Has any one tried CLA?

trogalicious

When Oprah is skinny then there might be reason to think Dr Oz found something that worked.

yup.

until then, just send the people in this thread your money. We'll do more good for you than some stupid product that Dr. Oz is selling.

AnvilHead

When Oprah is skinny then there might be reason to think Dr Oz found something that worked.

Exaaactly.

contingencyplan

I've tried most things you can get in a supplement store such as GNC, including CLA, and the only thing that has ever had any actual effect on me was a good pre-workout supplement. Everything else might have been a placebo.

jenilla1

You lost me at Dr. Oz. :sick:

lovelee79

I heard about, and took CLA long before Dr. Oz ever had a show about it !!!
I took it in 2008, and I could've sworn it was working, BUT I was also doing a low carb diet at the exact same time.... so, more than likely it was the low carb diet that was working, and not the CLA.
I don't know if there is enough scientific evidence to prove that CLA works.
Eat healthy and exercise. Good luck on your journey.

dixiewhiskey

I really hate that Dr Oz had to talk about it because a lot of folks around here don't like him.. I used CLA last year and lost over 10%BF in a month - going from 40% to 30%..

I believe it works - it worked for me and I have a few bodybuilding friends who use it in their daily mix of supplements. I believe Bodybuilding.com also includes it in a few of their recommended sets of supplements that they sell in their store.

To each their own.

dixiewhiskey

I tried CLA and it worked great!!!! The only thing that while you are using it, you have to make sure you're eating in a calorie deficit. Oh, and doing some exercise will help too.

1. Eat in a deficit.
2. Exercise.
3. Use CLA

This

trogalicious

I tried CLA and it worked great!!!! The only thing that while you are using it, you have to make sure you're eating in a calorie deficit. Oh, and doing some exercise will help too.

1. Eat in a deficit.
2. Exercise.
3. Use CLA

This

you left off the most important part of that post.

Sarauk2sf

I tried CLA and it worked great!!!! The only thing that while you are using it, you have to make sure you're eating in a calorie deficit. Oh, and doing some exercise will help too.

1. Eat in a deficit.
2. Exercise.
3. Use CLA

This

Adding back the excluded part of the quote:

Bonus tip. As long as you are doing 1 and 2, you can replace CLA in #3 with virtually any product you want to blow your money on.

AnvilHead

I tried CLA and it worked great!!!! The only thing that while you are using it, you have to make sure you're eating in a calorie deficit. Oh, and doing some exercise will help too.

1. Eat in a deficit.
2. Exercise.
3. Use CLA

This

Don't leave out the best part of that post:

Bonus tip. As long as you are doing 1 and 2, you can replace CLA in #3 with virtually any product you want to blow your money on.

trogalicious

I tried CLA and it worked great!!!! The only thing that while you are using it, you have to make sure you're eating in a calorie deficit. Oh, and doing some exercise will help too.

1. Eat in a deficit.
2. Exercise.
3. Use CLA

This

Don't leave out the best part of that post:

Bonus tip. As long as you are doing 1 and 2, you can replace CLA in #3 with virtually any product you want to blow your money on.

I tried CLA and it worked great!!!! The only thing that while you are using it, you have to make sure you're eating in a calorie deficit. Oh, and doing some exercise will help too.

1. Eat in a deficit.
2. Exercise.
3. Use CLA

This

Adding back the excluded part of the quote:

Bonus tip. As long as you are doing 1 and 2, you can replace CLA in #3 with virtually any product you want to blow your money on.

For emphasis.

sdonovan4

I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.

dixiewhiskey

I tried CLA and it worked great!!!! The only thing that while you are using it, you have to make sure you're eating in a calorie deficit. Oh, and doing some exercise will help too.

1. Eat in a deficit.
2. Exercise.
3. Use CLA

This

I know Dav is being totally sarcastic but this is what I agree with.. also reposting what I agree with "for emphasis" :yawn:

Sarauk2sf

Taken from Alan Aragon's commentary:

Conjugated linoleic acid intake in humans: a systematic review focusing on its effect on body composition, glucose, and lipid metabolism.

Salas-Salvad? J, M?rquez-Sandoval F, Bull? M. Crit Rev Food Sci Nutr. 2006;46(6):479-88.

Studies performed on different species show that the consumption of conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) leads to a loss of fat and total body weight, reduces the plasma concentrations of total and LDL cholesterol, and has an antiinflammatory effect. This article reviews the clinical trials on human beings that evaluate how mixtures of CLA isomers administered as supplements or CLA-enriched products can affect total body weight, body composition, plasma lipid profile, glycemia, insulinemia, insulin sensitivity, lipid oxidation, and inflammation. After analyzing the few studies published to date in reduced samples of healthy humans or patients with overweight, obesity, metabolic syndrome, or diabetes, we deduce that there is not enough evidence to show that conjugated linoleic acid has an effect on weight and body composition in humans. However, some of these studies have observed that the administration of various CLA isomers has adverse effects on lipid profile (it decreases HDL cholesterol concentration and increases Lp(a) circulating levels), glucose metabolism (glycemia, insulinemia or insulin sensitivity), lipid oxidation, inflammation, or endothelial function. Therefore, long-term randomized clinical trials, controlled with placebo, need to be made in large samples of patients to evaluate the efficacy and safety of CLA isomers before its indiscriminate use in human beings can be recommended.

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The only CLA study done on resistance-trained subjects failed to show any effect:

Effects of conjugated linoleic acid supplementation during resistance training on body composition, bone density, strength, and selected hematological markers.

Kreider RB, Ferreira MP, Greenwood M, Wilson M, Almada AL. J Strength Cond Res. 2002 Aug;16(3):325-34.

Conjugated linoleic acids (CLA) are essential fatty acids that have been reported in animal studies to decrease catabolism, promote fat loss, increase bone density, enhance immunity, and serve as an antiatherogenic and anticarcinogenic agent. For this reason, CLA has been marketed as a supplement to promote weight loss and general health. CLA has also been heavily marketed to resistance-trained athletes as a supplement that may help lessen catabolism, decrease body fat, and promote greater gains in strength and muscle mass during training. Although basic research is promising, few studies have examined whether CLA supplementation during training enhances training adaptations and/or affects markers of health. This study evaluated whether CLA supplementation during resistance training affects body composition, strength, and/or general markers of catabolism and immunity. In a double-blind and randomized manner, 23 experienced, resistance-trained subjects were matched according to body mass and training volume and randomly assigned to supplement their diet with 9 g;pdd(-1) of an olive oil placebo or 6 g;pdd(-1) of CLA with 3 g;pdd(-1) of fatty acids for 28 days. Prior to and following supplementation, fasting blood samples, total body mass, and dual-energy X-ray absorptiometry (DEXA) determined body composition, and isotonic bench press and leg press 1 repetition maximums (1RMs) were determined. Results revealed that although some statistical trends were observed with moderate to large effect sizes, CLA supplementation did not significantly affect (p > 0.05) changes in total body mass, fat-free mass, fat mass, percent body fat, bone mass, strength, serum substrates, or general markers of catabolism and immunity during training. These findings indicate that CLA does not appear to possess significant ergogenic value for experienced resistance-trained athletes.

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CLA has adverse effects on markers of cardiovascular health, without significantly affecting bodycomp:

Treatment with dietary trans10cis12 conjugated linoleic acid causes isomer-specific insulin resistance in obese men with the metabolic syndrome.

Diabetes Care. 2002 Sep;25(9):1516-21. Ris?rus U, Arner P, Brismar K, Vessby B.

OBJECTIVE: Conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) is a group of dietary fatty acids with antiobesity and antidiabetic effects in some animals. The trans10cis12 (t10c12) CLA isomer seems to cause these effects, including improved insulin sensitivity. Whether such isomer-specific effects occur in humans is unknown. The aim of this study was to investigate whether t10c12 CLA or a commercial CLA mixture could improve insulin sensitivity, lipid metabolism, or body composition in obese men with signs of the metabolic syndrome. RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS: In a randomized, double-blind controlled trial, abdominally obese men (n = 60) were treated with 3.4 g/day CLA (isomer mixture), purified t10c12 CLA, or placebo. Euglycemic-hyperinsulinemic clamp, serum hormones, lipids, and anthropometry were assessed before and after 12 weeks of treatment. RESULTS: Baseline metabolic status was similar between groups. Unexpectedly, t10c12 CLA increased insulin resistance (19%; P < 0.01) and glycemia (4%; P < 0.001) and reduced HDL cholesterol (-4%; P < 0.01) compared with placebo, whereas body fat, sagittal abdominal diameter, and weight decreased versus baseline, but the difference was not significantly different from placebo. The CLA mixture did not change glucose metabolism, body composition, or weight compared with placebo but lowered HDL cholesterol.(-2%; P < 0.05). CONCLUSIONS: These results reveal important isomer-specific metabolic actions of CLA in abdominally obese humans. A CLA-induced insulin resistance has previously been described only in lipodystrophic mice. Considering the use of CLA-supplements among obese individuals, it is important to clarify the clinical consequences of these results, but they also provide physiological insights into the role of specific dietary fatty acids as modulators of insulin resistance in humans.

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More on CLA's adverse effects on cardiovascular health parameters, again, without improving bodycomp:

Effects of cis-9,trans-11 conjugated linoleic acid supplementation on insulin sensitivity, lipid peroxidation, and proinflammatory markers in obese men.

Am J Clin Nutr. 2004 Aug;80(2):279-83. Ris?rus U, Vessby B, Arnl?v J, Basu S.

BACKGROUND: We recently showed that trans-10,cis-12 (t10,c12) conjugated linoleic acid (CLA) causes insulin resistance in obese men. However, metabolic effects of the c9,t11 CLA isomer are still unknown in obese men. Because c9,t11 CLA is the predominant CLA isomer in foods and is included in dietary weight-loss products, it is important to conduct randomized controlled studies that use c9,t11 CLA preparations. OBJECTIVE: We investigated the effects of c9,t11 CLA supplementation on insulin sensitivity, body composition, and lipid peroxidation in a group at high risk for cardiovascular disease. DESIGN: In a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study, 25 abdominally obese men received 3 g c9,t11 CLA/d or placebo (olive oil). Before and after 3 mo of supplementation, we assessed insulin sensitivity (hyperinsulinemic euglycemic clamp), lipid metabolism, body composition, and urinary 8-iso-prostaglandin F(2alpha) (a major F(2)-isoprostane) and 15-keto-dihydro-prostaglandin F(2alpha), markers of in vivo oxidative stress and inflammation, respectively. RESULTS: All subjects completed the study. Compared with placebo, c9,t11 CLA decreased insulin sensitivity by 15% (P < 0.05) and increased 8-iso-prostaglandin F(2alpha) and 15-keto-dihydro-prostaglandin F(2alpha) excretion by 50% (P < 0.01) and 15% (P < 0.05), respectively. The decreased insulin sensitivity was independent of changes in serum lipids, glycemia, body mass index, and body fat but was abolished after adjustment for changes in 8-iso-prostaglandin F(2alpha) concentrations. There were no differences between groups in body composition. CONCLUSIONS: A CLA preparation containing the purified c9,t11 CLA isomer increased insulin resistance and lipid peroxidation compared with placebo in obese men. Because c9,t11 CLA occurs in commercial supplements as well as in the diet, the present results should be confirmed in larger studies that also include women.

Reposting actual science, for emphasis.

trogalicious

I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.

no.

the only thing that makes any sense in what you're saying is what I bolded.

dixiewhiskey

I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.

Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.

Bownzi

I have taken it and as long as I stayed on the suggested foods it worked... I have looked at a lot of the things which Oz has suggested and some work for me while others well don't do so well... Keep doing what you are doing... And as you said there is no magic pill....but there are some out there that do help.... Keep losing..you are doing great....

PikaKnight

I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.

Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.

First - I'm not built.

Second - just because they are "now" doesn't mean they always were. And because they have reached their goals, maybe that might mean they know a thing or two....like how not to waste your money on fads.

trogalicious

I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.

Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.

am I "built" or are you just mad that you've wasted money? I've busted my *kitten* for a solid year to get where I am right now, and NONE of it was from any product I've bought. I'm sorry you bought into it.

ndnyl

what is cla

trogalicious

what is cla

nothing that anyone needs.

Sarauk2sf

I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.

Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.

Trolls apparently are people who disagree with you? Even ones that actually cite peer reviewed studies? Right! Got it. Not sure what 'built' means, but you may want to look at people's tickers.

msliu7911

OP- you say you've seen about 90% positive reviews on it... could it be that you're only looking for the positive reviews and only want to believe the positive ones? Based on some of your responses to some very HELPFUL and KNOWLEDGABLE veteren MFP members on here... its seems like you're truly not wanting to hear that it doesn't work. That's fine- keep spending the money... not ours to waste but we are just trying to help you.

That being said............

Here's my review on it: I worked in a vitamin store and sold CLA on a fairly regular basis. My only customers who saw a benefit from this were those who are very close to their goal weight and have little fat to lose. Actually , it was mainly MMA fighters and body builders that would come in and take it when they were prepping for competitions to aid in body fat % loss and cutting. Note you have to take at least 3-4 GRAMS PER DAY for AT LEAST 45 days before you will see any difference... all of this of course coupled with (#1!!) balanced diet and exercise. (P.S. 3-4 grams means about 6 pills per day if you you have the 1000mg capsules.)

Save your money. If you just continue to diet and exercise without these pills you are going to see a huge difference. You cannot spot train. Trust me. You're better off burning lots of calories with cardio and doing some abdominal exercises than using this stuff. In 45 days you could easily lose AT LEAST 10 lbs and a huge amount of body fat %... WITHOUT the CLA. If you want to add in the CLA in hopes that it will increase your fat lost thats fine, again- your money to spend.

dixiewhiskey

I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.

Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.

am I "built" or are you just mad that you've wasted money? I've busted my *kitten* for a solid year to get where I am right now, and NONE of it was from any product I've bought. I'm sorry you bought into it.

No I wasn't referring to you. I actually got the supplement for free from a Canadian manufacturer - therefore no money wasted, also none of anyone's business if anyone wastes money on it unless it's your own IMO.

I put in my two cents that it worked for ME, being a young adult having worked my *kitten* off for years at the gym never getting the results I did until I added CLA WITH exercise and healthy eating. CLA won't work for people who have minimal body fat, specifically those in the athletic category - or for people who eat s*** and don't exercise. I, on the other hand, had a 40%BF after having a second child, I know I would work hard and eat right and I got it for free so it was worth a shot. It's like anything else you can buy out there, I do admit though that I have more respect for something like CLA than Ephedrine.

And thanks for the apology, there's really no need in trolling anyone who has a different opinion than yours (or others). I think we all agree with what DavPul stated, I just chose to skip his last statement. CLA is certainly not the worst thing someone could buy, we might as well all say the same about every single naturally occurring supplement out there. Points have been taken here, I don't see the need for double posting the same study over and over, re-adding the same quotes.. the point has been taken that certain folks here think it's a waste and OP can read through all the posts herself.

dixiewhiskey

I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.

Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.

Trolls apparently are people who disagree with you? Even ones that actually cite peer reviewed studies? Right! Got it. Not sure what 'built' means, but you may want to look at people's tickers.

I was referring to you actually.. it's kinda sad that you have so much time to quote my posts in order to re-add someone else's quote to reaffirm your opinion. Let me have my opinion, I let you have yours. We saw your studies, in fact last year I read that same study. Most of us here can research ourselves, thanks for posting it but it didn't need to be quoted twice. That is why you come off as a troll.

trogalicious

And thanks for the apology, there's really no need in trolling anyone who has a different opinion than yours (or others). I think we all agree with what DavPul stated, I just chose to skip his last statement. CLA is certainly not the worst thing someone could buy, we might as well all say the same about every single naturally occurring supplement out there. Points have been taken here, I don't see the need for double posting the same study over and over, re-adding the same quotes.. the point has been taken that certain folks here think it's a waste and OP can read through all the posts herself.

The point that Dav was making wasn't that the CLA made the difference. You've missed that... and I'm not trolling you. If I were, I'd recommend green coffee extract enemas or something else stupid that wouldn't make a difference. I'm sorry you missed the point here.

dixiewhiskey

OP- you say you've seen about 90% positive reviews on it... could it be that you're only looking for the positive reviews and only want to believe the positive ones? Based on some of your responses to some very HELPFUL and KNOWLEDGABLE veteren MFP members on here... its seems like you're truly not wanting to hear that it doesn't work. That's fine- keep spending the money... not ours to waste but we are just trying to help you.

That being said............

Here's my review on it: I worked in a vitamin store and sold CLA on a fairly regular basis. My only customers who saw a benefit from this were those who are very close to their goal weight and have little fat to lose. Actually , it was mainly MMA fighters and body builders that would come in and take it when they were prepping for competitions to aid in body fat % loss and cutting. Note you have to take at least 3-4 GRAMS PER DAY for AT LEAST 45 days before you will see any difference... all of this of course coupled with (#1!!) balanced diet and exercise. (P.S. 3-4 grams means about 6 pills per day if you you have the 1000mg capsules.)

Save your money. If you just continue to diet and exercise without these pills you are going to see a huge difference. You cannot spot train. Trust me. You're better off burning lots of calories with cardio and doing some abdominal exercises than using this stuff. In 45 days you could easily lose AT LEAST 5-7 lbs and a huge amount of body fat %... WITHOUT the CLA. If you want to add in the CLA in hopes that it will increase your fat lost thats fine, again- your money to spend.

Wonderfully and respectfully written. OP, listen to this and DavPul's advice. They pretty much got it.

LiftAllThePizzas

Trolls apparently are people who disagree with you? Even ones that actually cite peer reviewed studies? Right! Got it. Not sure what 'built' means, but you may want to look at people's tickers.

Glad to see you've caught up with the vernacular.

Sarauk2sf

I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.

Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.

am I "built" or are you just mad that you've wasted money? I've busted my *kitten* for a solid year to get where I am right now, and NONE of it was from any product I've bought. I'm sorry you bought into it.

No I wasn't referring to you. I actually got the supplement for free from a Canadian manufacturer - therefore no money wasted, also none of anyone's business if anyone wastes money on it unless it's your own IMO.

I put in my two cents that it worked for ME, being a young adult having worked my *kitten* off for years at the gym never getting the results I did until I added CLA WITH exercise and healthy eating. CLA won't work for people who have minimal body fat, specifically those in the athletic category - or for people who eat s*** and don't exercise. I, on the other hand, had a 40%BF after having a second child, I know I would work hard and eat right and I got it for free so it was worth a shot. It's like anything else you can buy out there, I do admit though that I have more respect for something like CLA than Ephedrine.

And thanks for the apology, there's really no need in trolling anyone who has a different opinion than yours (or others). I think we all agree with what DavPul stated, I just chose to skip his last statement. CLA is certainly not the worst thing someone could buy, we might as well all say the same about every single naturally occurring supplement out there. Points have been taken here, I don't see the need for double posting the same study over and over, re-adding the same quotes.. the point has been taken that certain folks here think it's a waste and OP can read through all the posts herself.

The post with the 'study' - which were actually quite a few studies, was reposted once, not over and over again (exaggeration much?) 'for emphasis' as a reaction to your reposting 'for emphasis'. You seem to have a misunderstanding of what a troll really is.

Sarauk2sf

I am using it with Betastax and it seems to be working. I also changed my diet by eating mostly veggies and fruits instead of processed foods maybe that could be helping. I have seen it does help reduce fat though.

Can the trolls come out and attack this post too? Never heard of this stuff, sounds like a money waster, more so than CLA. It's kinda funny cause the people posting about how it doesn't work are the ones who are already built - therefore, it wouldn't have an effect on them whatsoever.

Trolls apparently are people who disagree with you? Even ones that actually cite peer reviewed studies? Right! Got it. Not sure what 'built' means, but you may want to look at people's tickers.

I was referring to you actually.. it's kinda sad that you have so much time to quote my posts in order to re-add someone else's quote to reaffirm your opinion. Let me have my opinion, I let you have yours. We saw your studies, in fact last year I read that same study. Most of us here can research ourselves, thanks for posting it but it didn't need to be quoted twice. That is why you come off as a troll.

I posted studies...that makes me a troll? Really? Okey dokey then. I addressed the repost above.

Suggestion: learn what the word troll means.

And lolz re the comment about so much time...lets see who has spent the most amount of time one this thread?