Little to no results and beyond frustrated

CristinaL1983

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11430776

This study does nothing to prove your point and, in fact, supports what I said

The present study was performed to further investigate the adaptive component of thermogenesis that appears during prolonged energy restriction. Fifteen obese men and twenty obese women underwent a 15-week weight-loss programme. During this programme, body weight and composition as well as resting energy expenditure (REE) were measured at baseline, after 2 and 8 weeks of energy restriction (-2929 kJ/d) and drug therapy (or placebo), and finally 2-4 weeks after the end of the 15-week drug therapy and energy restriction intervention, when subjects were weight stable. Regression equations were established in a control population of the same age. These equations were then used to predict REE in obese men and women at baseline, after 2 and 8 weeks, as well as after the completion of the programme. In both men and women body weight and fat mass were significantly reduced in all cases) while fat-free mass remained unchanged throughout the programme.At baseline, REE predicted from the regression equation was not significantly different from the measured REE in men, while in women the measured REE was 13 % greater than predicted. After 2 weeks of energy restriction, measured REE had fallen by 469 and 635 kJ/d more than predicted and this difference reached 963 and 614 kJ/d by week 8 of treatment in men and women respectively. Once body-weight stability was recovered at the end of the programme, changes in REE remained below predicted changes in men (-622 kJ/d). However, in women changes in predicted and measured REE were no longer different at this time, even if the women were maintaining a reduced body weight. In summary, the present results confirm the existence of adaptive thermogenesis and give objective measurements of this component during weight loss in obese men and women, while they also emphasize that in women this component seems to be essentially explained by the energy restriction.

Like I said before, there are metabolic adaptations that part is obvious but they are never so extreme as to cause weight loss to stop completely. I have spent a lot of time doing about as much research as humanly possible and can assure you that no such research exists. If it did it would be huge news. Perpetual energy would be fantastic. Also, yes research is conducted on people who are involved in strength training and cardio exercises. The Minnesota Starvation Experiment was conducted on a group of lean men who were taken on strenuous marches and put into extreme circumstances to study starvation for 6 months. The data supports two methods of thermogenic adaptation but still, these men never stopped losing weight (even when starved to the point of severe psychosis and edema).

I'm not suggesting that starvation is good, obviously. I am also not suggesting that the OP shouldn't eat more. All I am saying is that eating too little isn't the problem.

dangerxbadger

All of my dumb. I misread that article. I'm grounding myself from the forums for tonight.

CristinaL1983

All of my dumb. I misread that article. I'm grounding myself from the forums for tonight.

I'm not trying to be an a-hole or insist OP shouldn't eat more, I'm just trying to suggest that she evaluate her methods of measuring food/ evaluating calories before deciding to do that.

Just tonight I almost picked the wrong entry for one of my foods (frozen meatballs) out of 7 entries for the same brand and exact same style only one was correct. All the others had the portion size doubled or the calories almost halved.

There are definitely issues with eating lower calories including sustainability, ability to get proper nutrients (if one isn't careful), and ability for the body to use LBM instead of fat for fuel if appropriate macros aren't hit and strength training isn't conducted. So I think that if people feel like they should eat more and they can do that and still lose weight, more power to them. However, when people eat back most of their exercise calories, they are usually pretty close to TDEE -20% anyway and so I think that taking a good look at your diary is a good place to start.

Like I said, whatever works for someone is good, but the knee jerk reaction around here to tell people they need to eat more isn't based in real science.