Sugar, sugar-HELP!

SanteMulberry

Even milk was sending me over my limit. I knew then that these settings were ridiculous lol

Milk has galactose and contributes to blood glucose levels but you don't take the metabolic hit with galactose that you do with sucrose or fructose. If you OD'd on galactose, you might get diarrhea but that's about it. Sugar (sucrose) is a whole different kettle of fish. Most of the fructose that we take in, comes from our sugar habit (sucrose is 50% fructose and 50% glucose). Fructose in the small amounts that we take in through a couple of servings of fruit is not a problem. But sugar consumption (the average American takes in 500 calories a day in added sucrose or high fructose corn syrup per day) is a real problem. Virtually all processed food contains some added sugar and a LOT of salt (I suppose they add it to cover up the too sweet taste from the added sugar). One of the problems with the "total sugar" approach that they use at MFP is that it doesn't distinguish the types of sugar. It is sucrose and fructose that must be watched. Obesity researchers suggest that obese persons (or persons trying to lose body fat) limit their fructose consumption to 15 grams or less per day. You can calculate it by hand--that's what I do. I ignore galactose or dextrose (the industry name for glucose). I generally eat lower carb anyway so high blood glucose isn't a problem for me. Interestingly, researchers have recently noted that obese folk seem to be able to efficiently convert high blood glucose into fructose! So watching total carbs is important too--especially if one is experiencing higher blood glucose levels than in the past.

I consume daily high amounts of sugar due to the amount of fruit I consume. My breakfast alone sends me skyrockting over the sugar amounts here on MFP. Regularly I am twice or triple the suggested amount here yet I lose weight perfectly fine. Fruitarians lose weight fine most times and consume incredibly large amounts of fruit everyday.

Sugar is sugar. Fructose, or sugar coming from fruit obviously comes with a lot more nutrients than refined or added sugar. I fail to see how limiting your fruit sugars will cause you to lose more weight... or gain if you are consuming a lot of fruit. I lose better now that most of my intake is fruit than I did before.

Fruitarians lose weight because they severely limit their fat intake (and the protein restriction probably causes them to lose lean body mass). But researchers recently announced that there is an association between high fructose consumption and pancreatic cancer. Steve Jobs (who died of pancreatic cancer) was, for many years a fruitarian (he even named his company after his favorite fruit, Apple Inc.). Interestingly, Ashton Kutcher, the actor selected to play Jobs in the upcoming biopic, said that the all-fruit diet that he went on (I suppose to get into character?) in preparation caused him to have "pancreatic issues". Fructose is metabolized in a way that is similar to the metabolizing of alcohol. High fructose consumption (primarily through sucrose consumption) is associated with obesity, fatty liver (liver and pancreatic issues ride together), high serum uric acid, hypertension, Type II diabetes, and renal disease. All sugars are not created equal. Fruit does appear to have SOME protective effects---probably because the high mineral content helps to prevent a lot of the demineralizing that occurs from high sugar consumption. But an all-fruit diet is a VERY bad idea.

carolynhart01

Sugar is sugar. Plain and simple. Sucralose, fructose, LACtose, High Fructose Corn Syrup. Every single one affects your system the same way by causing your body to react to them with a surge of insulin to process it. Some to varying degrees. The fiber in fruit slows it down a little that is why it is always better to eat the whole fruit rather than just juice. The protein in milk does the same. A lot of issues with weight come when you get so used to this, your insulin keeps shooting up for large amounts of sugar that you get "insulin resistant". This means you are not processing it effectivly anymore causing it to be stored as glycogen. Keep in mind that glycogen attached to water when stored you you get to carry around both.

Now granted, if your a much more active person than me this isnt and issue. I am not a marathoner. The most activity I do right now until my neck can turn again (Big old muscle spasms) is chase the kids around.

**OK, off my high horse.... I hope to not tick anyone off. I am just pretty passionate about sugar and white bread and white bread masqurading as whole wheat bread..... I had gest. diabetes with my last pregnancy. Since then I have had to watch all these things to make sure my sugar nubers don't go back up. I was sitting *thisclose* to prediabetic after the twins were born and refuse to go there if I can help it. Moderation is the key and if you are unsure how it affects you, try skipping it for a few days. Or, enjoy your fruit with some healthy proteins to slow down the absorbsion. Even sticking to good sugars, little milk, cheese and apple, I am still over the MFP sugar for the day but it also keeps it constantly in mind so I don't slip. **

thisismeraw

Even milk was sending me over my limit. I knew then that these settings were ridiculous lol

Milk has galactose and contributes to blood glucose levels but you don't take the metabolic hit with galactose that you do with sucrose or fructose. If you OD'd on galactose, you might get diarrhea but that's about it. Sugar (sucrose) is a whole different kettle of fish. Most of the fructose that we take in, comes from our sugar habit (sucrose is 50% fructose and 50% glucose). Fructose in the small amounts that we take in through a couple of servings of fruit is not a problem. But sugar consumption (the average American takes in 500 calories a day in added sucrose or high fructose corn syrup per day) is a real problem. Virtually all processed food contains some added sugar and a LOT of salt (I suppose they add it to cover up the too sweet taste from the added sugar). One of the problems with the "total sugar" approach that they use at MFP is that it doesn't distinguish the types of sugar. It is sucrose and fructose that must be watched. Obesity researchers suggest that obese persons (or persons trying to lose body fat) limit their fructose consumption to 15 grams or less per day. You can calculate it by hand--that's what I do. I ignore galactose or dextrose (the industry name for glucose). I generally eat lower carb anyway so high blood glucose isn't a problem for me. Interestingly, researchers have recently noted that obese folk seem to be able to efficiently convert high blood glucose into fructose! So watching total carbs is important too--especially if one is experiencing higher blood glucose levels than in the past.

I consume daily high amounts of sugar due to the amount of fruit I consume. My breakfast alone sends me skyrockting over the sugar amounts here on MFP. Regularly I am twice or triple the suggested amount here yet I lose weight perfectly fine. Fruitarians lose weight fine most times and consume incredibly large amounts of fruit everyday.

Sugar is sugar. Fructose, or sugar coming from fruit obviously comes with a lot more nutrients than refined or added sugar. I fail to see how limiting your fruit sugars will cause you to lose more weight... or gain if you are consuming a lot of fruit. I lose better now that most of my intake is fruit than I did before.

Fruitarians lose weight because they severely limit their fat intake (and the protein restriction probably causes them to lose lean body mass). But researchers recently announced that there is an association between high fructose consumption and pancreatic cancer. Steve Jobs (who died of pancreatic cancer) was, for many years a fruitarian (he even named his company after his favorite fruit, Apple Inc.). Interestingly, Ashton Kutcher, the actor selected to play Jobs in the upcoming biopic, said that the all-fruit diet that he went on (I suppose to get into character?) in preparation caused him to have "pancreatic issues". Fructose is metabolized in a way that is similar to the metabolizing of alcohol. High fructose consumption (primarily through sucrose consumption) is associated with obesity, fatty liver (liver and pancreatic issues ride together), high serum uric acid, hypertension, Type II diabetes, and renal disease. All sugars are not created equal. Fruit does appear to have SOME protective effects---probably because the high mineral content helps to prevent a lot of the demineralizing that occurs from high sugar consumption. But an all-fruit diet is a VERY bad idea.

Fat intake won't cause someone to lose weight. I definately agree an all fruit diet is a bad idea as it can lack some nutrients and such but a diet high in fruit can be a good thing. Correlation of higher rates of pancreatic cancer or issues and a diet high in fruit doesn't mean fruit will cause pancreatic issues.. correlation =/= causation. I have never actually heard about what you are suggesting before.

There are many cases to show the opposite as well that a diet high in fruits can be beneficial. Again, most things will ultimately have support and articles to support either view. It ultimately comes down to your own body and how you feel. I feel amazing, have tons of energy and get much better workouts in and have a much more active day if I have had a decent chunk of fruits in my diet that day and the days before but someone else may not have the same results.

SanteMulberry

Even milk was sending me over my limit. I knew then that these settings were ridiculous lol

Milk has galactose and contributes to blood glucose levels but you don't take the metabolic hit with galactose that you do with sucrose or fructose. If you OD'd on galactose, you might get diarrhea but that's about it. Sugar (sucrose) is a whole different kettle of fish. Most of the fructose that we take in, comes from our sugar habit (sucrose is 50% fructose and 50% glucose). Fructose in the small amounts that we take in through a couple of servings of fruit is not a problem. But sugar consumption (the average American takes in 500 calories a day in added sucrose or high fructose corn syrup per day) is a real problem. Virtually all processed food contains some added sugar and a LOT of salt (I suppose they add it to cover up the too sweet taste from the added sugar). One of the problems with the "total sugar" approach that they use at MFP is that it doesn't distinguish the types of sugar. It is sucrose and fructose that must be watched. Obesity researchers suggest that obese persons (or persons trying to lose body fat) limit their fructose consumption to 15 grams or less per day. You can calculate it by hand--that's what I do. I ignore galactose or dextrose (the industry name for glucose). I generally eat lower carb anyway so high blood glucose isn't a problem for me. Interestingly, researchers have recently noted that obese folk seem to be able to efficiently convert high blood glucose into fructose! So watching total carbs is important too--especially if one is experiencing higher blood glucose levels than in the past.

I consume daily high amounts of sugar due to the amount of fruit I consume. My breakfast alone sends me skyrockting over the sugar amounts here on MFP. Regularly I am twice or triple the suggested amount here yet I lose weight perfectly fine. Fruitarians lose weight fine most times and consume incredibly large amounts of fruit everyday.

Sugar is sugar. Fructose, or sugar coming from fruit obviously comes with a lot more nutrients than refined or added sugar. I fail to see how limiting your fruit sugars will cause you to lose more weight... or gain if you are consuming a lot of fruit. I lose better now that most of my intake is fruit than I did before.

Fruitarians lose weight because they severely limit their fat intake (and the protein restriction probably causes them to lose lean body mass). But researchers recently announced that there is an association between high fructose consumption and pancreatic cancer. Steve Jobs (who died of pancreatic cancer) was, for many years a fruitarian (he even named his company after his favorite fruit, Apple Inc.). Interestingly, Ashton Kutcher, the actor selected to play Jobs in the upcoming biopic, said that the all-fruit diet that he went on (I suppose to get into character?) in preparation caused him to have "pancreatic issues". Fructose is metabolized in a way that is similar to the metabolizing of alcohol. High fructose consumption (primarily through sucrose consumption) is associated with obesity, fatty liver (liver and pancreatic issues ride together), high serum uric acid, hypertension, Type II diabetes, and renal disease. All sugars are not created equal. Fruit does appear to have SOME protective effects---probably because the high mineral content helps to prevent a lot of the demineralizing that occurs from high sugar consumption. But an all-fruit diet is a VERY bad idea.

Fat intake won't cause someone to lose weight. I definately agree an all fruit diet is a bad idea as it can lack some nutrients and such but a diet high in fruit can be a good thing. Correlation of higher rates of pancreatic cancer or issues and a diet high in fruit doesn't mean fruit will cause pancreatic issues.. correlation =/= causation. I have never actually heard about what you are suggesting before.

There are many cases to show the opposite as well that a diet high in fruits can be beneficial. Again, most things will ultimately have support and articles to support either view. It ultimately comes down to your own body and how you feel. I feel amazing, have tons of energy and get much better workouts in and have a much more active day if I have had a decent chunk of fruits in my diet that day and the days before but someone else may not have the same results.

Obesity researchers investigating the role of sugar in "food addiction" believe that fructose metabolism is responsible for subtle metabolic damage over time (among other things, it raises uric acid levels). They are suggesting that most people limit their fructose consumption to 25 grams a day and that obese folks limit it to 15 grams. This obviously means that sucrose is out. I always eat at least one piece of fruit per day but I eat no sucrose. Children and young adults do not absorb fructose as well as older adults, so children should be allowed to eat fruit freely (although fruit juice should be restricted for them--especially if they have weight problems). Here is a link to a conference on "food addiction"--an impressive list of presenters. Interesting reading: http://www.foodaddictionsummit.org/presenters-johnson.htm