Is tea the same as water?

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  • bearkisses
    bearkisses Posts: 1,252 Member
    You are quoting livestrong.....really?

    Yup. I guess cause 1 guy lies their entire organization is discredited? Seems fair and logical.

    Its physical science 101. When you change the physical properties of something, it no longer is that thing. Chemically, Tea is not water no matter how you twist it.

    http://msl1.mit.edu/ESD10/kidneys/HndbkHTML/ch1.htm


    There, I quoted MIT. Is that good enough for you?
    You may have quoted MIT but did you read it?

    it is basic chemistry, you add one thing to another and it changes the properties

    if you eat a cheesecake with fruit all over the top, you probably shouldn't count that as your daily serving of fruit
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Not if your tea is caffinated. It will actually slightly dehydrate your body. They say if you drink caffinated tea/coffee, to drink the same amount in water to keep your body hydrated.

    totally false information ^^
  • Smuterella
    Smuterella Posts: 1,623 Member
    Utter rot.
  • sobriquet84
    sobriquet84 Posts: 607 Member
    You are quoting livestrong.....really?

    Yup. I guess cause 1 guy lies their entire organization is discredited? Seems fair and logical.

    Its physical science 101. When you change the physical properties of something, it no longer is that thing. Chemically, Tea is not water no matter how you twist it.

    http://msl1.mit.edu/ESD10/kidneys/HndbkHTML/ch1.htm


    There, I quoted MIT. Is that good enough for you?
    You may have quoted MIT but did you read it?

    it is basic chemistry, you add one thing to another and it changes the properties

    if you eat a cheesecake with fruit all over the top, you probably shouldn't count that as your daily serving of fruit

    bearkisses-- i've tried arguing this using your same point several times. its pretty futile.
  • Fatandfifty3
    Fatandfifty3 Posts: 419 Member
    Utter rot.
    yup
  • s_west
    s_west Posts: 17 Member
    When I add a teabag of non caffeinated chammomile to a mug of boiling water, I count that as water. Because it is H20 with some flavour added. And adding flavour does not change the underlying chemical composition of a substance.

    Unless of course boiling water changes it's chemical composition. Which it doesn't. So please don't tell me it does.
  • JUDDDing
    JUDDDing Posts: 1,367 Member
    You are quoting livestrong.....really?

    Here is another one:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120802111332.htm

    If tea is the same as water, then I guess water is causing the kidney stones.

    The presence of oxalate does not remove the water.

    In a sample size of 1 - I pretty much only drink iced tea. 100+ ounces a day or so - for about 15 years. I have not dried up, nor have I gotten kidney stones. Maybe I am special?
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    if you eat a cheesecake with fruit all over the top, you probably shouldn't count that as your daily serving of fruit

    Provided you have 1/2 cup of actual fruit, why not?
  • Susie_Q12
    Susie_Q12 Posts: 40
    Yes. to make tea you have

    1. teabag
    2. some water

    If you ate the teabag and drank the water you'd log the water as ...water, right?

    by putting the teabag in the water you aren't magically making into a substance known as "not-water"


    lol, very well said!
  • Ready2Rock206
    Ready2Rock206 Posts: 9,487 Member
    Yes. to make tea you have

    1. teabag
    2. some water

    If you ate the teabag and drank the water you'd log the water as ...water, right?

    by putting the teabag in the water you aren't magically making into a substance known as "not-water"

    This. I've always wondered what the water is supposed to turn into once flavor is added?? Seems like it is still water to me.
  • Smuterella
    Smuterella Posts: 1,623 Member
    I can quote sources the other way too - look at my google skills:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5281046.stm

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/491462-can-drinking-tea-dehydrate-you/

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/50514.php

    ...and yes - the fruit on a cheesecake counts if there is enough of it, so do the canned tomatoes in your pasta sauce and the mushrooms in your omelette.
  • sobriquet84
    sobriquet84 Posts: 607 Member
    from the mayoclinic's website:

    Caffeine: Is it dehydrating or not?

    I've been seeing ads that say cola and coffee drinks hydrate you as well as water does. Is this true?

    Answer

    from Katherine Zeratsky, R.D., L.D.

    It is true. Researchers used to believe that caffeinated drinks had a diuretic effect. This means that you would urinate more after drinking them, which could increase your risk of becoming dehydrated. Recent research shows that this is not true and that caffeine has a diuretic effect only if you consume large amounts of it — more than 500 to 600 milligrams (the equivalent of 5 to 7 cups of coffee) a day.

    Still, caffeinated drinks can make you jittery, sleepless or anxious. Water is probably your best bet to stay hydrated. It's calorie-free, caffeine-free, inexpensive and readily available.


    SOOOOOOOOO its all about how MUCH caffeine is in your drink, or how many of those caffeinated drinks you're having.

    everyone is sorta right. so there.
  • K_Serz
    K_Serz Posts: 1,299 Member
    You are quoting livestrong.....really?

    Here is another one:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120802111332.htm

    If tea is the same as water, then I guess water is causing the kidney stones.

    The presence of oxalate does not remove the water.

    In a sample size of 1 - I pretty much only drink iced tea. 100+ ounces a day or so - for about 15 years. I have not dried up, nor have I gotten kidney stones. Maybe I am special?

    I drink coffee, tea, soda etc daily as well. No stones here either. But when Im drinking a glass of Diet Dr Pepper I am honest enough with myself to say that I am no, I am not drinking water because the first ingredient on the bottle says water. Everyone can keep lying to themselves as well. It really makes no difference. The bottom line is that tea....is not water. No matter how many ways you want to twist it.
  • K_Serz
    K_Serz Posts: 1,299 Member
    I can quote sources the other way too - look at my google skills:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5281046.stm

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/491462-can-drinking-tea-dehydrate-you/

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/50514.php

    ...and yes - the fruit on a cheesecake counts if there is enough of it, so do the canned tomatoes in your pasta sauce and the mushrooms in your omelette.

    omg, you quoted livestrong. post is invalid now
  • meg7399
    meg7399 Posts: 672 Member
    if you are putting anything in it, like sugar, milk, honey, etc. i wouldn't count it

    and i thought the comment about eating the tea bag and drinking the water was ludicrous, not trying to be mean, but the picture of the bra threw me off as well i guess.

    if you drank kool-aid...which is water, sugar, and powder...would you log the water? no

    if you chased your shot of rye with water, would you count the water? you probably shouldn't. just drink some water.
    your logic is flawed. yes, Koolaid contains the base of water just like tea. THUS, you are getting the hydating effects of water. You would need to count the calories of anything added, but koolaid does not take away the fact you start with water...
  • 3laine75
    3laine75 Posts: 3,069 Member
    Yes. to make tea you have

    1. teabag
    2. some water

    If you ate the teabag and drank the water you'd log the water as ...water, right?

    by putting the teabag in the water you aren't magically making into a substance known as "not-water"


    They use water to make beer too......yeah!!
  • Smuterella
    Smuterella Posts: 1,623 Member
    I can quote sources the other way too - look at my google skills:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5281046.stm

    http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/caffeinated-drinks/AN01661

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/491462-can-drinking-tea-dehydrate-you/

    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/50514.php

    ...and yes - the fruit on a cheesecake counts if there is enough of it, so do the canned tomatoes in your pasta sauce and the mushrooms in your omelette.

    omg, you quoted livestrong. post is invalid now

    It's called sarcasm dollface.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    In a sample size of 1 - I pretty much only drink iced tea. 100+ ounces a day or so - for about 15 years. I have not dried up, nor have I gotten kidney stones. Maybe I am special?

    Tea can increase risk of kidney stones. Citrus reduces the risk. So all you need do is drink your tea with lemon.
  • riveraphx
    riveraphx Posts: 380 Member
    this makes me very happy. on a cold day like today i can't stand drinking water - even if it's room temp.
  • Smuterella
    Smuterella Posts: 1,623 Member
    Yes. to make tea you have

    1. teabag
    2. some water

    If you ate the teabag and drank the water you'd log the water as ...water, right?

    by putting the teabag in the water you aren't magically making into a substance known as "not-water"


    They use water to make beer too......yeah!!

    Beer actually goes though a chemical change. Fermenting something over a long period of time is quite different to wafting some dried leaves near it.
  • Lovlilyn
    Lovlilyn Posts: 79 Member
    Needing to drink 64oz of pure water is a myth.
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2012/06/08/water-eight-glasses-myth.html

    Drinking water helps to make you feel full, give you something to do, and makes you pee a lot, which all are distractions to hunger or boredom. Any beverage will do the same - obviously you wouldn't want it to be a caloric beverage if you are trying lose weight or cut down on sugar, etc.
  • K_Serz
    K_Serz Posts: 1,299 Member
    Yes. to make tea you have

    1. teabag
    2. some water

    If you ate the teabag and drank the water you'd log the water as ...water, right?

    by putting the teabag in the water you aren't magically making into a substance known as "not-water"


    They use water to make beer too......yeah!!

    Beer actually goes though a chemical change. Fermenting something over a long period of time is quite different to wafting some dried leaves near it.

    Beer is a chemical change, but tea is not? LMAO Have a nice day everyone!! :drinker:
  • JUDDDing
    JUDDDing Posts: 1,367 Member
    Yes. to make tea you have

    1. teabag
    2. some water

    If you ate the teabag and drank the water you'd log the water as ...water, right?

    by putting the teabag in the water you aren't magically making into a substance known as "not-water"


    They use water to make beer too......yeah!!

    Beer actually goes though a chemical change. Fermenting something over a long period of time is quite different to wafting some dried leaves near it.

    Beer still counts as water. And fermenting does not change the water - fermenting changes the sugars into alcohols.

    That doesn't mean that it is exactly the same (purity issue). River water still counts as water too, but that has more extra stuff than tea or beer.

    http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2007/11/02/Study-Beer-beats-water-for-hydration/UPI-75631194005695/
  • bearkisses
    bearkisses Posts: 1,252 Member
    can't make pictures of Fry at work...but


    Not sure if most of these people are idiots


    or just grumpy on a monday
  • bearkisses
    bearkisses Posts: 1,252 Member
    report to the burn unit!
  • Smuterella
    Smuterella Posts: 1,623 Member
    That isn't precisely what I said now is it, dear. Sigh.

    Look - it comes down to this:

    There are articles that support both views. Of those articles (two of differing views from the same site to demonstrate that particular site's uselessness) we both believe different things. It's like religion.

    I'm going to keep counting the mushrooms in my omelette as one of my vegetable servings and the water in my tea as water.
  • Smuterella
    Smuterella Posts: 1,623 Member
    And I'm not saying that plain water is not better, I strongly believe it is.
  • concordancia
    concordancia Posts: 5,320 Member
    I saw a nutritionist last month and she said that nothing caffeinated counts toward the 64oz per day. Non Caffeinated teas and coffees will. So will powerade and water with mio and crystal light in them.

    My nutritionist said that Crystal Light and tea can be counted towards my water consumption.

    One of these nutritionists is going overboard.

    As others have mentioned, studies have shown that normal caffeinated drinks provide sognificantlt more water than they take out. I have not seen studies involving espresso, which has the same caffeine as regular coffee, with only about 1/4 of the water.
  • Smuterella
    Smuterella Posts: 1,623 Member
    What about if I squeeze some lemon into my water?
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    Yes. to make tea you have

    1. teabag
    2. some water

    If you ate the teabag and drank the water you'd log the water as ...water, right?

    by putting the teabag in the water you aren't magically making into a substance known as "not-water"


    They use water to make beer too......yeah!!

    Beer actually goes though a chemical change. Fermenting something over a long period of time is quite different to wafting some dried leaves near it.

    Beer is a chemical change, but tea is not? LMAO Have a nice day everyone!! :drinker:

    Tea is not fermented. Fermentation changes sugars to alcohol. This is why grape juice is high in sugar but wine is low in sugar. Not sure why that is funny, but laughter is always good medicine.

    As for beer, you actually can receive hydration from beer. Not as much as from water or tea, because as the water is hydrating you the alcohol is dehydrating you, but the overall affect is still hydrating.

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