Why Am I Still Hungry ???

Willowana · April 2013

I agree with everything on the webmd page, other than slide 6. I don't have the studies handy (on my phone), but there are dozens that have proven repeatedly that eating does not provide a viable boost to metabolism. The book 'Eat Stop Eat' alone is full of them.

As to the second, do you understand how small an overall impact that 'increase' is? As I said, ten jumping jacks would surpass it...as does the hormonal response of actually having an empty stomach for awhile each day.

The other thing you're assuming is that raised insulin levels are a bad thing when it comes to fat loss. This is false. Consistently raised insulin levels would be bad, but when consuming 1-2 large meals of an afternoon/evening, versus 4-6 small meals throughout the day...my peak insulin response level is absolutely higher. However...my average insulin response level is substantially lower. AND I get to have a couple of full, satisfying meals every day .

Something to think about there.

Another thing to think about...many bodybuilders (and understand, I'm glad your friends method is working for you!) are slaves to the antiquated methods developed by their mentors, and theirs before them. On top of that...bodybuilders in general have an entirely different mindset than your average dieter. What they are willing to do in order to improve their physiques is often uncomfortable, and sometimes even actually unhealthy.

In contrast, here's a look at a more progressive bodybuilders blog:

www.leangains.com

(ETA - I'm more than willing to agree to disagree, but discussion is so much more enjoyable, don't you think?)

Absolutely, I love discussions. I also love research, because for me, this is all about general health and well being. That's the goal; weight loss is the result. If anyone can debunk my thoughts, opinions, research, or old standbys...I fully welcome it! If I'm wrong, I got no problem admitting it. I would rather be educated than right. That's the fantastic part about these forums. There are so many schools of thought here. People like you make me question my methods, and that leads to progress.

And I DO understand your comments about bodybuilders! My mother was a bodybuilder when I was growing up, so it's an extreme lifestyle I'm very familiar with. I got into the lifestyle back in highschool before I got fat.

Coach wanted me to compete in the heavy lifting comps, but I never went through with it. It's rather addictive, to be honest. It consumed a huge chunk of my life for several years, and it's something I've missed ever since I stopped.

If you find any more links for me to check out, please send to my mail. I would be very interested in reading another perspective. And thanks for the blog link. Definitely checking it out right now.

crisanderson27 · April 2013

I agree with everything on the webmd page, other than slide 6. I don't have the studies handy (on my phone), but there are dozens that have proven repeatedly that eating does not provide a viable boost to metabolism. The book 'Eat Stop Eat' alone is full of them.

As to the second, do you understand how small an overall impact that 'increase' is? As I said, ten jumping jacks would surpass it...as does the hormonal response of actually having an empty stomach for awhile each day.

The other thing you're assuming is that raised insulin levels are a bad thing when it comes to fat loss. This is false. Consistently raised insulin levels would be bad, but when consuming 1-2 large meals of an afternoon/evening, versus 4-6 small meals throughout the day...my peak insulin response level is absolutely higher. However...my average insulin response level is substantially lower. AND I get to have a couple of full, satisfying meals every day .

Something to think about there.

Another thing to think about...many bodybuilders (and understand, I'm glad your friends method is working for you!) are slaves to the antiquated methods developed by their mentors, and theirs before them. On top of that...bodybuilders in general have an entirely different mindset than your average dieter. What they are willing to do in order to improve their physiques is often uncomfortable, and sometimes even actually unhealthy.

In contrast, here's a look at a more progressive bodybuilders blog:

www.leangains.com

(ETA - I'm more than willing to agree to disagree, but discussion is so much more enjoyable, don't you think?)

Absolutely, I love discussions. I also love research, because for me, this is all about general health and well being. That's the goal; weight loss is the result. If anyone can debunk my thoughts, opinions, research, or old standbys...I fully welcome it! If I'm wrong, I got no problem admitting it. I would rather be educated than right. That's the fantastic part about these forums. There are so many schools of thought here. People like you make me question my methods, and that leads to progress.

And I DO understand your comments about bodybuilders! My mother was a bodybuilder when I was growing up, so it's an extreme lifestyle I'm very familiar with. I got into the lifestyle back in highschool before I got fat. Coach wanted me to compete in the heavy lifting comps, but I never went through with it. It's rather addictive, to be honest. It consumed a huge chunk of my life for several years, and it's something I've missed ever since I stopped.

If you find any more links for me to check out, please send to my mail. I would be very interested in reading another perspective. And thanks for the blog link. Definitely checking it out right now.

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Willowana · April 2013

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Thank you :drinker:

BarackMeLikeAHurricane · April 2013

Snacking throughout the day kicks your metabolism in high gear (which could be why you are starving).

I like to use this analogy: Think of your metabolism like it's a small fire. If you throw a giant log on it, you'll snuff it out. If you throw only a tiny twig on it sporadically, it'll burn out. Key is to give it enough, several times a day. Whether that be 3 meals a day, or 6. However, no matter how you dice it, even if you throw one giant 1600 calorie meal on top of your metabolism... you still have a deficit and will lose weight.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to come across as rude...but this is completely 100% false. 10 jumping jacks increases your metabolism more than any meal does. Large meals don't slow your metabolism, and small meals don't increase it. If anything, the adrenalin and other hormones produced by an actual empty stomach do more to increase your metabolism (in the short term...less than 72hrs, so the studies say) than any size meal would.

Nope, I expected someone to counter that. It's an analogy that came from a bodybuilder that I know. He was giving me advice on how to lose weight. I still stick to it, and it works for me. Although, I also agree with you about exercise. That absolutely makes a difference in metabolic rates. But, I have seen a lot of research on metabolism and, I will have to friendly agree to disagree:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-boost-your-metabolism
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/81/1/16.full

crisanderson27 · April 2013

Snacking throughout the day kicks your metabolism in high gear (which could be why you are starving).

I like to use this analogy: Think of your metabolism like it's a small fire. If you throw a giant log on it, you'll snuff it out. If you throw only a tiny twig on it sporadically, it'll burn out. Key is to give it enough, several times a day. Whether that be 3 meals a day, or 6. However, no matter how you dice it, even if you throw one giant 1600 calorie meal on top of your metabolism... you still have a deficit and will lose weight.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to come across as rude...but this is completely 100% false. 10 jumping jacks increases your metabolism more than any meal does. Large meals don't slow your metabolism, and small meals don't increase it. If anything, the adrenalin and other hormones produced by an actual empty stomach do more to increase your metabolism (in the short term...less than 72hrs, so the studies say) than any size meal would.

Nope, I expected someone to counter that. It's an analogy that came from a bodybuilder that I know. He was giving me advice on how to lose weight. I still stick to it, and it works for me. Although, I also agree with you about exercise. That absolutely makes a difference in metabolic rates. But, I have seen a lot of research on metabolism and, I will have to friendly agree to disagree:

http://www.webmd.com/diet/ss/slideshow-boost-your-metabolism
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/81/1/16.full

>links to WebMD
>calls it "research"
Lol

I'll just leave these peer reviewed journals stating meal frequency/timing is irrelevant here in case you'd like to read accurate information instead of...whatever you've been reading.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11319656

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1905998

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9155494

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15085170

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8399092

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8383639

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21123467

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985

Thank you for those links!

For ther record though, I've been talking to her in PM's etc...she's incredibly open minded and more than willing to learn/discuss. It's actually been very refreshing to talk to someone who is so open to other points of view!!

manda1978 · April 2013

I'd try eating 5-6 smaller meals a day, or 3 meals and 2-3 snacks and see if that helps

Willowana · April 2013

Thank you for those links!

For ther record though, I've been talking to her in PM's etc...she's incredibly open minded and more than willing to learn/discuss. It's actually been very refreshing to talk to someone who is so open to other points of view!!

And just to conclude this, I'll say that crisanderson *was* able to change my mind. He provided me with enough solid information to counter what I have read, and I'm willing to accept the science behind intermittent fasting. So much so, that I'm already 12 hours into my first fast. Accidentally, of course. I got so absorbed into reading what he gave me it was almost midnight before I realized I forgot to cook dinner....lol.

Thank you, Cris for providing the chance to learn from you in a down-to-earth way. Much appreciated.

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