Stalled after raising my calorie from 1200
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Thanks everyone, for all the replies and advice. I am soaking it all in.0
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b) that said, 1100 calories is almost never enough for an adult. Unless they're very very tiny. Like a little person.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you guys, but I have to ask you where you learned that. From lessons and classes getting your trainer's or nutritionists license?
All of you eat more types pull numbers and stats out of thin air, and I'm tired of ignorance. There's nothing wrong with Fasting, Calorie cutting, listening to your body and holding off on eating when you aren't hungry.
unless you truly AREN'T eating nutritious food...
1600 calories is TEN portions of 4 oz baked chicken breasts PLUS 6 cups of steamed broccoli. In an entire DAY I don't think I could eat that much food. I eat around 1400, I'm a short guy and I only do lifting. My job is sedentary.
Now I'll sit back while you try and tell me how you eat SO much nutritious food in a day to get to 1800, without adding in high calorie junk.
Why do you hate everyone so much? N.B this is a real question.
Needs more healthy fats in his life IMO.
Nut butter0 -
b) that said, 1100 calories is almost never enough for an adult. Unless they're very very tiny. Like a little person.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you guys, but I have to ask you where you learned that. From lessons and classes getting your trainer's or nutritionists license?
All of you eat more types pull numbers and stats out of thin air, and I'm tired of ignorance. There's nothing wrong with Fasting, Calorie cutting, listening to your body and holding off on eating when you aren't hungry.
unless you truly AREN'T eating nutritious food...
1600 calories is TEN portions of 4 oz baked chicken breasts PLUS 6 cups of steamed broccoli. In an entire DAY I don't think I could eat that much food. I eat around 1400, I'm a short guy and I only do lifting. My job is sedentary.
Now I'll sit back while you try and tell me how you eat SO much nutritious food in a day to get to 1800, without adding in high calorie junk.
Well that is a nice balanced diet. :noway:
Thanks but I think I'll ignore someone who is screwing their metabolism by eating as few calories as possible. I'll keep giving out my advice, which is based on my opinion as is yours - people can take it or leave it. I just think that if you can lose weight on 1200 cals as well as 1600 cals people should know this - lots don't. Women have been brainwashed by magazines and diets that 1200 calories a day is the only way to lose weight. It's not and it's important they find this out. Yes, they may not be able to eat as much as me, they may even be able to eat more but it's not a bad thing for them to try it and see.
I like to be able to fit "junk" into my "diet" as I'm learning to make changes to my eating habits that I can keep for the rest of my life. I hit all my macros and still have room for a glass of wine, can still go to the pub with my friends and not be jealous of them enjoying their pints. I only plan on losing this weight once - and don't want to have to yo yo until I get it right.
But you have fun with your method. 1400 calories of chicken and broccoli a day every day sounds delicious.0 -
Nutritionist license please.
I didn't give her personalized advice, telling her how many calories to eat, numbers to follow. I gave her general guidelines on how to accomplish her goals.
Now go back to the Reichstag.
I don't hate everyone, I hate intolerance and ignorance. There is no reason why people should shame this person into eating more than what she is hungry for. When they make arguments, I call them out, because what they say is false. This person came here looking for advice, and most of the posters have told her to adopt a diet that would see her gain weight.
Gee.
Honestly - only seen one intolerant and ignorant person post on this thread......wonder who it is???0 -
b) that said, 1100 calories is almost never enough for an adult. Unless they're very very tiny. Like a little person.
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you guys, but I have to ask you where you learned that. From lessons and classes getting your trainer's or nutritionists license?
All of you eat more types pull numbers and stats out of thin air, and I'm tired of ignorance. There's nothing wrong with Fasting, Calorie cutting, listening to your body and holding off on eating when you aren't hungry.
unless you truly AREN'T eating nutritious food...
1600 calories is TEN portions of 4 oz baked chicken breasts PLUS 6 cups of steamed broccoli. In an entire DAY I don't think I could eat that much food. I eat around 1400, I'm a short guy and I only do lifting. My job is sedentary.
Now I'll sit back while you try and tell me how you eat SO much nutritious food in a day to get to 1800, without adding in high calorie junk.
Why do you hate everyone so much? N.B this is a real question.
Needs more healthy fats in his life IMO.
Nut butter
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Thanks everyone, for all the replies and advice. I am soaking it all in.
I'm sorry this thread has turned into an argument - there is good advice here - you just need to cherry pick it and find out what works for you. Remember to give your body time to adjust to any changes you make, this really is a marathon, not a sprint. :flowerforyou:0 -
Nutritionist license please.
I didn't give her personalized advice, telling her how many calories to eat, numbers to follow. I gave her general guidelines on how to accomplish her goals.
Now go back to the Reichstag.
I don't hate everyone, I hate intolerance and ignorance. There is no reason why people should shame this person into eating more than what she is hungry for. When they make arguments, I call them out, because what they say is false. This person came here looking for advice, and most of the posters have told her to adopt a diet that would see her gain weight.
Gee.
You hate intolerance and ignorance so you tell people to go back to Reichstag...ummmmmmmmmmmm....0 -
Honestly - only seen one intolerant and ignorant person post on this thread......wonder who it is???
Huh, interesting assessment, seeing as I am the only one on this thread that thinks that 1200 calories a day is fine. Everyone else seems to characterize it as an eating disorder.
I'm also the only person who is saying things, and then CITING the study in which it is said. You all can have your Broscience. Good luck OP!!! You can do this!!0 -
Nutritionist license please.
I didn't give her personalized advice, telling her how many calories to eat, numbers to follow. I gave her general guidelines on how to accomplish her goals.
Now go back to the Reichstag.
I don't hate everyone, I hate intolerance and ignorance. There is no reason why people should shame this person into eating more than what she is hungry for. When they make arguments, I call them out, because what they say is false. This person came here looking for advice, and most of the posters have told her to adopt a diet that would see her gain weight.
Gee.
How in god's name do YOU know she will gain on any number?. You cannot predict what her body will do, unless you know the OP's habits and lifestyle, you cannot possibly predict how her body will react to a certain number of calories. It's all guess work, you, me or anyone else cannot guarantee anything.0 -
I lose between 8 and 10 lbs a each and every month. Some months the scale won't move till the end of the month, but I still get it done. Has been this way since I started in January 2012. I don't eat 1200, I won't say what I do eat you can look at that yourself. I'm NOT in starvation mode, my metab is just fine. I'm not hungry, My hair is NOT falling out, my nails are bad but in all honesty they were bad before I started the diet so that's def not the cause. My way of doing things blow your whole starvation mode BS right out of the water. I fast each and every day. I eat pretty clean, not 100% but way better than what I used to eat. I do agree you have to give it longer than a week to work your body is getting used to the new amounts. But why change if you were losing?0
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I lose between 8 and 10 lbs a each and every month. Some months the scale won't move till the end of the month, but I still get it done. Has been this way since I started in January 2012. I don't eat 1200, I won't say what I do eat you can look at that yourself. I'm NOT in starvation mode, my metab is just fine. I'm not hungry, My hair is NOT falling out, my nails are bad but in all honesty they were bad before I started the diet so that's def not the cause. My way of doing things blow your whole starvation mode BS right out of the water. I fast each and every day. I eat pretty clean, not 100% but way better than what I used to eat. I do agree you have to give it longer than a week to work your body is getting used to the new amounts. But why change if you were losing?
Lean muscle loss? Any figures?0 -
I lose between 8 and 10 lbs a each and every month. Some months the scale won't move till the end of the month, but I still get it done. Has been this way since I started in January 2012. I don't eat 1200, I won't say what I do eat you can look at that yourself. I'm NOT in starvation mode, my metab is just fine. I'm not hungry, My hair is NOT falling out, my nails are bad but in all honesty they were bad before I started the diet so that's def not the cause. My way of doing things blow your whole starvation mode BS right out of the water. I fast each and every day. I eat pretty clean, not 100% but way better than what I used to eat. I do agree you have to give it longer than a week to work your body is getting used to the new amounts. But why change if you were losing?
And once you attempt to start eating normally again.........0 -
This thread fails in so many ways. :sick: :sad:0
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I lose between 8 and 10 lbs a each and every month. Some months the scale won't move till the end of the month, but I still get it done. Has been this way since I started in January 2012. I don't eat 1200, I won't say what I do eat you can look at that yourself. I'm NOT in starvation mode, my metab is just fine. I'm not hungry, My hair is NOT falling out, my nails are bad but in all honesty they were bad before I started the diet so that's def not the cause. My way of doing things blow your whole starvation mode BS right out of the water. I fast each and every day. I eat pretty clean, not 100% but way better than what I used to eat. I do agree you have to give it longer than a week to work your body is getting used to the new amounts. But why change if you were losing?
I'll save people some clicking and math:
She's consistently netting less than 700 daily.0 -
Honestly - only seen one intolerant and ignorant person post on this thread......wonder who it is???
Huh, interesting assessment, seeing as I am the only one on this thread that thinks that 1200 calories a day is fine. Everyone else seems to characterize it as an eating disorder.
I'm also the only person who is saying things, and then CITING the study in which it is said. You all can have your Broscience. Good luck OP!!! You can do this!!
I'm sorry what study did you quote saying 1200cals a day is fine? I could only find the twinky diet and a study on the nutrition of brown rice. Did I miss it?0 -
I have not read all the posts and I am sure this has been mentioned...but you gave it a week and decided that it did not work! Really?
Upping calories= more food = more water and food weight which masks 'real' weight loss.0 -
I went from 1200 up to 1250 back in January. Then, a week ago, I went from 1250 to 1300. And in another 4 months, I will up another 50. It takes time.
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I'm sorry what study did you quote saying 1200cals a day is fine? I could only find the twinky diet and a study on the nutrition of brown rice. Did I miss it?
No, You didn't miss it. That one I didn't cite because I don't care, MFP sets people to 1200 and only cautions them about going lower. This own website that you're posting on has set that at the limit, and they have liability concerns to think of, They've probably built in a margin of error, to make certain that their guidelines and recommendations are safe.
Where are the study's showing that 1200 calories a day causes weight loss stalling, nutrient deficiency, and metabolism damage?
I'll save you some time. There aren't any. The study's that show those results are ones that deal with VLCD's. Very low calorie diet (VLCD) is a diet with very or extremely low daily food energy consumption. It is defined as a diet of 800 kilocalories (3,300 kJ) per day or less.
So, 1200 is fine.I lose between 8 and 10 lbs a each and every month. Some months the scale won't move till the end of the month, but I still get it done. Has been this way since I started in January 2012. I don't eat 1200, I won't say what I do eat you can look at that yourself. I'm NOT in starvation mode, my metab is just fine. I'm not hungry, My hair is NOT falling out, my nails are bad but in all honesty they were bad before I started the diet so that's def not the cause. My way of doing things blow your whole starvation mode BS right out of the water. I fast each and every day. I eat pretty clean, not 100% but way better than what I used to eat. I do agree you have to give it longer than a week to work your body is getting used to the new amounts. But why change if you were losing?
I'll save people some clicking and math:
She's consistently netting less than 700 daily.
Yeah, see ^ THIS is unhealthy. ^ this is *NOT* what I am talking about.0 -
I lose between 8 and 10 lbs a each and every month. Some months the scale won't move till the end of the month, but I still get it done. Has been this way since I started in January 2012. I don't eat 1200, I won't say what I do eat you can look at that yourself. I'm NOT in starvation mode, my metab is just fine. I'm not hungry, My hair is NOT falling out, my nails are bad but in all honesty they were bad before I started the diet so that's def not the cause. My way of doing things blow your whole starvation mode BS right out of the water. I fast each and every day. I eat pretty clean, not 100% but way better than what I used to eat. I do agree you have to give it longer than a week to work your body is getting used to the new amounts. But why change if you were losing?
I'll save people some clicking and math:
She's consistently netting less than 700 daily.
And eating unflavoured geltine for breakfast. WTF....
To the OP. The main issue I see with younger women eating less is that when they get older (ie my age) they have stuffed their metabolism so much, and have minimal lean muscle mass, that they a/ have to keep eating like a sparrow or b/ the middle age spread takes over. Our metabolism slows down a great deal as we age - mainly due to the withering muscles and menopause.
I am 45, pre-menopausal and my BMR is around 1450, yet I am maintaining about 2200 (TDEE) with daily exercise (cardio + weights). I eat ice cream and chocolate (whenever I feel like it!). I lost weight steadily last year eating around 1800....Granted, I am tall (5'9") so can eat more than a shorter person.
I am fitter and healthier now than I was in my 30s.0 -
I'm sorry what study did you quote saying 1200cals a day is fine? I could only find the twinky diet and a study on the nutrition of brown rice. Did I miss it?
No, You didn't miss it. That one I didn't cite because I don't care, MFP sets people to 1200 and only cautions them about going lower. This own website that you're posting on has set that at the limit, and they have liability concerns to think of, They've probably built in a margin of error, to make certain that their guidelines and recommendations are safe.
Where are the study's showing that 1200 calories a day causes weight loss stalling, nutrient deficiency, and metabolism damage?
I'll save you some time. There aren't any. The study's that show those results are ones that deal with VLCD's. Very low calorie diet (VLCD) is a diet with very or extremely low daily food energy consumption. It is defined as a diet of 800 kilocalories (3,300 kJ) per day or less.
So, 1200 is fine.
So when you claimed you back up your statements with studies that was what an exaggeration?
Just because MFP's lower limit is 1200 cals a day doesn't mean you should be eating that few - that's just the number they have picked to cover their own backside.
I said that if you can eat more and still lose weight why wouldn't you want to. But there are 100's of threads from people saying that they have stalled on 1200 calories. That 1200 calories messed up their metabolism. You only have to look at the forums every day to see that.
But you continue to eat your 1400 calories a day - I'll eat my 1600-1800 calories a day and we can just go our separate ways.
Good luck with your journey :flowerforyou:0 -
I'll save you some time. There aren't any. The study's that show those results are ones that deal with VLCD's. Very low calorie diet (VLCD) is a diet with very or extremely low daily food energy consumption. It is defined as a diet of 800 kilocalories (3,300 kJ) per day or less.
So, 1200 is fine.
Let it be known that this man considers the difference between "perfectly fine" and "dangerously unhealthy" to be a bagel with cream cheese.0 -
I'm losing weight eating 1200 calories per day. I have been using MFP since January 17. I have not lost any lean muscle (confirmed by DEXA), I'm happy with my strength gains and rate of fat loss.
I specifically chose 1200 because, while I could lose weight eating more, I have been trying to lose this last bit of weight for a while and found that on higher calories with a slower rate of loss, I have a habit of falling off the wagon (with regard to calorie counting, tracking and weighing food, etc...). With a more restrictive diet and greater rate of loss each week, I can stick to it.
At the end of the day, whether you can stick with what you're doing and whether it's getting you to the body composition you desire is the most important thing. For some people, sticking with a more restrictive diet leads to failure while for others, losing more slowly leads to failure. You are going to have to decide what's going to help you the most.
As far as things like "starvation mode" and "metabolic damage" they generally refer to the natural lowering of your total daily energy expenditure (TDEE) with ANY level of calorie restriction. The longer and more drastic the calorie restriction, the more your TDEE will lower. The greatest measured drop (adjusted for changes in total body mass) was 10%, measured using the Minnesota Starvation Experiment back in the 40s/50s when lean men were starved to below essential body fat percentages. This change has been shown in studies to correct itself within days-weeks of starting to eat normally. For me, my TDEE is around 2200 (obviously changes based on the day). Over the past several months, I have experienced an increase in my TDEE (related to an increase in my activity) but no measured drop. [When I calculate my TDEE based on calories taken in and weight lost, there is no difference from the beginning of my time on MFP and now.] Once I get to maintenance, I will slowly increase my calories until I hit my TDEE. I'm certainly not going to live on 1200 calories forever.
With a diet high in protein and strength training, studies have shown that lean body mass can be maintained even on very low calorie diets (VLCD, defined as 40% of TDEE or commonly referred to as 800 calories or less).
No matter what, if you change something, especially an increase in calories or an increase in strength training, you will need to wait 4-6 weeks to see results. In general, with either of those, your body will retain more water which will increase your weight, after 4-6 weeks, you should see fat loss equaling the increased water retention and then start seeing fat loss again (scale-wise, measurements could still be changing throughout that time).
As with pretty much everything you do, you need to figure out what works for you. If you get frustrated and quit easily with lower rates of fat loss, you may want to go with a higher rate of loss. If you get frustrated restricting your intake, you may want to go with a higher calorie level.
[All uses of the word "diet" within this post refer to your daily diet or food consumed on a daily basis.]0 -
I said that if you can eat more and still lose weight why wouldn't you want to. But there are 100's of threads from people saying that they have stalled on 1200 calories. That 1200 calories messed up their metabolism. You only have to look at the forums every day to see that.
Those posts aren't data though, you have no way of knowing that 1200 stalled their weight loss. It could have been a plethora of other factors.
Personally, I believe that people who stall out at 1200 are people who can't handle that kind of cut. There is so much inaccuracy about logging, you can't be sure that there wasn't a couple of hundred calorie handfuls here and there to combat hunger - that subsequently didn't get logged. Or the food that they are logging has an incorrect calorie count. Restaurants and packaged foods are found to have caloric inaccuracy in the ALL THEM TIME!!!!!! as much as 1 in 5 labels are wrong!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/19/diet-sabotage-1-in-5-calo_n_903861.html
Those kinds of arguments are incumbent upon the data and self reporting being accurate. And any counter-arguments about how people started losing again when they upped their calories is likely due to more accurate reporting and less sneaking handfuls due to less hunger.
But there's no way to know for sure, that's why you need to look at what happens in a controlled setting. A "study".
BurtHuttz: 400 calories difference, is a lot...0 -
My take on this is first, PATIENCE. Tons and tons of never ending patience. It will take more than a week to tell if it's working or not. Trust me because I'm in the process of upping my calories too. Twelve hundred DID work for me... for awhile, and then nothing. I'm 5' 1" and now eating between 1700 and 1850 a day. And yes, I AM losing. Slowly, but I'm down to 10 or less lbs to lose now and it would be a slow loss regardless. The thing about eating more to lose weight is that it is teaching me how to eat for life. I'm learning how EAT. How to eat lots of food and not be hungry all the time. How to make proper choices. One of my big problems was I really didn't know how to eat healthfully. Eating at 1200 wasn't really teaching me this because I wasn't learning how to eat for LIFE. No way I could sustain 1200 and be able to workout and live a full happy life. It is scary. I still stress and think about each morsel I put into my mouth but it is getting better. My body fat % is dropping and I'm noticing huge differences in my clothes and how my body looks and feels. Second, if you're not doing it already you need to start strength training. It will make ALL the difference in the world!! Low calorie dieting, which I've done all of my life, had turned me into the dreaded "skinny-fat". I looked passable in clothing but naked.... well... we won't go there. lol Lifting weights is changing this though. The fat IS retreating and I'm winning the battle!! I've heard that PCOS can make weight loss a little slower so for you you will really need patience. Stick with it. Don't give up hope and think it won't work. PATIENCE and WEIGHTS!! Good luck!! 0
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For me, it boils down to a choice between whether one wishes to lose weight temporarily or lose it permanently while learning a new, sustainable lifestyle?
(tracieangeletti explained it well in the previous post)
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/Robin_Bin/view/how-to-use-myfitnesspal-4279930 -
With a diet high in protein and strength training, studies have shown that lean body mass can be maintained even on very low calorie diets (VLCD, defined as 40% of TDEE or commonly referred to as 800 calories or less).
Those studies were on obese people - context is relevant.
Also, read this re the Minnesota Starvation experiment:
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/6/1347.full
There is a laundry list of emotional, mental, hormonal and physical damage that people keep over-looking, even after the experiment ended.0 -
With a diet high in protein and strength training, studies have shown that lean body mass can be maintained even on very low calorie diets (VLCD, defined as 40% of TDEE or commonly referred to as 800 calories or less).
Those studies were on obese people - context is relevant.
Also, read this re the Minnesota Starvation experiment:
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/6/1347.full
There is a laundry list of emotional, mental, hormonal and physical damage that people keep over-looking, even after the experiment ended.
I have to run but you're right on both counts. Of course at 223 lbs, OP is likely obese herself and I'm not advocating a VLCD by any means. Second point is that the men participating in the MSE were lean starting and ended at extremely underweight. That is probably just as relevant as the fact that most studies on weight loss are on the obese.
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=3086592
This analysis of the MSE shows that initial body composition relates to body comp as weight is lost as well as when weight is regained (as was the point of the MSE). It's really interesting though not particularly relevant to this discussion (not sure if you've seen it before). Since MSE is one of the few studies that shows extreme weight loss in already healthy weight to lean individuals it's definitely an interesting read.
At the end of the day, the couple things you pointed out don't change my position but I was not particularly thorough in my wording and since I only mentioned the BMR reduction from the MSE, I didn't find the other point relevant. :flowerforyou:0 -
On that low of a calorie intake, a good portion of that weight loss could be muscle mass. The more muscle you lose, the harder it will be for you to lose weight. Muscle is more metabolically active than fat and burns more calories when you are at rest.0
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With a diet high in protein and strength training, studies have shown that lean body mass can be maintained even on very low calorie diets (VLCD, defined as 40% of TDEE or commonly referred to as 800 calories or less).
Those studies were on obese people - context is relevant.
Also, read this re the Minnesota Starvation experiment:
http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/6/1347.full
There is a laundry list of emotional, mental, hormonal and physical damage that people keep over-looking, even after the experiment ended.
I have to run but you're right on both counts. Of course at 223 lbs, OP is likely obese herself and I'm not advocating a VLCD by any means. Second point is that the men participating in the MSE were lean starting and ended at extremely underweight. That is probably just as relevant as the fact that most studies on weight loss are on the obese.
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=3086592
This analysis of the MSE shows that initial body composition relates to body comp as weight is lost as well as when weight is regained (as was the point of the MSE). It's really interesting though not particularly relevant to this discussion (not sure if you've seen it before). Since MSE is one of the few studies that shows extreme weight loss in already healthy weight to lean individuals it's definitely an interesting read.
At the end of the day, the couple things you pointed out don't change my position but I was not particularly thorough in my wording and since I only mentioned the BMR reduction from the MSE, I didn't find the other point relevant. :flowerforyou:
We are good. I was really just trying to clarify context to others reading as I know that you are aware of the context of those studies.0 -
I lose between 8 and 10 lbs a each and every month. Some months the scale won't move till the end of the month, but I still get it done. Has been this way since I started in January 2012. I don't eat 1200, I won't say what I do eat you can look at that yourself. I'm NOT in starvation mode, my metab is just fine. I'm not hungry, My hair is NOT falling out, my nails are bad but in all honesty they were bad before I started the diet so that's def not the cause. My way of doing things blow your whole starvation mode BS right out of the water. I fast each and every day. I eat pretty clean, not 100% but way better than what I used to eat. I do agree you have to give it longer than a week to work your body is getting used to the new amounts. But why change if you were losing?
I'll save people some clicking and math:
She's consistently netting less than 700 daily.
And eating unflavoured geltine for breakfast. WTF....
To the OP. The main issue I see with younger women eating less is that when they get older (ie my age) they have stuffed their metabolism so much, and have minimal lean muscle mass, that they a/ have to keep eating like a sparrow or b/ the middle age spread takes over. Our metabolism slows down a great deal as we age - mainly due to the withering muscles and menopause.
I am 45, pre-menopausal and my BMR is around 1450, yet I am maintaining about 2200 (TDEE) with daily exercise (cardio + weights). I eat ice cream and chocolate (whenever I feel like it!). I lost weight steadily last year eating around 1800....Granted, I am tall (5'9") so can eat more than a shorter person.
I am fitter and healthier now than I was in my 30s.
First of all I'm not eating gelatin for my breakfast I don't eat breakfast, but I use gelatin for digestive health and other health benifits. I drink it in the mornings and at night, it's no biggie and I DO NOT NET LESS THAN 700 CALORIES A DAY. Fitbit adjust those calories for me by just moving around. I do not eat my exercise calories back but I haven't even gone to Zumba since Tuesday so all that is adjusted by the fitbit is "NORMAL" calorie burn from just being alive *sigh* please know what your talking about before you post. I haven't even worn the fitbit since Zumba on tuesday and it's still adjusting. But my success blows your omg you CAN'T lose weight if you don't more than 1200 calories a day out of the water.0
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