Paleo Diet - Experience?

brandysprague5

Am thinking about a Paleo diet but would love to hear people's experience/advice? Any suggestions or recipes? Any good websites? Any help would be great.

neanderthin

Marks Daily Apple is popular. And the recipes are outstanding whether your paleo/primal or not.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/primal-blueprint-101/#axzz2M6kCUd8s

366to266

I don't think cavepeople had "recipes" as such!

Just eat meat, fish, eggs and salad - tasty, healthy and very very easy!

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pinkyleigh83

While I'm not paleo, I'm primal for the most part (couldn't drop grains AND dairy!) I've noticed a big difference since ditching grains. I never thought I had a problem with them ever, I was mainly doing it for overall gut health (grains reach havoc on our guts & is the root for so many health problems) but I've been doing it for 2 months & feel a huge difference! No constant stomach bloat, I have no sluggish energy crashes during the day, my skin is better, I wake up, having slept SO well (thats NEVER happened before!), on my own at 6am every day & have energy. It really amazed me. My macros are 55% high quality fats, 25% protein, 20% carbs. Generally my protein is around 120g, carbs are between 70-90g/day.
Marks Daily Apple is a primal site. Here are some Paleo ones..

http://paleomg.com/
http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2010/10/04/the-beginners-guide-to-the-paleo-diet/
http://robbwolf.com/what-is-the-paleo-diet/

Lupercalia

Just eating meat, fish, eggs, and salad works, but it can get boring real fast.

Here are just a few of my favourite paleo/primal recipe sites:

Everydaypaleo.com--Sarah Fragoso's site, which includes recipes. She's got a great paleo cookbook.

Chowstalker.com--this is cool because it's kind of like a pintrest board. You can search with words, or you can just browse photos. Click on the photo and it takes you to the recipe.

NomNomPaleo.com-- She has some fantastic recipes! Also has an app.

TheClothesMakeTheGirl.com-- She also has lots of fantastic recipes, especially all sorts of ethnic food. She has a cookbook out that is great.

PaleOMG.com--she's hilarious, and has good stuff, too.

There are all sorts of great paleo and/or primal sites to find recipes on. You can also do what I do sometimes, and just paleo-ify pretty much any sort of recipe to fit your needs.

brandysprague5

Thanks so much! This was all very helpful!!

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Montco

I'm down 25 lbs with Paleo/Primal. Check out MarksDailyApple.com for a HUGE amount of information. The forums there are also very informative.

I've cut out the grains but still allow myself some dairy products like greek yogurt.

fugaj01

all of the above are fabulous websites with great info. I would like to throw in there http://civilizedcavemancooking.com for recipes. :flowerforyou:

beecee13

Thanks for all the great links!!

DebbieLyn63

I didn't realize that I was eating Paleo-ish, I just kinda evolved into it. Cutting out grains and processed sugars and adding healthy fats to my diet made a world of difference for me. Less inflammation and arthritis pain, better moods, better digestion, no cravings, better sleep. I love it, and will eat this way forever. I even notice that I don't have PMS issues anymore. Hubby loves that! lol

515TeachNRun

Thanks for the links.

pfgaytriot

I started with Whole30 (http://www.whole9life.com) back in October and I've been about 90% paleo since. I LOVE it. It kind of takes a back burner while I'm traveling, though. Sometimes there's no kitchen in my hotel room so I have to attempt to find the lesser of all the evils out there. I try my best to avoid dairy now, though. As of Christmas day, I'm VERY aware that I'm lactose intolerant. Bad times! :frown:

I get a lot of my recipes from http://www.chowstalker.com. I like that site because it basically aggregates the recipes from other health recipe sites. Just click on the Whole30 tab.

Changes I've noticed since becoming paleo: fewer allergies, eczema has cleared up a great deal, lost lbs, lost inches around my waist and hips, I sleep better, I'm not in a fog all the time, etc.

Just remember to eat before and after working out.

This is a long, but good read - http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2010/10/04/the-beginners-guide-to-the-paleo-diet/

Like someone else said, just search it and you'll get a ton of results.

Good luck!

BullletproofPaleoman

There is a 2 minute video on YouTube called Aprilmeals by artdevany. It's a slide show of his meals. Plus, there is some relaxing accoustic guitar background music. Good luck!

srobinson84

Gnolls.org is another great site for the primal variation I like marksdailyapple.com as well. I love eating this way, I will continue doing it the rest of my life.

KS_4691

YUMMY. Love it. It's wonderful.

agulamali

I'm a fan of Paleo but I've found it's better for a sedentary lifestyle. If you do a lot of intense anaerobic training, you'll need more carbs. One school of thought is to add back in gluten-free carbs such as rice and starchy vegetables to support rigorous strength training instead of going 100% Paleo. It all depends on your activity level.

jalara

I started with the Whole 30 and then sort of relaxed into Paleo when we were done. It made for a good introduction and also meant that all the super nasty stuff was cut out of our eating plan at the same time. Started Jan 1 and down 16lbs and never had more energy! Even my energy when running on the treadmill has skyrocketed. Highly recommend

73Freckles

i need to look into this! my son has colitis and this might be good for him. i've never heard of this. *excuse me while I crawl out from underneath my rock!!

sara1077

Bump for future reference. I am under a rock like 73freckles!

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pfgaytriot

I'm a fan of Paleo but I've found it's better for a sedentary lifestyle. If you do a lot of intense anaerobic training, you'll need more carbs. One school of thought is to add back in gluten-free carbs such as rice and starchy vegetables to support rigorous strength training instead of going 100% Paleo. It all depends on your activity level.

Lots and lots and lots of people will very strongly disagree with you on that. I lift heavy and work hard and do not feel I need any processed carbs other than what I get from veggies and fruit.

^This. While my work is sedentary, I am not in other aspects of my life. I lift heavy weights and eat paleo. I also know many who are into crossfit that eat a strictly paleo diet.

Lupercalia

I'm a fan of Paleo but I've found it's better for a sedentary lifestyle. If you do a lot of intense anaerobic training, you'll need more carbs. One school of thought is to add back in gluten-free carbs such as rice and starchy vegetables to support rigorous strength training instead of going 100% Paleo. It all depends on your activity level.

Lots and lots and lots of people will very strongly disagree with you on that. I lift heavy and work hard and do not feel I need any processed carbs other than what I get from veggies and fruit.

Yeah, I disagree as well....I'm doing fine without rice and white potatoes. xx

Andrea681

I love eating PALEO!!! I started very slowly. First by cutting out sugar, then dairy, then grains. Now I hardly miss those things. I am always full and never have to deprive myself. It's great. Feel free to add me as a friend so we can support each other. I find a lot of my "how-tos" on Pinterest and then just add my own spin the recipes. It helps that I love to cook.

fiferize

So one of my doctors tells me that the diet I am on is like that one. It's JJ Virgin Diet. Look her up and see what she has to say. I pretty much stick to fresh fruit, vegies and lean cuts of meat! It's kind of boring, but it's working!!!

gurlnlifemag

I've been on Paleo since the beginning of the year and I have never felt better in my life. I was having a lot of issues with dairy, wheat, and stratchy foods, so once I started doing Paleo all those issues disappeared. It's not hard to do. I love having steak and salad for breakfast :happy:

etoiles_argentees

Just sty away from IF -

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Home » Blog » Shattering the Myth of Fasting for Women: A Review of Female-Specific Responses to Fasting in the Literature

One of the more esoteric but much beloved tools in the paleo dieter’s tool-kit is intermittent fasting. Intermittent fasting is the practice of maintaining overall caloric intake while consuming those calories in fewer meals or in reduced time windows. Some examples include 10, 8, or 5 hour eating windows throughout the day, or perhaps eating just two meals each day: one in the morning, and one at night. The evolutionary premise is that humans evolved to optimize their health under less-than-optimal conditions. Fasting may have played a significant role in ancestral human physiology.

The modern-day scientific correlate appears promising, too. Most people are aware that a calorie-restricted diet has the ability not just to decrease body weight but also to lengthen a human life. Emerging research is beginning to show, however, that intermittent fasting is just as effective as calorie restriction in ensuring these health benefits, and amazingly enough without any of the psychological crippling side effects practitioners of calorie-restriction often experience.
Intermittent fasting also may benefit the fight against cancer, the ubiquity of diabetes, and individuals’ immune function. Here is another excellent, up-to-date review. It is wholly understandable that fasting is all the rage these days.
Sort of.
I have a specific interest in intermittent fasting because of what I have witnessed in women in the PfW community. Many women find that with intermittent fasting comes sleeplessness, anxiety, and irregular periods, among a myriad of other symptoms hormone dysregulations. I have also personally experienced metabolic distress as a result of fasting, which is evidenced by my interest in hypocretin neurons. Hypocretin neurons have the ability to incite energetic wakefulness, and to prevent a person from falling asleep, should his body detect a “starved” state. Hypocretin neurons are one way in which intermittent fasting may dysregulate a woman’s system.

Because of all these experiences I was having myself and hearing about in others, I undertook investigating both a) the fasting literature that paleo fasting advocates refer to, and b) the literature that exists out in the metabolic and reproductive research worlds.

What I found is that the research articles cited by Mark’s Daily Apple (and others), focus on health benefits such as cancer-fighting properties, insulin sensitivity, and immune function. These phenomena are not guaranteed in the literature– both mice and humans don’t always lose weight, and sometimes they even gain weight with IF regimes–but more often than not significant improvements are noted in body weight and with markers such as inflammtory cytokines, HDL, LDL, triglycerides, and fasting insulin levels. This is wonderful, and I am glad these issues are being brought to greater light.
However. I was struck by what seemed like an egregious sex-based oversight in that MDA post I linked to above. MDA cites this article as a “great overview” of the health benefits of intermittent fasting. This startled me because the article MDA cited was for me one of the strongest proponents of sex-specific differences in response to fasting. This occurred in two striking areas: a) women in studies covered by the review did not experience increased insulin sensitivity with IF regimes and b) women actually experienced a decrease in glucose tolerance. These two phenomena mean that women’s metabolisms suffered from IF. The men’s metabolisms on the other hand improved with IF across the board. Recall that the review was reported by MDA as “a great overview of benefits [of IF].”

Secondly, In another fasting post at MDA, of which there are many, the health benefits of fasting are listed and reviewed, but the sex-specific aspects of the hormonal response went unmentioned, and reproduction/fertility/menstrual health wasn’t mentioned at all. This is not to say that Mark is not attentive to who should and who should not be fasting. He knows very well and cautions people against the dangers of fasting while stressed. Still, the mere fact of being more sensitive to the strains of fasting simply by being a woman is, I would assert, pretty important for a woman who is contemplating or already practicing IF. This goes nearly unmentioned in the blogosphere.
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Beyond reporting biases in the blogosphere, there remains an even greater problem (perhaps even the cause of the blogosphere reporting bias) of a significant testing bias in the fasting literature. Searching “men” + “intermittent fasting” in a Harvard article database yields 71 peer-reviewed articles. Searching “women” yields 13, none of which are a) solely about women b) controlled studies or c) about more than body weight or cardiovascular benefits. The animal studies are more equitable, but also a bit less applicable to human studies.
It is well-known in both the research and the nutritional communities that caloric restriction is horrible for female reproductive health. This is not news. But what of fasting regimes? Should women go long periods without eating, even if maintaining normal caloric input?
The few studies that exist point towards no.
It’s not definitive, since the literature is so sparse, and it necessarily differs for women who are overweight versus normal weight (and who have different genetic makeups regardless), but when it comes to hormones, women of reproductive age may do well to err on the side of caution with fasting.
What follows first is a brief review of what can be gleaned in sex-specific responses to fasting in animal studies. Afterwards is what has been concluded by the few relevant human studies.
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Mice and Rats
First up is a study that demonstrates the hippocampal changes of calorie restriction and intermittent fasting (alternate day fasting, with ad libitum eating on feeding days) for both male and female rats. The basic premise is this: in a “starvation” state certain brain changes parallel behavioral changes. The study found that they were different for male and female rats. For male rats the change in hippocampus size, hippocampal gene expression, and ambulatory behavior was the same no matter what kind of restricted diet they were on, but for female rats, the degree of change in brain chemistry and in behavior was directly proportional to degree of calorie intake, demonstrating the unique sensitivity of female rats to the starvation response.

“ The organization of the females’ response to the energy restricted diets is suggestive of some underlying mechanism that may allow for an organized, pre-programmed, response to enhance survival in times of food scarcity. Comparatively, the males’ genetic response was less specific, suggesting that the males respond to a general stressor but they seem to lack the ability to discriminate between a high energy and low energy stressor.”

Moreover, “IF down-regulated many gene pathways in males including those involved in protein degradation and apoptosis, but up-regulated many gene pathways in females including those involved in cellular energy metabolism (glycolysis, gluconeogenesis, pentose phosphate pathway, electron transport and PGC1-α), cell cycle regulation and protein deacetylation.” In this study, both male and female rats gained small amounts of weight on IF diets.
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For female rats, even in the most innocuous form of restriction–intermittent fasting–significant physiological changes take place. Male rats do not experience as dramatic hippocampal and general brain chemistry change as female rats do, and their behaviors, specifically their cognition and their dirunal and nocturnal activity, do not change. Female rats, on the other hand, “masculinize.” They stop ovulating and menstruating. They become hyper-alert, have better memories, and are more energetic during the periods in which they are supposed to be sleep. Theoretically, according to these researchers, this is an adaptive response to starvation. The more the female rats need calories– or at least the more their bodies detect a “starvation” state– the more they develop traits that will help them find food. They get smart, they get active, and they stop sleeping.
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In a follow-up study conducted by the same researchers who explored the masculinzation of female rats, the researchers analyzed the gonadal transcription of male and female rats subjected to IF regimes. They found that male reproductivity up-regulate in response to the metabolic stress, and that the female reproductivity down-regulated. In response to the female rats become infertile and masculinized, male rats become more fertile. In the researchers’ own words: “our data show that at the level of gonadal gene responses, the male rats on the IF regime adapt to their environment in a manner that is expected to increase the probability of eventual fertilization of females that the males predict are likely to be sub-fertile due to their perception of a food deficient environment.”
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In the final relevant IF rat study I could find, researchers subjected rats to the same diets– to 20 and 40 percent CR diets, as well as to alternate-day fasting diets, and monitored them over the long term for hormonal responses. The results were striking. Below is the abstract in full because it’s so powerful:

Females and males typically play different roles in survival of the species and would be expected to respond differently to food scarcity or excess. To elucidate the physiological basis of sex differences in responses to energy intake, we maintained groups of male and female rats for 6 months on diets with usual, reduced [20% and 40% caloric restriction (CR), and intermittent fasting (IF)], or elevated (high-fat/high-glucose) energy levels and measured multiple physiological variables related to reproduction, energy metabolism, and behavior. In response to 40% CR, females became emaciated, ceased cycling, underwent endocrine masculinization, exhibited a heightened stress response, increased their spontaneous activity, improved their learning and memory, and maintained elevated levels of circulating brain-derived neurotrophic factor. In contrast, males on 40% CR maintained a higher body weight than the 40% CR females and did not change their activity levels as significantly as the 40% CR females. Additionally, there was no significant change in the cognitive ability of the males on the 40% CR diet. Males and females exhibited similar responses of circulating lipids (cholesterols/triglycerides) and energy-regulating hormones (insulin, leptin, adiponectin, ghrelin) to energy restriction, with the changes being quantitatively greater in males. The high-fat/high-glucose diet had no significant effects on most variables measured but adversely affected the reproductive cycle in females. Heightened cognition and motor activity, combined with reproductive shutdown, in females may maximize the probability of their survival during periods of energy scarcity and may be an evolutionary basis for the vulnerability of women to anorexia nervosa.
They also found this:

The weight of the adrenal gland was similar in rats on all diets; however, when normalized to body weight CR and IF diets caused a relative increase in adrenal size, the magnitude of which was greater in females, compared with males.
And this:
The testicular weight was unaffected by any of the diets. In contrast, both CR diets and the IF diet caused a decrease in the size of the ovaries.
And this, bearing in mind that “daytime” for nocturnal rats is “nighttime” for humans:
The daytime activity of females was doubled in response to IF, whereas the IF diet did not affect the activity level of males. Nighttime activity levels of males and females were unaffected by dietary energy restriction.

And this:
Uterine activity was monitored daily with vaginal smear tests; cyclicity was scored as regular, irregular, or absent. The mild energy-restriction diets (20% CR and IF) significantly increased the proportion of animals displaying irregular cycling patterns, whereas the 40% CR animals displayed an almost complete loss of estrous cyclicity.
And this:

In males, corticosterone levels were elevated only in response to the 40% CR diet, whereas in females corticosterone levels were significantly elevated in response to all three energy-restriction diets, suggesting a relative hyperactivation in females of the adrenal stress response to reduced energy availability.

For lipids, all the rats did well: “Collectively, these data suggest that atherogenic profiles of both males and females are improved by dietary energy restriction.” Interestingly, too, as they pointed out in the abstract, human females also perform cognitively much “better” (memory and alertness) on CR and IF diets than on normal feeding schedules.
Some caveats to this study: A) They are rats. They are somewhat “metabolically morbid” rats, which may make them more susceptible to disease. C) The rats were allowed to eat ad libitum on the IF days, but they simply did not meet their caloric requirements this way. So while it is a somewhat natural form of IF, it is still calorically reduced, such that that must be taken into account when gasping in horror at the hormonal responses of IF-ing female rats.
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The Few Human Studies
I mentioned above that through the same review that MDA used as a “great overview” of IF benefits I found harmful metabolic effects for women subjected to alternate-day fasting regimes. This is the study:

Heilbronn et al found that with IF insulin sensitivity improved in men (21 participants) but not in women (20 participants): after three weeks of alternate day fasting, insulin response to a test meal was reduced in men. Women experienced no significant change. “It is interesting that this effect on insulin sensitivity occurred only in male subjects,” they report.
The IF regime, moreover, was not just neutral for women but was downright harmful, specifically with respect to glucose tolerance:
“Another diabetes risk factor that has shown a sex-specific effect is glucose tolerance. After 3 weeks of ADF, women but not men had an increase in the area under the glucose curve. This unfavorable effect on glucose tolerance in women, accompanied by an apparent lack of an effect on insulin sensitivity, suggests that short-term ADF may be more beneficial in men than in women in reducing type 2 diabetes risk. ” The opening line of their discussion reads: “Alternate day fasting may adversely affect glucose tolerance in nonobese women but not in nonobese men.”

In a follow up study, Heibron et. al studied the effects of alternate-day fasting on cardiovascular risk. When human subjects fasted on alternate days for another three week period, circulating concentrations of HDL cholesterol increased, whereas triacylglycerol concentrations decreased. This is a good thing. However, the shifts in lipid concentrations were shown to be sex specific: ie, only the women had an increase in HDL-cholesterol concentrations, and only the men had a decrease in triacylglycerol concentrations.

The most recent review of IF agrees with my conclusion: sex-specific differences in metabolism exist and need to be studied further.

This study of alternate day fasting included 12 women and 4 men. In eight weeks, body weight decreased by about 10 pounds, and body fat percentage decreased from 45 to 42. Blood pressure decreased, total cholesterol, LDL cholesterol, and traicylglycerol decreased. These people were significantly obese, which limits the results of this study to an obese population. However, “perimenopausal women were excluded from the study, and postmenopausal women (absence of menses for >2 y) were required to maintain their current hormone replacement therapy regimen for the duration of the study.” (Their words, my emphasis)
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The one, big study of intermittent fasting conducted on men and women looked at differences between isocaloric feeding schedules: 3 meals/day feeding versus 1 meal/day.

The study focused on body weight composition, blood pressure, and body temperature in subjects. Subjects were fed isocalorically either one meal each day or three meals each day. All subjects were between 40 and 50 years old (excluding women of reproductive age), and between BMIs of 18 and 25. They ate, so far as I can tell, a healthy diet with 35 percent fat, PUFA < MUFA < SFA. Only 15 of the original 69 completed the study. As for the results,

“Systolic and diastolic blood pressures were significantly lowered by ≈6% during the period when subjects were consuming 3 meals/d than when they were consuming 1 meal/d. No significant differences in heart rate and body temperature were observed between the 2 diet regimens. Hunger was enormously larger in the one meal/day than in the three meals/day group. ”The 1 meal/d diet was significantly higher for hunger (P = 0.003), desire to eat (P = 0.004), and prospective consumption (P = 0.006) than was the 3 meals/d diet. Feelings of fullness were significantly (P = 0.001) lower in the 1 meal/d than in the 3 meals/diet.” Body weight dropped only four pounds after several months. Cortisol dropped, but Total, LDL, and HDL cholesterol were 11.7%, 16.8%, and 8.4% higher, respectively, in subjects consuming 1 meal/d than in those consuming 3 meals/d.
In sum: patients on the one meal/day regiment were unhappy, hungry, lost a little bit of weight, increased cholesterol. This was a small sample, included ~menopausal women, and all people of normal body weight.
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All that being said, that’s it. That’s all that exists. Women don’t have much to go on. First, a couple of rodent studies have looked at alternate-day fasting for male and female rats and found significant negative hormonal changes occurring in the females. Second, human studies on alternate day fasting have not been conducted on women of reproductive age at all, nor have any studies analyzed reproductive responses to fasting. Third, the few studies that have been conducted on non-obese women have demonstrated that their metabolic responses are not nearly as robust as those of men, and may in fact be antagonistic to their health.

This post has focused on sex-specific responses to fasting. Another important distinction to make is between different body weights. Overweight and obese patients appear to experience significant improvements with IF regimes, but normal weight patients do not show the same across-the-board benefits. For women this may be a particularly sensitive issue. Overweight women may experience metabolic benefits, whereas normal weight women do not. I suspect that that may roughly be the case, but who knows. Honestly, no one.

The solution, then, in moving forward, is to look at options, to be honest about priorities, and to listen to one’s body with awareness and love. Is fasting worth trying if a woman is overweight and trying to improve her metabolic markers, and so far hasn’t had much success? Perhaps. Should it be undertaken if a woman is of normal weight? What if she is a light sleeper? What if her periods begin to dysregulate? Or stop? What if she starts getting acne, getting a stronger appetite, or losing her appetite altogether? These things happen, and I see them in women who fast and contact me time and time again.[/uote]

Homeschoolingmommy

I just started reading "Practical Paleo" and it is a major eye opener to the crap we've all been duped into eating! I plan to change my whole family over to Primal/Paleo, including my kids! I highly recommend the book!

jamieeas

I am working on going mostly Paleo. I've given up all the processed sugars and grains, but I still like dairy. I like yogurt, cheese, and the like. That being said, I've lost 5lbs this week with the changes I've made. I also do protein shakes because I've started lifting heavy. I'm also diabetic (type 2 from several years of horrible eating habits and laziness) and I have finally succeeded in getting off insulin. From 4 shots a day to 1, and now I just take an oral medication. Paleo is definitely worth it.