Meat labeling trickery, Must read
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Something like 60% of the energy/calories in a serving of “80% lean” ground meat is comprised of fat. Why is this??? The “93% lean” ground meat at my grocery store comprises about 40 percent of its calories as calories from fat....Why is this? Labeling trickery.....why is this?
This trickery has caused me to look toward veggies as a protein source.
My most lean meats are all around 15% of its calories/energy from fat...my butterball grilled chicken strips, my bumblebee tuna, my Swanson canned chicken breasts, my Hillshire farm lunch meat at 50 calories per 2 oz of meat is at about 15% calories/energy from fat....so why is ground red meat being labeled as "95% lean" or "85% lean" when what they should be saying is 40% fat or 60% fat?....
Reese’s peanut butter cups comprise about 45% of its calories/energy from fat....so I guess a candy bar is a leaner food than most ground red meat.....???
Something is wrong here….either red meat is way more unhealthy than I thought or my “Lean meats” (listed above) are not as healthy as I thought, or both….
I just checked, my “Swanson white premium chunk chicken breast” in a can states 98% fat free on the front label of the can, on the nutrition facts label it states 60 calories per serving and fat calories as 10….ok let’s do that math…10 divided by 60 = .1666667 or 16 %....so 16 percent of the energy I get from my Swanson canned chicken is energy from fat…..16% of the calories consumed are fat calories!!!! So why does it say that it is 98% fat free on the front label????
People who label meat are trying to trick us....
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This trickery has caused me to look toward veggies as a protein source.
My most lean meats are all around 15% of its calories/energy from fat...my butterball grilled chicken strips, my bumblebee tuna, my Swanson canned chicken breasts, my Hillshire farm lunch meat at 50 calories per 2 oz of meat is at about 15% calories/energy from fat....so why is ground red meat being labeled as "95% lean" or "85% lean" when what they should be saying is 40% fat or 60% fat?....
Reese’s peanut butter cups comprise about 45% of its calories/energy from fat....so I guess a candy bar is a leaner food than most ground red meat.....???
Something is wrong here….either red meat is way more unhealthy than I thought or my “Lean meats” (listed above) are not as healthy as I thought, or both….
I just checked, my “Swanson white premium chunk chicken breast” in a can states 98% fat free on the front label of the can, on the nutrition facts label it states 60 calories per serving and fat calories as 10….ok let’s do that math…10 divided by 60 = .1666667 or 16 %....so 16 percent of the energy I get from my Swanson canned chicken is energy from fat…..16% of the calories consumed are fat calories!!!! So why does it say that it is 98% fat free on the front label????
People who label meat are trying to trick us....
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shouldnt the canned chicken say 84% fat free???0
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1 gram of carbs, 1 gram of protein and 1 gram of fat have different calories.
When it says that your ground beef is 80% lean that means that in a 100gram serving max. 20grams of fat are allowed.
It does not mean that 20% of the calories are from fat because fat has more calories per gram than protein.0 -
1 gram of carbs, 1 gram of protein and 1 gram of fat have different calories.
When it says that your ground beef is 80% lean that means that in a 100gram serving max. 20grams of fat are allowed.
It does not mean that 20% of the calories are from fat because fat has more calories per gram than protein.
so then the canned chicken should be labeled on the front that it is about 92% lean??? because a gram of fat at 9 cals per gram has about twice as many calories as a gram of carb or protein at 4 cals per gram....so even if i divide my 16% in half it is still only 8%, not the 2% that the front label would have me belive...
Mystery still not solved!!!
Can anyone solve this mystery???0 -
i think the word "LEAN" when used to describe meat is being used as a standard of visual inspection....for example, if you show me a t-bone steak and ask me what percentage of the steak is fat i might say that 10% of the steak is fat because i visually *kitten* the fat content around the edges or the marbeling through out the steak....that same steak is likely somewhere around 50% of its calories from fat0
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What Dee said. According to the USDA nutrition data:
100grams of 90% lean ground beef = 20g protein, roughly and 10g fat, roughly. The rest is non-macro-applying tissues/water/etc.
20g protein = 80 calories
10g fat = 90 calories
Total calories (of all calorie makers) = 176
Fat ratio in calories (to protein) = 51%
Fat ratio in grams (to total grams of meat) = 10%0 -
A couple of things of note, since Dee covered the percentage stuff.
Getting protein from veggies is not the same as getting protein from animal sources. Even soy is nowhere near as soluble and therefore useful as animal protein for use in the human body. Your body prefers animal protein when it comes to most of its functional uses. Its why you will never, ever see a vegetarian with significant muscle composition.
Second, depending on what the fat composition is (and 80/20 is a no-no entirely for healthy minded folks, mainly because of the massive serving of saturated fat), it can be okay. Especially as a male, you NEED dietary fat to ensure proper testosterone and other hormone regulation/production/release. Granted, you can over do it, but if you're keeping fat intake at around 30% of your daily caloric intake, you're probably pretty close to where you need to be.
Lets take a look, for comparison sake, at a 4 ounce serving of 93/7 vs 80/20 ground beef.
Calories 170
Total Fat 8 g
-Saturated 3 g
Potassium 449 mg
Total Carbs 0 g
Protein 23 g
Cholesterol 65 mg
Calories 231
Total Fat 15 g
-Saturated 6 g
-Monounsaturated 7 g
Trans 1 g
Potassium 323 mg
Total Carbs 0 g
Protein 23 g
Cholesterol 76 mg
So, a solid 23 grams of protein in each. But, when you look at the 80/20, you nearly double in total fat as well as saturated fat. Additionally, you lose some valuable potassium. Red meat gets a bad rap, but if you stick with the leaner cuts, 93/7 or better, it really does have a lot of value and can be largely beneficial.0 -
What Dee said. According to the USDA nutrition data:
100grams of 90% lean ground beef = 20g protein, roughly and 10g fat, roughly. The rest is non-macro-applying tissues/water/etc.
20g protein = 80 calories
10g fat = 90 calories
Total calories (of all calorie makers) = 176
Fat ratio in calories (to protein) = 51%
Fat ratio in grams (to total grams of meat) = 10%
tghe math still does not add up....even if your talking 20 grams of protein and 10 grams of fat for a total of 30 grams then 10 divided 30 is still 33% fat, not "10% LEAN" or the "51%" you suggested....
Mystery still not solved...
Make the math work
Can anyone solve this mystery????0 -
Its why you will never, ever see a vegetarian with significant muscle composition.
Except, you know, all the ones who exist...
http://www.veganstrength.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/joel.jpg
http://cdn8.veganweightlifting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/kenWilliams-200x300.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vkkmMJqRdvI/T2zGybt6fsI/AAAAAAAADV8/7but1wz2Zn4/s1600/Vegan+body+builder.jpg
http://oi40.tinypic.com/3309sv7.jpg0 -
The percentage is by weight not calories.0
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What Dee said. According to the USDA nutrition data:
100grams of 90% lean ground beef = 20g protein, roughly and 10g fat, roughly. The rest is non-macro-applying tissues/water/etc.
20g protein = 80 calories
10g fat = 90 calories
Total calories (of all calorie makers) = 176
Fat ratio in calories (to protein) = 51%
Fat ratio in grams (to total grams of meat) = 10%
tghe math still does not add up....even if your talking 20 grams of protein and 10 grams of fat for a total of 30 grams then 10 divided 30 is still 33% fat, not "10% LEAN" or the "51%" you suggested....
Mystery still not solved...
Make the math work
Can anyone solve this mystery????
It's because you're not doing basic math right.
Again:
10grams of fat in 100grams of meat = 10% fat or "90% lean"
100grams of 90% lean meat = abut 176 calories
10grams of fat = 90 calories
fat cal : total cal ratio = 51%
The meat by grams is 10% and therefor the meat is 90% lean.
The meat by calories is 51% fat.0 -
Its why you will never, ever see a vegetarian with significant muscle composition.
Except, you know, all the ones who exist...
http://www.veganstrength.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/joel.jpg
http://cdn8.veganweightlifting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/kenWilliams-200x300.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vkkmMJqRdvI/T2zGybt6fsI/AAAAAAAADV8/7but1wz2Zn4/s1600/Vegan+body+builder.jpg
http://oi40.tinypic.com/3309sv7.jpg
You beat me to it! I'll add Marzia Prince to the list though... http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/Marzia/0 -
What Dee said. According to the USDA nutrition data:
100grams of 90% lean ground beef = 20g protein, roughly and 10g fat, roughly. The rest is non-macro-applying tissues/water/etc.
20g protein = 80 calories
10g fat = 90 calories
Total calories (of all calorie makers) = 176
Fat ratio in calories (to protein) = 51%
Fat ratio in grams (to total grams of meat) = 10%
tghe math still does not add up....even if your talking 20 grams of protein and 10 grams of fat for a total of 30 grams then 10 divided 30 is still 33% fat, not "10% LEAN" or the "51%" you suggested....
Mystery still not solved...
Make the math work
Can anyone solve this mystery????
Try reading it again. It's all there.0 -
What Dee said. According to the USDA nutrition data:
100grams of 90% lean ground beef = 20g protein, roughly and 10g fat, roughly. The rest is non-macro-applying tissues/water/etc.
20g protein = 80 calories
10g fat = 90 calories
Total calories (of all calorie makers) = 176
Fat ratio in calories (to protein) = 51%
Fat ratio in grams (to total grams of meat) = 10%
tghe math still does not add up....even if your talking 20 grams of protein and 10 grams of fat for a total of 30 grams then 10 divided 30 is still 33% fat, not "10% LEAN" or the "51%" you suggested....
Mystery still not solved...
Make the math work
Can anyone solve this mystery????
It's because you're not doing basic math right.
Again:
10grams of fat in 100grams of meat = 10% fat or "90% lean"
100grams of 90% lean meat = abut 176 calories
10grams of fat = 90 calories
fat cal : total cal ratio = 51%
The meat by grams is 10% and therefor the meat is 90% lean.
The meat by calories is 51% fat.
you said above that it has 30 grams in total, 10from fat and 20 from protein for a total of 30 grams, 10 of thoes 30 grams are fat so that means that by weight 33% of the "macro-applying tissues" is fat....this web site is about counting calories and macros right???
the labeling is dishonest and makes meat appear 4-6 times less fatty and leaner than it actually is0 -
It's because you're not doing basic math right.
Again:
10grams of fat in 100grams of meat = 10% fat or "90% lean"
100grams of 90% lean meat = abut 176 calories
10grams of fat = 90 calories
fat cal : total cal ratio = 51%
The meat by grams is 10% and therefor the meat is 90% lean.
The meat by calories is 51% fat.
Very Nice!!!0 -
troll poster is a troll0
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What Dee said. According to the USDA nutrition data:
100grams of 90% lean ground beef = 20g protein, roughly and 10g fat, roughly. The rest is non-macro-applying tissues/water/etc.
20g protein = 80 calories
10g fat = 90 calories
Total calories (of all calorie makers) = 176
Fat ratio in calories (to protein) = 51%
Fat ratio in grams (to total grams of meat) = 10%
tghe math still does not add up....even if your talking 20 grams of protein and 10 grams of fat for a total of 30 grams then 10 divided 30 is still 33% fat, not "10% LEAN" or the "51%" you suggested....
Mystery still not solved...
Make the math work
Can anyone solve this mystery????
Try reading it again. It's all there.
Exactly. Meat does not only consist of protein and fat. There's also water in it that adds to the weight but not to the calories.
Maybe you mix up 80% lean with 80% protein?! Which is not the case for meat.0 -
why doesnt the label just say 49% lean if its 51% fat???? ...its just dishonest and misleading.....what if i said i was 90 percent lean??? would you assume i had 10% body fat or would you assume i had 51% body fat??? these numbers are radically different....im not splitting hairs here0
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What Dee said. According to the USDA nutrition data:
100grams of 90% lean ground beef = 20g protein, roughly and 10g fat, roughly. The rest is non-macro-applying tissues/water/etc.
20g protein = 80 calories
10g fat = 90 calories
Total calories (of all calorie makers) = 176
Fat ratio in calories (to protein) = 51%
Fat ratio in grams (to total grams of meat) = 10%
tghe math still does not add up....even if your talking 20 grams of protein and 10 grams of fat for a total of 30 grams then 10 divided 30 is still 33% fat, not "10% LEAN" or the "51%" you suggested....
Mystery still not solved...
Make the math work
Can anyone solve this mystery????
It's because you're not doing basic math right.
Again:
10grams of fat in 100grams of meat = 10% fat or "90% lean"
100grams of 90% lean meat = abut 176 calories
10grams of fat = 90 calories
fat cal : total cal ratio = 51%
The meat by grams is 10% and therefor the meat is 90% lean.
The meat by calories is 51% fat.
you said above that it has 30 grams in total, 10from fat and 20 from protein for a total of 30 grams, 10 of thoes 30 grams are fat so that means that by weight 33% of the "macro-applying tissues" is fat....this web site is about counting calories and macros right???
the labeling is dishonest and makes meat appear 4-6 times less fatty and leaner than it actually is
No, go back and read again.
There are 100 grams total equaling 176 calories.
10 of them are fat = 90 calories
20 of them are protein = 80 calories
90/176 = 51% calories from fat0 -
What Dee said. According to the USDA nutrition data:
100grams of 90% lean ground beef = 20g protein, roughly and 10g fat, roughly. The rest is non-macro-applying tissues/water/etc.
20g protein = 80 calories
10g fat = 90 calories
Total calories (of all calorie makers) = 176
Fat ratio in calories (to protein) = 51%
Fat ratio in grams (to total grams of meat) = 10%
tghe math still does not add up....even if your talking 20 grams of protein and 10 grams of fat for a total of 30 grams then 10 divided 30 is still 33% fat, not "10% LEAN" or the "51%" you suggested....
Mystery still not solved...
Make the math work
Can anyone solve this mystery????
It's because you're not doing basic math right.
Again:
10grams of fat in 100grams of meat = 10% fat or "90% lean"
100grams of 90% lean meat = abut 176 calories
10grams of fat = 90 calories
fat cal : total cal ratio = 51%
The meat by grams is 10% and therefor the meat is 90% lean.
The meat by calories is 51% fat.
you said above that it has 30 grams in total, 10from fat and 20 from protein for a total of 30 grams, 10 of thoes 30 grams are fat so that means that by weight 33% of the "macro-applying tissues" is fat....this web site is about counting calories and macros right???
the labeling is dishonest and makes meat appear 4-6 times less fatty and leaner than it actually is
They said there are 100 grams total, which 20 of them are protein, and 10 of them are fat, and the rest is non-macro-applying tissues/water/etc. It really isn't that hard to figure out.0 -
Its why you will never, ever see a vegetarian with significant muscle composition.
Except, you know, all the ones who exist...
http://www.veganstrength.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/joel.jpg
http://cdn8.veganweightlifting.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/kenWilliams-200x300.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vkkmMJqRdvI/T2zGybt6fsI/AAAAAAAADV8/7but1wz2Zn4/s1600/Vegan+body+builder.jpg
http://oi40.tinypic.com/3309sv7.jpg
I call shenanigans.0 -
why doesnt the label just say 49% lean if its 51% fat???? ...its just dishonest and misleading.....what if i said i was 90 percent lean??? would you assume i had 10% body fat or would you assume i had 51% body fat??? these numbers are radically different....im not splitting hairs here
They are going by grams. Going.by.grams.
The body fat comparison doesn't apply in any way shape or form because body fat is always a ratio of tissue composition, not a conversion from grams to calories.0 -
why doesnt the label just say 49% lean if its 51% fat???? ...its just dishonest and misleading.....what if i said i was 90 percent lean??? would you assume i had 10% body fat or would you assume i had 51% body fat??? these numbers are radically different....im not splitting hairs here
They are going by grams. Going.by.grams.
The body fat comparison doesn't apply in any way shape or form because body fat is always a ratio of tissue composition, not a conversion from grams to calories.
ok i get your math now i was not accpunting for the other 70 grams of non-macro material thats in red meat....so in other words when deciding on what to label meat they have decided to include something that does not count....the other 70 grams count for nothing, the other 70 grams are meaningless so why are they being used in the equation to determine how the food should be labeled to the public???? seem a bit crafty and dishonest yet???0 -
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Crafty, yes. Dishonest, not really. Blame the FDA for its' "labeling requirements"why doesnt the label just say 49% lean if its 51% fat???? ...its just dishonest and misleading.....what if i said i was 90 percent lean??? would you assume i had 10% body fat or would you assume i had 51% body fat??? these numbers are radically different....im not splitting hairs here
They are going by grams. Going.by.grams.
The body fat comparison doesn't apply in any way shape or form because body fat is always a ratio of tissue composition, not a conversion from grams to calories.
ok i get your math now i was not accpunting for the other 70 grams of non-macro material thats in red meat....so in other words when deciding on what to label meat they have decided to include something that does not count....the other 70 grams count for nothing, the other 70 grams are meaningless so why are they being used in the equation to determine how the food should be labeled to the public???? seem a bit crafty and dishonest yet???0 -
if i showed 100 average americans a container of ground red meat that had the label 90% lean on it, then asked the average american what percentage of the item was fat? how many of thoes 100 americans will say 51%? how many will say 10%? how many will say something completely different? when you consider the average americans that are reading these labels you must realize the label is intentionally misleading and therefore DISHONEST0
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dishonesty does not seem to bother most people.....i think most people expect to have to lie during the course of the day and most people expect or even demand to be lied to during the course of a day....0
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if i showed 100 average americans a container of ground red meat that had the label 90% lean on it, then asked the average american what percentage of the item was fat? how many of thoes 100 americans will say 51%? how many will say 10%? how many will say something completely different? when you consider the average americans that are reading these labels you must realize the label is intentionally misleading and therefore DISHONEST
we see your point
rant over?0 -
why doesnt the label just say 49% lean if its 51% fat???? ...its just dishonest and misleading.....what if i said i was 90 percent lean??? would you assume i had 10% body fat or would you assume i had 51% body fat??? these numbers are radically different....im not splitting hairs here
If you told me you had 10% body fat, I would not assume that you were 90% muscle. I would understand that the body (and the bodies of animals) are made up of other things, like lean tissue and moisture.
Seriously, worst troll thread ever.0 -
if i showed 100 average americans a container of ground red meat that had the label 90% lean on it, then asked the average american what percentage of the item was fat? how many of thoes 100 americans will say 51%? how many will say 10%? how many will say something completely different? when you consider the average americans that are reading these labels you must realize the label is intentionally misleading and therefore DISHONEST
If somebody gave me 10oz of 2% milk and will ask me how much fat was in that, I will say 0.2oz. The label of 2% fat is not misleading.
If I buy trail mix and it says 50% peanuts, I will assume that 50% of the WEIGHT is peanuts, not that peanuts make up 50% of the calories.
Thank god, we have the nutrition facts on the label and can read and look how many calories, fat and protein a specific item has.0 -
51% of the calories are from fat. 10% of the overall product is fat. 90% lean has absolutely nothing to do with the caloroes, it's based on the weight. There is nothing intentionally misleading about it, you're making up something that isn't there.if i showed 100 average americans a container of ground red meat that had the label 90% lean on it, then asked the average american what percentage of the item was fat? how many of thoes 100 americans will say 51%? how many will say 10%? how many will say something completely different? when you consider the average americans that are reading these labels you must realize the label is intentionally misleading and therefore DISHONEST
Most normal humans understand that lean/fat ratios are based on composition, not calories.0
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