake which has also cut my calories big time (clean food tends to be lower cal) and I've dropped a little over 10 lbs in a month and have not had a migraine fully onset....
its probably a bigger thing than we think
You're correlating high sodium with high calories (which is somewhat true), but in reality you could eat high sodium and low calorie foods and still achieve the same results. Go to Asia and they'll prove it to you.
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If you can, listen to this programme on the BBC i-player - Inside medicine broadcast on 16 th January. It is about the most extensive study of salt (sodium) yet achieved and their observations. It has taken into account nearly every other piece of research on salt and even names who the sponsors of the previous experiments that give favourable results to not control salt usage - especially in food production. Bit like the tobacco and alcohol industry publishing glowing reports on their vested interests.
remember, on the whole experiments conclude with observations and then they ask if other people will run the experiment (peer review) in order to confirm the findings. Papers are just that untill they are peer reviewed and accepted as "such as we know at this time, then this is the gold standard"
Everybody has an agenda.
Companies that use salt like studies that show salt is not dangerous.
Companies that make drugs like studies that show salt is dangerous and you need their drugs.
Scientists like studies that get them funding. "OMG u'r gonna die!" type of studies are a great way to get attention & funding for future studies.0 -
The BBC has a vested interest in scaring people, that's how the media makes a living. So the BBC's report is as "suspect" as anyone else with a motive. I mean, seriously, the guest they had on was described by the host as, "he regards salt as a toxin."If you can, listen to this programme on the BBC i-player - Inside medicine broadcast on 16 th January. It is about the most extensive study of salt (sodium) yet achieved and their observations. It has taken into account nearly every other piece of research on salt and even names who the sponsors of the previous experiments that give favourable results to not control salt usage - especially in food production. Bit like the tobacco and alcohol industry publishing glowing reports on their vested interests.
remember, on the whole experiments conclude with observations and then they ask if other people will run the experiment (peer review) in order to confirm the findings. Papers are just that untill they are peer reviewed and accepted as "such as we know at this time, then this is the gold standard"
These guys are also talking about results that occurred when salt was reduced from 16 grams a day. They keep talking about salt reduction but they don't say to within what range or discuss whether there is a linear relationship, which there can't be because obviously the 'ideal' amount of dietary salt is not zero nor is it infinite.
They don't discuss how much that range varies between individuals based on genetic makeup and activity levels. Like if I sweat a LOT and dump lots of salt out through my sweat, it's a pretty good bet I'm going to have a higher need for it than I otherwise would. Their mentality is one size fits all.0 -
Well, it will slow down the weight loss, But my Dr. told me to drink at least 1/2 my body weight in water, Water will flush the sodium out
Half your body weight in water...... everyday? Every week? Half of your body weight in water for a 180 pound person would be 11.25 GALLONS of water a day....0 -
Well, it will slow down the weight loss, But my Dr. told me to drink at least 1/2 my body weight in water, Water will flush the sodium out
Half your body weight in water...... everyday? Every week? Half of your body weight in water for a 180 pound person would be 11.25 GALLONS of water a day....
Pretty sure that was meant to be in Ounces of water... I follow this method and have for the last couple years. I weigh 250 lbs. so half that is 125 oz. of water a day. Pretty much drink 4 of my 32 oz. gatorade bottles a day (have 4 in the fridge and normally there is 4 on the counter before bed, then fill them up put them back in the fridge and rise and repeat.... lol) Best of Luck0 -
For "normal" people it can raise your blood pressure and many other scary things. It's also important to make sure you're keeping up with your potassium, because they go hand and hand as far as making sure your heart works properly. Your sodium and potassium levels are sort of like a scale...as one goes up the other goes down. I have Addison's Disease and part of that is that my body "salt wastes". I can't maintain a sodium level without medication so I have to eat more salt then normal people, which sometimes causes people to look at my funny! (my husband says that I salt my salt).
Anywho, as long as you're a generally healthy person, it's good to keep an eye on your sodium intake... Best of luck!0 -
I believe they meant in oz of water per day.Well, it will slow down the weight loss, But my Dr. told me to drink at least 1/2 my body weight in water, Water will flush the sodium out
Half your body weight in water...... everyday? Every week? Half of your body weight in water for a 180 pound person would be 11.25 GALLONS of water a day....
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The BBC has a vested interest in scaring people, that's how the media makes a living. So the BBC's report is as "suspect" as anyone else with a motive. I mean, seriously, the guest they had on was described by the host as, "he regards salt as a toxin."If you can, listen to this programme on the BBC i-player - Inside medicine broadcast on 16 th January. It is about the most extensive study of salt (sodium) yet achieved and their observations. It has taken into account nearly every other piece of research on salt and even names who the sponsors of the previous experiments that give favourable results to not control salt usage - especially in food production. Bit like the tobacco and alcohol industry publishing glowing reports on their vested interests.
remember, on the whole experiments conclude with observations and then they ask if other people will run the experiment (peer review) in order to confirm the findings. Papers are just that untill they are peer reviewed and accepted as "such as we know at this time, then this is the gold standard"
These guys are also talking about results that occurred when salt was reduced from 16 grams a day. They keep talking about salt reduction but they don't say to within what range or discuss whether there is a linear relationship, which there can't be because obviously the 'ideal' amount of dietary salt is not zero nor is it infinite.
They don't discuss how much that range varies between individuals based on genetic makeup and activity levels. Like if I sweat a LOT and dump lots of salt out through my sweat, it's a pretty good bet I'm going to have a higher need for it than I otherwise would. Their mentality is one size fits all.
Nice of you to dismiss the professor as "regarding salt as a toxin", care to actually name the study that he was discussing and the names of his American colleagues and what the study actually was. And yes, he regards "salt as used by the food industry" as toxic levels.
As for the BBC, you seem to miss the point of "Inside Medicine", it is a science programme where at least people of similar intellect discuss the science. As for the BBC being a media company and having to make a living, that is not the case and they are reviewed by Parliament and the People and are not allowed to sensationalise. You view this as a "suspect" report, it was not a report it was a discussion of a major long-term study into salt. By all accounts the most factual.
As for your other points, yes - it is not one size fits all. But that is liek arguing that alcohol and cigarettes only badly effect certain people and other people can drink and smoke and it not be detrimental to their health.
It would be fair to assuem that people taking part in ultramarathons are the people who woudl most understand their bodies and have a vested interest in peak performance but they of any notable group are the ones who end up with hyponatremia because of high hydration and low salt. So, one size fits all - no. Food industries taking the absolute piss with their backhanded processing and reporting of salt usage - yes salt is being inserted into diets at toxic levels and you should tell people who have appaling processed diets the facts.
Salt bad, not per se.
Too much salt and not enough hydration - bad
Too much hydration and not enough salt - very bad
Way too much salt and you may as well smoke and do drugs as well. Stroke, embolism, MGM to name only a few
Perhaps it woul dbe easier to understand the process of salt and water and how they actually aid red and white cells in the body. Go to the molecular level. Easier to understand then the importance of balance.0 -
I'm sure there are a million reasons its unhealthy - but for me - I limit it for 2 reasons.
To help my high blood pressure & to keep me from retaining water and feeling fat.
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