TDEE- Net Calories question!

jacksonpt

if you calculated your TDEE at sedentary, eat the exercise cals back

if you calculated your TDEE with your activity level included, do not eat them back

No. There's no such thing as TDEE at sedentary. TDEE by definition includes exercise. If you aren't factoring in your exercise then you aren't calculating TDEE.

Incorrect.

TDEE by definition includes daily activity, which may or may not include official exercise. If someone calculates TDEE at sedentary, that multiplies RMR by 1.2 (depending on the calculator). I do it this way so that I can eat back my exercise calories because I prefer to log total number of calories burned on a daily basis.

by joejvcca71 in this thread:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/510406-tdee-is-everything

1. BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): This is the amount of calories you need to consume to maintain your body if you were comatose (base level).

2. NEAT (Non-Exercise Associated Thermogenesis): The calorie of daily activity that is NOT exercise (eg: washing, walking, talking, shopping, working). ie: INCIDENTAL EXERCISE! It is something that everyone has a good amount of control over & it is the MOST important factor in your energy expenditure. It is what helps keep 'constitutionally lean' people LEAN (they fidget)!

3. EAT (Exercise Associated Thermogenesis): The calorie requirements associated with planned exercise. Unless someone is doing a whole heap of exercise (eg: two or more hrs training a day) it usually doesn't add a stack of calories to your requirements (30 minutes of 'elliptical training isn't going to do it')

4. TEF (Thermic effect of feeding): The calorie expenditure associated with eating. REGARDLESS of what myths you have been told - this is NOT dependent on MEAL FREQUENCY. It is a % of TOTAL CALORIES CONSUMED (and 15% of 3 x 600 cal meals is the same as 15% of 6 x 300 cal meals). It varies according to MACRONUTRIENT content and FIBER content. For most mixed diets, it is something around 15%. Protein is higher (up to 25%), carbs are variable (between 5-25%), and fats are low (usually less than 5%). So -> More protein and more carbs and more fiber = HIGHER TEF. More FAT = LOWER TEF.

5. TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expedenture): Total calories burned. BMR + NEAT + EAT + TEF = TDEE

I trust this.

EmilyOfTheSun

if you calculated your TDEE at sedentary, eat the exercise cals back

if you calculated your TDEE with your activity level included, do not eat them back

but when I look at the net calories on the exercise days, its very low as I burn around 800 calories on average. I guess what youre saying makes sense.

thanks

If you have your TDEE calculated to already include your exercise routine, then you don't record the burn into MFP because you don't need those calories back.

spikelike

if you calculated your TDEE at sedentary, eat the exercise cals back

if you calculated your TDEE with your activity level included, do not eat them back

but when I look at the net calories on the exercise days, its very low as I burn around 800 calories on average. I guess what youre saying makes sense.

thanks

If you have your TDEE calculated to already include your exercise routine, then you don't record the burn into MFP because you don't need those calories back.

make sense as alot of people do put in 1 calorie burnt.

erickirb

if you calculated your TDEE at sedentary, eat the exercise cals back

if you calculated your TDEE with your activity level included, do not eat them back

No. There's no such thing as TDEE at sedentary. TDEE by definition includes exercise. If you aren't factoring in your exercise then you aren't calculating TDEE.

Incorrect.

TDEE by definition includes daily activity, which may or may not include official exercise. If someone calculates TDEE at sedentary, that multiplies RMR by 1.2 (depending on the calculator). I do it this way so that I can eat back my exercise calories because I prefer to log total number of calories burned on a daily basis.

If that is what you do then just follow MFP, as that is what MFP does. You calculate a daily TDEE, whereas all other TDEE calculators give you a weekly TDEE divided by 7 to get your daily caloric goal.

krisiepoo

if you calculated your TDEE at sedentary, eat the exercise cals back

if you calculated your TDEE with your activity level included, do not eat them back

If you're calculating TDEE, you should NOT have it set at sedentary because you're taking into account your exercise. Set the TDEE what it should be

3foldchord

I see what your saying but I'm a numbers geek, I still like to track even if I do the TDEE method (I've done both). Plus, I'd never get a "good job" if I didn't log my exercise. I think someone already suggested to change the calorie burned to 1 in order to be able to log, get atta boys/girls, and not mess with the net. I just log it normally and ignore the net.

If you need the approval/motivation from posting exercise then maybe using the sedentary setting so you aren't getting "double points" for exercise.

Or do the "burned 1 calorie weaving baskets underwater" type of deal.

I don't have the time or desire to log every little thing I do, so I set to my activity level and only log exercise that is above my setting of 3 days a week.

Mia_RagazzaTosta

if you calculated your TDEE at sedentary, eat the exercise cals back

if you calculated your TDEE with your activity level included, do not eat them back

If you're calculating TDEE, you should NOT have it set at sedentary because you're taking into account your exercise. Set the TDEE what it should be

what about the person who is inconsistent with exercise?

I do not have my TDEE set this way. I have seen others that do. To each their own.

Mia_RagazzaTosta

if you calculated your TDEE at sedentary, eat the exercise cals back

if you calculated your TDEE with your activity level included, do not eat them back

No. There's no such thing as TDEE at sedentary. TDEE by definition includes exercise. If you aren't factoring in your exercise then you aren't calculating TDEE.

Incorrect.

TDEE by definition includes daily activity, which may or may not include official exercise. If someone calculates TDEE at sedentary, that multiplies RMR by 1.2 (depending on the calculator). I do it this way so that I can eat back my exercise calories because I prefer to log total number of calories burned on a daily basis.

by joejvcca71 in this thread:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/510406-tdee-is-everything

1. BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): This is the amount of calories you need to consume to maintain your body if you were comatose (base level).

2. NEAT (Non-Exercise Associated Thermogenesis): The calorie of daily activity that is NOT exercise (eg: washing, walking, talking, shopping, working). ie: INCIDENTAL EXERCISE! It is something that everyone has a good amount of control over & it is the MOST important factor in your energy expenditure. It is what helps keep 'constitutionally lean' people LEAN (they fidget)!

3. EAT (Exercise Associated Thermogenesis): The calorie requirements associated with planned exercise. Unless someone is doing a whole heap of exercise (eg: two or more hrs training a day) it usually doesn't add a stack of calories to your requirements (30 minutes of 'elliptical training isn't going to do it')

4. TEF (Thermic effect of feeding): The calorie expenditure associated with eating. REGARDLESS of what myths you have been told - this is NOT dependent on MEAL FREQUENCY. It is a % of TOTAL CALORIES CONSUMED (and 15% of 3 x 600 cal meals is the same as 15% of 6 x 300 cal meals). It varies according to MACRONUTRIENT content and FIBER content. For most mixed diets, it is something around 15%. Protein is higher (up to 25%), carbs are variable (between 5-25%), and fats are low (usually less than 5%). So -> More protein and more carbs and more fiber = HIGHER TEF. More FAT = LOWER TEF.

5. TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expedenture): Total calories burned. BMR + NEAT + EAT + TEF = TDEE

I trust this.

I get it, trust me...It's the "planned exercise" part that is the problem for most people.

3dogsrunning

I see what your saying but I'm a numbers geek, I still like to track even if I do the TDEE method (I've done both). Plus, I'd never get a "good job" if I didn't log my exercise. I think someone already suggested to change the calorie burned to 1 in order to be able to log, get atta boys/girls, and not mess with the net. I just log it normally and ignore the net.

If you need the approval/motivation from posting exercise then maybe using the sedentary setting so you aren't getting "double points" for exercise.

Or do the "burned 1 calorie weaving baskets underwater" type of deal.

I don't have the time or desire to log every little thing I do, so I set to my activity level and only log exercise that is above my setting of 3 days a week.

It was more of a joke. I like to log because I like to log. It keeps me accountable. I also like to interact with my friends on workouts. One of the selling features of this site.

I'm not getting double points for exercise. I simply shows me what I have burned. I eat the same number regardless when I do TDEE method. I disregard the net as I suggested to the OP.

FWIW - TDEE -20 calorie goal with exercise logged pretty much ends up to net what MFP suggests.

3dogsrunning

if you calculated your TDEE at sedentary, eat the exercise cals back

if you calculated your TDEE with your activity level included, do not eat them back

If you're calculating TDEE, you should NOT have it set at sedentary because you're taking into account your exercise. Set the TDEE what it should be

what about the person who is inconsistent with exercise?

I do not have my TDEE set this way. I have seen others that do. To each their own.

Which is what I like about the MFP set up.

DavPul

DontStopB_Leakin

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Pretty much this.

Grats, Jackson, for making this thread unnecessarily complicated.

DavPul

One last time

Real talk, how about this? Pick a number, ANY number, and start eating that amount. Be consistent with it. Once per week (sorry Jof) check yourself on your scale and write the number down. Do this for 3 weeks.

After the 3rd week, check the weigh in numbers against each other. Which way are they going? Up, then lower your cals by 500. Down, then stay the course. Unmoved, then lower your cals by 200-300.

Rinse. Repeat. Profit.

No fancy calculations needed. No ACLT (All Capital Letter Terms) needed. No special testing. No nothing. Just eating to your target and checking your scale. After a few weeks you'll have the number and things will go smoothly from there for the next several months/years.

Just for giggles, lets start with one of the numbers you already have. I'd go with the 1800ish number, because this works best if you start high and work down.

myfitnesspaller

bump

myfitnesspaller

Would like more opinions on this too

3dogsrunning

Would like more opinions on this too

What specifically were you wondering? You may get better responses if you posted a topic.