Not all calories are created equal??
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two twins (genetically identical) people eating identical amounts of calories, but one eats nothing but processed "bad" foods and another eats only raw whole foods.
do you think they'll look different? do you think their vitals will be different?
No. They will not look different. No, their vitals will not be different either.
Nice try tho
Well, perhaps they would look similar, but the vitals, if we are only considering BP, Temp and pulse would differ at least due to the salt content. Maybe not for you spring chickens, but for me who is a bit older, what I eat dramatically affects my blood pressure. If we consider cholesterol, then you will see even more differences. This is not a theory, I have the lab work that proves it to me, which is why I try to eat as healthy as I can. Progress, not perfection!
Excellent point.
Which then begs the question, what vitals did the original "asker" of that question mean? If you mean basic vitals--blood pressure, temperature, pulse, etc. it can certainly be affected by what you eat. Blood pressure, specifically, can be greatly affected by what you eat. Maybe not on that one specific day, but over time, your BP will change based on what you eat.
And if we're talking LABS?? I can't imagine anyone actually insisting that blood labs would be the same between someone eating a highly processed, high-starch, high trans-fat diet, would be the same as someone eating mainly fruits veggies, complex carbs, and clean protein. Cholesterol, blood glucose, iron levels, vitamin D levels, RBC, hematocrit, etc. Not to mention urine! Proteinuria, glucouria, acidity, specific gravity... these are all affected by WHAT you eat, not HOW MUCH you eat. So you cannot possibly believe that those twins would be in exactly the same health.0 -
First off...what works for me may not work for you.
I like to keep things simple. I'm not concerned about ANYTHING but net calories for the week. I don't care how much carbohydrate, sugar, fat, or salt food has.....JUST CALORIES. It's a simple mathematical formula. If you burn more than you take in...YOU'LL LOSE WEIGHT. That way I can eat ANYTHING I want.
Next....this is a SLOW LOSS PLAN. One MUST be patient. If you go by MFP's recommendation one pound/week loss is EXCELLENT!
Just keep thinking that a year from now you'll weigh 52 POUNDS LESS!!!! You didn't gain all the weight overnight....you shouldn't try to lose it all overnight.
Good luck!0 -
two twins (genetically identical) people eating identical amounts of calories, but one eats nothing but processed "bad" foods and another eats only raw whole foods.
do you think they'll look different? do you think their vitals will be different?
No. They will not look different. No, their vitals will not be different either.
Nice try tho
Well, perhaps they would look similar, but the vitals, if we are only considering BP, Temp and pulse would differ at least due to the salt content. Maybe not for you spring chickens, but for me who is a bit older, what I eat dramatically affects my blood pressure. If we consider cholesterol, then you will see even more differences. This is not a theory, I have the lab work that proves it to me, which is why I try to eat as healthy as I can. Progress, not perfection!
i guess the premise isn't all that laughable after all. you're a perfect example of my point. thanks.
regardless... someone really needs to do this study. it would really end a whole lot of internet arguments. lol0 -
two twins (genetically identical) people eating identical amounts of calories, but one eats nothing but processed "bad" foods and another eats only raw whole foods.
do you think they'll look different? do you think their vitals will be different?
No. They will not look different. No, their vitals will not be different either.
Nice try tho
Well, perhaps they would look similar, but the vitals, if we are only considering BP, Temp and pulse would differ at least due to the salt content. Maybe not for you spring chickens, but for me who is a bit older, what I eat dramatically affects my blood pressure. If we consider cholesterol, then you will see even more differences. This is not a theory, I have the lab work that proves it to me, which is why I try to eat as healthy as I can. Progress, not perfection!
i guess the premise isn't all that laughable after all. you're a perfect example of my point. thanks.
regardless... someone really needs to do this study. it would really end a whole lot of internet arguments. lol
Most of them started by you posing idiotic premises.0 -
two twins (genetically identical) people eating identical amounts of calories, but one eats nothing but processed "bad" foods and another eats only raw whole foods.
do you think they'll look different? do you think their vitals will be different?
No. They will not look different. No, their vitals will not be different either.
Nice try tho
Well, perhaps they would look similar, but the vitals, if we are only considering BP, Temp and pulse would differ at least due to the salt content. Maybe not for you spring chickens, but for me who is a bit older, what I eat dramatically affects my blood pressure. If we consider cholesterol, then you will see even more differences. This is not a theory, I have the lab work that proves it to me, which is why I try to eat as healthy as I can. Progress, not perfection!
i guess the premise isn't all that laughable after all. you're a perfect example of my point. thanks.
regardless... someone really needs to do this study. it would really end a whole lot of internet arguments. lol
Most of them started by you posing idiotic premises.
lol just because you view something as idiotic does not make it so. the poster I quoted has had the very experience I mentioned.0 -
two twins (genetically identical) people eating identical amounts of calories, but one eats nothing but processed "bad" foods and another eats only raw whole foods.
do you think they'll look different? do you think their vitals will be different?
No. They will not look different. No, their vitals will not be different either.
Nice try tho
Well, perhaps they would look similar, but the vitals, if we are only considering BP, Temp and pulse would differ at least due to the salt content. Maybe not for you spring chickens, but for me who is a bit older, what I eat dramatically affects my blood pressure. If we consider cholesterol, then you will see even more differences. This is not a theory, I have the lab work that proves it to me, which is why I try to eat as healthy as I can. Progress, not perfection!
i guess the premise isn't all that laughable after all. you're a perfect example of my point. thanks.
regardless... someone really needs to do this study. it would really end a whole lot of internet arguments. lol
Most of them started by you posing idiotic premises.
lol just because you view something as idiotic does not make it so. the poster I quoted has had the very experience I mentioned.
So, out of 3 billion people in the world, you have a couple that agree with you? That sure makes it legit.0 -
two twins (genetically identical) people eating identical amounts of calories, but one eats nothing but processed "bad" foods and another eats only raw whole foods.
do you think they'll look different? do you think their vitals will be different?
No. They will not look different. No, their vitals will not be different either.
Nice try tho
Well, perhaps they would look similar, but the vitals, if we are only considering BP, Temp and pulse would differ at least due to the salt content. Maybe not for you spring chickens, but for me who is a bit older, what I eat dramatically affects my blood pressure. If we consider cholesterol, then you will see even more differences. This is not a theory, I have the lab work that proves it to me, which is why I try to eat as healthy as I can. Progress, not perfection!
i guess the premise isn't all that laughable after all. you're a perfect example of my point. thanks.
regardless... someone really needs to do this study. it would really end a whole lot of internet arguments. lol
Most of them started by you posing idiotic premises.
lol just because you view something as idiotic does not make it so. the poster I quoted has had the very experience I mentioned.
So, out of 3 billion people in the world, you have a couple that agree with you? That sure makes it legit.
there are 7 billion people in the world.0 -
there are 7 billion people in the world.
CoachReddy, I haven't seen a single thread with your involvement that hasn't devolved into a bitter argument.0 -
I would really love for that not to be the case - I would - but mmapags began with calling my premise idiotic and laugable without adding anything of value to the conversation, even though the post led to an interesting discussion. So remind me - who was it that began the name calling and the "argument" here?there are 7 billion people in the world.
CoachReddy, I haven't seen a single thread with your involvement that hasn't devolved into a bitter argument.0 -
I would really love for that not to be the case - I would - but mmapags began with calling my premise idiotic and laugable without adding anything of value to the conversation, even though the post led to an interesting discussion. So remind me - who was it that began the name calling and the "argument" here?
Yay, now we'll argue about arguing. I didn't state it was because of your actions.0 -
I would really love for that not to be the case - I would - but mmapags began with calling my premise idiotic and laugable without adding anything of value to the conversation, even though the post led to an interesting discussion. So remind me - who was it that began the name calling and the "argument" here?
Yay, now we'll argue about arguing. I didn't state it was because of your actions.
haha fair enough. I'm just not sure why I'm the one who gets called out when the same repeat offenders consistently attack my posts because they disagree with them. why don't they just let me say my piece, and they can say theirs? the commentary is what's unnecessary. We're all welcome to believe whatever we want to about food, nutrition and health, but we don't need to go around calling other peoples' views idiotic just because we disagree. fair?
in my view, a calorie =/= a calorie, but in mmapags and others' views, a calorie does equal a calorie. and I'm fine with that. let people hear both sides and choose what they want to believe.
would love to get back on topic here sans petty arguments.0 -
It is true. Not all calories are created equal. Calories consumed from nutrient-dense foods are far better than the calories from energy-dense (and therefore nutrient-poor) foods.0
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two twins (genetically identical) people eating identical amounts of calories, but one eats nothing but processed "bad" foods and another eats only raw whole foods.
do you think they'll look different? do you think their vitals will be different?
No. They will not look different. No, their vitals will not be different either.
Nice try tho
Well, perhaps they would look similar, but the vitals, if we are only considering BP, Temp and pulse would differ at least due to the salt content. Maybe not for you spring chickens, but for me who is a bit older, what I eat dramatically affects my blood pressure. If we consider cholesterol, then you will see even more differences. This is not a theory, I have the lab work that proves it to me, which is why I try to eat as healthy as I can. Progress, not perfection!
I also have two sets of lab work. The workup that was done after my diet switched to almost entirely fast food (divorce) is markedly better than the one where I ate home cooking. Why are the Labs better? Because I lost weight.
And is there someone somewhere advocating that someone consume 2000 cals of koolaid? Most of these arguments exist in fantasyland. No one is eating all organically raised protein and no one is eating all potato chips.0 -
I also have two sets of lab work. The workup that was done after my diet switched to almost entirely fast food (divorce) is markedly better than the one where I ate home cooking. Why are the Labs better? Because I lost weight.
And is there someone somewhere advocating that someone consume 2000 cals of koolaid? Most of these arguments exist in fantasyland. No one is eating all organically raised protein and no one is eating all potato chips.
^ All of this, entirely. And the part about losing weight has been demonstrated before. Going from obese to not obese will generally show a great improvement on health markers.0 -
I would really love for that not to be the case - I would - but mmapags began with calling my premise idiotic and laugable without adding anything of value to the conversation, even though the post led to an interesting discussion. So remind me - who was it that began the name calling and the "argument" here?there are 7 billion people in the world.
CoachReddy, I haven't seen a single thread with your involvement that hasn't devolved into a bitter argument.
Saying your false statements were idiotic added tremendous value to the discussion. It's true and cut right to the point. Time is money. I wish pags post was the first response in the thread so we could have ended it right there0 -
I would really love for that not to be the case - I would - but mmapags began with calling my premise idiotic and laugable without adding anything of value to the conversation, even though the post led to an interesting discussion. So remind me - who was it that began the name calling and the "argument" here?there are 7 billion people in the world.
CoachReddy, I haven't seen a single thread with your involvement that hasn't devolved into a bitter argument.
Saying your false statements were idiotic added tremendous value to the discussion. It's true and cut right to the point. Time is money. I wish pags post was the first response in the thread so we could have ended it right there
this is kind of my point and it's not particularly helpful.
your story you posted above is also - to use the phrase you love so much - purely anecdotal. The poster you quoted - also an anecdote. neither proves anything, but I'd personally rather err on the side of caution, then end up screwed 30 years down the road. If it turns out fast food wouldn't have hurt me, I'm no worse off, and if it turns out I was right, I'll be glad I did. To me it's a win/win, because I honest to god don't WANT to eat that kind of food, so I'm not "depriving" myself or being "orthorexic".
If there are people who DO want to eat it, they should. In fact, everyone should do whatever the hell it is they WANT to do.
What they shouldn't do, is call people idiots because of their dietary choices.0 -
I would really love for that not to be the case - I would - but mmapags began with calling my premise idiotic and laugable without adding anything of value to the conversation, even though the post led to an interesting discussion. So remind me - who was it that began the name calling and the "argument" here?there are 7 billion people in the world.
CoachReddy, I haven't seen a single thread with your involvement that hasn't devolved into a bitter argument.
Saying your false statements were idiotic added tremendous value to the discussion. It's true and cut right to the point. Time is money. I wish pags post was the first response in the thread so we could have ended it right there
this is kind of my point and it's not particularly helpful.
your story you posted above is also - to use the phrase you love so much - purely anecdotal. The poster you quoted - also an anecdote. neither proves anything, but I'd personally rather err on the side of caution, then end up screwed 30 years down the road. If it turns out fast food wouldn't have hurt me, I'm no worse off, and if it turns out I was right, I'll be glad I did. To me it's a win/win, because I honest to god don't WANT to eat that kind of food, so I'm not "depriving" myself or being "orthorexic".
If there are people who DO want to eat it, they should. In fact, everyone should do whatever the hell it is they WANT to do.
What they shouldn't do, is call people idiots because of their dietary choices, unless of course they drink Shakeology.
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We've already had this discussion. Just because memento here can't make new memories is no reason to have it again.
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I don't know if all calories are created equal. I do know you have to expend more calories than you take in to lose weight. I also know my thyroid was fine UNTIL I quickly lost 30 pounds following the Atkins plan. Was it Atkins or rapid weigh loss? I don't know but I haven't been able to successfully lose weight since. Lately, I have erred on the side of healthier choices just because I feel better. With Atkins, I might eat 2 quarterpounders minus the bread. Now, I look for the lower fat protein choices. I also lift weights. I would never recommend Atkins to anyone based on my experience. I would recommend South Beach or Paleo. They are higher protein but advocate healthy fats and protein. That is my opinion. That is what the OP asked for. Not juvenile arguments attacking someone else's opinion.
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He didn't call you or anyone an idiot. He said the premise was idiotic. There's a difference. While I find your constant wrong headed harping on this issue highly annoying, I don't think you're an idiot. Well, at least I've never posted that in an open forum.0
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