Article titled "Why women should not run" - opinions?
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Here's the link to the thread from yesterday that someone mentioned:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/962084-should-we-runners-not-run0 -
This article was posted that directly refutes 10 of the sources he cites. Either he didn't read the entire article he was referencing, didn't understand them, or hoped no one else would.
http://www.runnersworld.com/health/how-does-endurance-training-affect-your-thyroid-and-vice-versa
ETA No clickable links here?0 -
Compare a sprinters body to a marathon runners body.
FTW.
There are people in here defending runners by saying "yeah the women runner the boston were really fat" or whatever... this artcile isn't saying you'll get fat if you run, it's saying you won't be FIT. Will you be cardiovasculary in shape? Yes of course. But will you look defined with lots of muscle mass? Nope. That's the point of this article. Read it before responding, y'all.0 -
While the author cites sources his ultimate conclusions are not supported. He is clearly, even if not intetntionally, stretching unrelated elements together to support his own bias and ultimately to promote his business.
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Don't know if this is of any interest to anyone but the average body fat percentage of an elite male marathoner is 3.3% - lower than for any other sport.0 -
This article was posted that directly refutes 10 of the sources he cites. Either he didn't read the entire article he was referencing, didn't understand them, or hoped no one else would.
http://www.runnersworld.com/health/how-does-endurance-training-affect-your-thyroid-and-vice-versa
ETA No clickable links here?
Only MFP links are clickable--nothing else is. Thanks for the link, it's an interesting read.0 -
Compare a sprinters body to a marathon runners body.
FTW.
There are people in here defending runners by saying "yeah the women runner the boston were really fat" or whatever... this artcile isn't saying you'll get fat if you run, it's saying you won't be FIT. Will you be cardiovasculary in shape? Yes of course. But will you look defined with lots of muscle mass? Nope. That's the point of this article. Read it before responding, y'all.
Fitness is normally a measure of function relative to an objective/objectives.
Being 'well defined' is firstly entirely subjective and secondly doesn't measure anything functional. It just isn't a measure of fitness.
'Muscle mass' is similar - it's only a measure of fitness if you redefine it as pure strength.0 -
Dear everyone talking about only seeing thing marathon runners. This article is ONLY in reference to LOSING WEIGHT. It's NOT in reference to elite level athletes who were never overweight to begin with... geesh. Is that really that hard to understand..
That said, he's correct enough to a degree. But in my experience, only to those who are in bodyfat levels close to normal and want to cut the last few pound off type thing. It's basically impossible without resistance training. But for those who are overweight, ya you better believe that any sort of diet + any sort of exercise will shed pounds.
TLDR: do both cardio and resistance training as your exercise training.0 -
If you enjoy doing something, and not getting injured doing it.. go for it.
I will note that there is some concern regarding the Q angle in women, and stress on the knees, but if you are not having knee pain, no biggie.
as far as being able to run X distance relating to your overall fitness, I know of more than a couple of Marathon runners personally that are obese. They look better than before they started running but they are obese by anybody's measure. Please note that I don't ever tell them to NOT run, because it is none of my damn business. If running is something they enjoy, then nobody has a right to try to kill their dream. I will note that one of them is fairly short, and he said he runs because he is working on getting the "runners body" and he likes the look of "long lean limbs".. I smiled and nodded.. not my place to point out that his limbs will never get any longer from running.
as far as elite level runners, boston maraton for example.. you be around the 3 hour mark to qualify (depending on age). I personally think that the runners appear to have a body type because they are bio-mechanically well suited to the activity, not because they simply do more of it. a typical olympic level weightlifter has a shorter body and limb length, having to move the bar shorter distances, that same person would have to do MORE work to run a marathon with a decent time.. This is the reason that China/Russia has been successful with selecting the ideal sport for a person based on body type. It does not mean the person will be successful, but if gifted in the sport AND the right body type, they will be able to go further than someone with a less suited body type.0 -
Compare a sprinters body to a marathon runners body.
One of the dumbest and most intellectually dishonest arguments ever.0 -
I checked some of the articles cited in this blog and found this "After 4 days of treatments, low energy availability (8 vs. 30 kcal.kg body wt-1.day-1) had reduced 3,5,3'-triiodothyronine (T3) by 15% (....). Exercise quantity (0 vs. 1,300 kcal/day) and intensity (40 vs. 70% of aerobic capacity) did not affect any thyroid hormone (all P > 0.10). That is, low-T3 syndrome was induced by the energy cost of exercise and was prevented in exercising women by increasing dietary energy intake." Basically they say that your thyroid homone T3 drops if you exercise but don't eat enough. Maybe that's why MFP tells us to eat back our exercise calories = )0
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Not going to bother reading but my first guess would be that people were either under eating or over eating by a fair bit. Both can cause weight gain. And cardio is great at making a fair sized calorie burn. I know when I was doing my long hikes over the summer it was definitely not beneficial to my weight at the time. Now if I had weight on and I continued doing it I'm sure I would have lost it eventually. But there is a fair bit of repair going on when you're running that regularly. So I would say the weight gain would have to do with that (as in, the person would not be gaining fat, they would just be regularly in repair mode).Hey Guys,
A friend of mine sent me this article (link below) saying how regular intense cardio sessions (HR > 65%) eventually make you gain weight instead of losing it. The author supports his statements with an impressive number of references (80 scientific publications), although I have not read the references. Any thoughts on that topic?
http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/5343/why-women-should-not-run/?fb_action_ids=10151550067824313&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map={"10151550067824313":593369744006366}&action_type_map={"10151550067824313":"og.likes"}&action_ref_map0 -
this.Compare a sprinters body to a marathon runners body.
One of the dumbest and most intellectually dishonest arguments ever.0 -
This is one of the worst articles I've ever read.0
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I'm no expert but this is my take after reading the article -
He's talking about 20+ hours a week of intense cardio. And he's not talking about it making women fat, he says that it contributes to hypothyroidism which causes the body to retain fat, as well as the excessive cardio causing the body to burn muscle. This results in what a lot of people call "skinny fat," which simply means that you may be skinny but you have no muscle mass. The bottom line for me from this article was the same concept as for food (or anything else for that matter) - anything is excess is not good for you. I do 30 minutes of cardio 5 days a week and do strength training 4-5 days a week as well, changing up the areas I'm targeting every day. My body fat, weight and inches are steadily decreasing and my muscles are getting stronger.
Wait, what? Running cannot cause an autoimmune disease. Women are more likely than men to have an autoimmune disease, period. And because hypothyroidism is fairly common, it's going to show up in women at rates higher than in men.
Also, hypothyroidism doesn't cause the body to retain fat - it slows down your metabolism (and all other vital life processes) and makes you so tired it is impossible to exercise (among all the other wonderful / fun symptoms).
This formerly overweight hypothyroid runner will continue to run.0 -
I'll state upfront...I didn't bother reading what I believe (without reading) is a lame article. Don't care what their "sources" are.
I love running and LOVE doing high intense exercise. I am 43 heading for 44; I am at NOT overweight and have <20% body fat.
I will state, however if you are eating fatty foods (non healthy types; fast foods, fried foods, bakery products, etc) as your main source of calories.....YOU WILL BE UNHEALTHY.
Health starts in the kitchen, exercise is the proverbial icing on the cake.
Eat healthy, LIVE healthy, BE healthy!0 -
Dear everyone talking about only seeing thing marathon runners. This article is ONLY in reference to LOSING WEIGHT. It's NOT in reference to elite level athletes who were never overweight to begin with... geesh. Is that really that hard to understand..
This is one of the issues I usually have with these articles. There's a difference between someone looking to lose weight and someone training for something. If you want to run marathons, then you obviously need to run. Myself, I'm in the military, so I need to run so I can pass my required fitness tests. But, if running isn't your thing, you don't need to force yourself to do it.
Usually, what I come away with is that, when it comes to WEIGHT LOSS, cardio doesn't hold the quite as uniquely elevated a position as it once did. When I was young, running is what you did to lose weight because, it's got high calories-burned-per-minute numbers. As I understand it, that's where it's forte remains- calories burned while performing the exercise. So it's still useful for weight loss, because it burns calories.
However, it seems that there is new emphasis on developing muscle mass with weights and resistance training so that, while it may not burn as many calories during exercise as cardio does, the increased mass can burn more calories while we're NOT exercising. This approach seems to still be trying to gain ground in the public mindset, sometimes because people still fixate on cardio as *THE* way to lose weight or because some still associate lifting weights as the realm of jocks, bodybuilders, and male models. They don't always see that weightlifting can still help someone who simply wants to be healthier in general.
Personally, I do a mix. Weights and resistance training help build the strength and muscular endurance I need for my job, as well as increasing what I burn while resting, thanks to the increased muscle mass. Cardio provides my heart and lungs with training to increase their capacity and efficiency in providing my body with increased blood and oxygen flow when I need it, such as in high-stress situations and when taking the aforementioned required fitness test.
I really think the article would be better if it were along the lines of "Why we should not *only* run", because you don't need to run away from running. You just don't need to see it as your only way to lose weight.0 -
This article was posted that directly refutes 10 of the sources he cites. Either he didn't read the entire article he was referencing, didn't understand them, or hoped no one else would.
http://www.runnersworld.com/health/how-does-endurance-training-affect-your-thyroid-and-vice-versa
ETA No clickable links here?
Thanks, nice article!0 -
This came up yesterday...the title is stupid, but most people around here seem to miss the point of the article. The point of the article is stop doing excessive cardio and take a more balanced approach to your fitness...i.e incorporate some resistance training, etc
Personally, I agree...I can't believe the number of people here that do XXX cardio in the AM....XXX cardio in the afternoon...and XXX cardio at night. There is a point of diminishing returns and cardio and diet in the absence of resistance training may leave you at a healthy body weight, but with a higher level of BF% because you bur more muscle.
PS...I'm a runner.0 -
Is anyone else irritated that this is only geared toward women and not men?0
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LOL I dont give a darn what some article says. I LOVE running and will never give it up. You would have to pry my running shoes from my cold dead hands. Cheers!0
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If there is one thing I know for sure, it is that female runners are fat.0
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If there is one thing I know for sure, it is that female runners are fat.
Lol:)0 -
there are these people in some country (okay i sound ignorant, but I can't remember the proper name!) I saw it on weird or what. They run EVERYWHERE. their only means of communication is running from place to place, and that is alllll they do, for days at a time even. And none of them are overweight, Just thought I'd put in my two cents!
I think i saw this one. Was it a south american country? It was like they small.. as in short but they were in GREAT shape.0 -
Here is a good counter article to the original one that you posted.
https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://www.runnersworld.com/health/how-does-endurance-training-affect-your-thyroid-and-vice-versa&h=zAQHsxPUJ0 -
I've seen these claims before. The whole basis of their discussion is that, if you keep doing the same thing, your body adjusts and you have to eat less. This is true, from every exercise class and science/biology class I've been in.
BUT …
What runner keeps running at the same pace for the same distance forever? Most of us don't. Last 5K finished in 27 min? Great! Now the goal for the next is under 26 … or something like that. We're constantly challenging ourselves to go a bit longer or a bit faster.
The same is true for ANY exercise. Yoga, ballet, Zumba, pilates, cross-fit, P90X, step aerobics, whatever. Even traditional weight lifting challenges you to lift more next time than you did last time. Our bodies are constantly adapting to accommodate what we ask. The workout from last week may not give us that same sense of "burn" or "wow, I can't believe I did that" or whatever as it used to. It's part of life. Does that mean we shouldn't exercise? NO. It means we should be aware of how adaptive our bodies are, and keep changing our workouts to keep getting maximum results.
So, if you like to run, then run. If you prefer kickboxing, Zumba, or weights, then do that (It's good to incorporate resistance and cardio into your weekly routine, IMO). Don't dis on someone else's workout just because you don't like it for you (not saying the OP did that, more like the article…)0 -
Most of the people who replied didn't even read the full article.
It is an article targetted at those people who ONLY do cardio in attempts to lose weight, as opposed to someone who has resistance training only, or resistance training in combination with running.
Think about it.... most women do not eat a many calories. Couple that with the fact that the majority of the population think running is the answer to weight loss, and the fact they do not eat back those calories... you have people netting like 200 calories a day, demolishing their metabolisms, losing muscle, and ultimately becoming skinny fat.
This is a common occurance among many female fitness compeitors whose garbage coaches has them doing 2-3 cardio sessions a day and eating like less than 1k calories.
He doesn't make any claims that running is useless, but says that women are more susceptible to falling victim to this mindset.0 -
Keep in mind who his audience is. Contest-level bodybuilders for the most part. His definition of "fat" is going to be way different than mine.
I also think that if you look at the specific claims he makes, it looks slightly less crazy.
"run for an hour or more every day on the treadmill"
If you're doing 10 minute miles, that's 42 miles per week.
7.5 minute miles makes for 56 miles per week.
"20-plus hours per week of pre-contest cardio for women"
That's 120-160 miles per week.
I'm obviously no fitness expert, but those numbers seem a little high to me. I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be unhealthy.
One final note - if you don't know of any female runners who are still overweight after months and even years of running, you need to open your eyes. I'm not saying it's the standard, but there are definitely some in that situation. For the ones who are, I think it might be worth your time to take a look at what this guy is saying.0 -
Is anyone else irritated that this is only geared toward women and not men?
No. Come on, you know it's true that obsessing over cardio is very much something women do. I go to the gym almost every day. I've noticed one guy who uses an exercise bike every day, and another couple who never leave the ellipticals. But apart from them, most people stick to either the weights or the cardio. A few switch it up. But most men visit the weights area at least some of the time, and some never leave it. The elliptical zone might as well be painted pink.
Yeah, I thought the author's tone could be interpreted as annoying, but he is actually making a feminist point--women should not be afraid of lifting.0 -
Keep in mind who his audience is. Contest-level bodybuilders for the most part. His definition of "fat" is going to be way different than mine.
I also think that if you look at the specific claims he makes, it looks slightly less crazy.
"run for an hour or more every day on the treadmill"
If you're doing 10 minute miles, that's 42 miles per week.
7.5 minute miles makes for 56 miles per week.
"20-plus hours per week of pre-contest cardio for women"
That's 120-160 miles per week.
I'm obviously no fitness expert, but those numbers seem a little high to me. I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be unhealthy.
One final note - if you don't know of any female runners who are still overweight after months and even years of running, you need to open your eyes. I'm not saying it's the standard, but there are definitely some in that situation. For the ones who are, I think it might be worth your time to take a look at what this guy is saying.
I can honestly say, hand on heart, that I know of absolutely NO female runners who are still overweight after months and even years of running. That is the absolutely 100% truth.
Those that are overweight, but are running that I know of, are running to aid their weightloss and it is working, because they seem to consistently lose weight, week in, week out. I am not talking about myself in this instance, but have somebody else in mind.0
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