Guys VS Girls

ThatOrganicMom

I have a large family and we are going to have a fitness competition. No one really needs to lose much weight but we all would like to improve our stamina, endurance and muscle tone. How can we fairly measure our competition? I mean obviously guys gain muscle faster and they are all starting out "leaner" as far as BMI or Body Fat it doesn't seem like a fair comparison... we could measure fastest mile or other endurance type things. My son can already do about 15 chin ups at age 15 and us girls can't do any... so that doesn't seem a fair challenge either.... any ideas?????:huh:

meshashesha2012

easy, base it on percentage of change.

you can still train for the same things just base the competition on the amount of positive improvement have been made

upgetupgetup

easy, base it on percentage of change

dunno, rates - even on a %age basis - will differ for same biol reasons, have to weight or handicap somehow

meshashesha2012

easy, base it on percentage of change

dunno, rates will differ for same biol reasons, have to weight or handicap somehow

not really.

if say they have 1 section of the competition be based on speed endurance, they can use the mile run as the challenge.

so people time themselves at the start of the challenge. then at the end time themselves again

same thing for strength use stuff like # of pushups, deadlift amount, pullup amount (people who can't do unassisted pullup might need to use bands)

ValerieMomof2

easy, base it on percentage of change

dunno, rates will differ for same biol reasons, have to weight or handicap somehow

not really.

if say they have 1 section of the competition be based on speed endurance, they can use the mile run as the challenge.

so people time themselves at the start of the challenge. then at the end time themselves again

same thing for strength use stuff like # of pushups, deadlift amount, pullup amount (people who can't do unassisted pullup might need to use bands)

I agree with this. There may seem to be an advantage, but do a pre test of activities chosen, then post test and do the % changed. Total up the total % each person has and have your winner

meshashesha2012

easy, base it on percentage of change

dunno, rates will differ for same biol reasons, have to weight or handicap somehow

not really.

if say they have 1 section of the competition be based on speed endurance, they can use the mile run as the challenge.

so people time themselves at the start of the challenge. then at the end time themselves again

same thing for strength use stuff like # of pushups, deadlift amount, pullup amount (people who can't do unassisted pullup might need to use bands)

I agree with this. There may seem to be an advantage, but do a pre test of activities chosen, then post test and do the % changed. Total up the total % each person has and have your winner

and honestly speaking if some of the tests were based on strength, it would be very easy for many women to win this since guys tend to overestimate their strength and women tend to underestimate. so if he thinks starts off with a 200 pound deadlift and ends with a 250 deadlift while she starts at 50 but ends at 150, she'd win since she'd have a bigger percentage of improvement

upgetupgetup

Hmm, maybe you're right, if training's totally, totally equal.

Looks like there was room for improvement here for women until 1982, when things 'stabilized':

http://www.jssm.org/vol9/n2/8/v9n2-8text.php


KEY POINTS
Sex is a major factor influencing best performances and world records.
A stabilization of the gender gap in world records is observed after 1983, at a mean difference of 10.0% ± 2.94 between men and women for all events.
The gender gap ranges from 5.5% (800-m freestyle, swimming) to 36.8% (weight lifting).
The top ten performers' analysis reveals a similar gender gap trend with a stabilization in 1982 at 11.7%. < meaning, improved training improved results, I guess
...

upgetupgetup

easy, base it on percentage of change

dunno, rates will differ for same biol reasons, have to weight or handicap somehow

not really.

if say they have 1 section of the competition be based on speed endurance, they can use the mile run as the challenge.

so people time themselves at the start of the challenge. then at the end time themselves again

same thing for strength use stuff like # of pushups, deadlift amount, pullup amount (people who can't do unassisted pullup might need to use bands)

I agree with this. There may seem to be an advantage, but do a pre test of activities chosen, then post test and do the % changed. Total up the total % each person has and have your winner

and honestly speaking if some of the tests were based on strength, it would be very easy for many women to win this since guys tend to overestimate their strength and women tend to underestimate. so if he thinks starts off with a 200 pound deadlift and ends with a 250 deadlift while she starts at 50 but ends at 150, she'd win since she'd have a bigger percentage of improvement

But that's loaded too, as the 50 is probably low to begin with, so there's an artificially inflated rate of improvement

upgetupgetup

unless they do a PR max test to start, & take it seriously

meshashesha2012

Hmm, maybe you're right, if training's totally, totally equal.

Looks like there was room for improvement here for women until 1982, when things 'stabilized':

http://www.jssm.org/vol9/n2/8/v9n2-8text.php


KEY POINTS
Sex is a major factor influencing best performances and world records.
A stabilization of the gender gap in world records is observed after 1983, at a mean difference of 10.0% ± 2.94 between men and women for all events.
The gender gap ranges from 5.5% (800-m freestyle, swimming) to 36.8% (weight lifting).
The top ten performers' analysis reveals a similar gender gap trend with a stabilization in 1982 at 11.7%. < meaning, improved training improved results, I guess
...

interesting.

OP i want you and your family to have your competition. i'd be interested in seeing results :laugh: (yay for human guinea pigs!)
plus since you're all related it's safe to assume you're all working with the same genetic material.
plus it sounds like it could be fun :happy:

cordianet

Um, why not have a male AND a female champion? I think no mater what you do there will be gender differences that will make someone call foul.

meshashesha2012

easy, base it on percentage of change

dunno, rates will differ for same biol reasons, have to weight or handicap somehow

not really.

if say they have 1 section of the competition be based on speed endurance, they can use the mile run as the challenge.

so people time themselves at the start of the challenge. then at the end time themselves again

same thing for strength use stuff like # of pushups, deadlift amount, pullup amount (people who can't do unassisted pullup might need to use bands)

I agree with this. There may seem to be an advantage, but do a pre test of activities chosen, then post test and do the % changed. Total up the total % each person has and have your winner

and honestly speaking if some of the tests were based on strength, it would be very easy for many women to win this since guys tend to overestimate their strength and women tend to underestimate. so if he thinks starts off with a 200 pound deadlift and ends with a 250 deadlift while she starts at 50 but ends at 150, she'd win since she'd have a bigger percentage of improvement

But that's loaded too, as the 50 is probably low to begin with, so there's an artificially inflated rate of improvement

so maybe anything involving additional weight should be out?

all body weight stuff like push ups, pull ups, jumping squats, etc

upgetupgetup

Yeah, maybe something like that. Could use military benchmarks, no?