Exercise causing stall? I have a sneaking suspicion...

jacksonpt

You are not having a stall, you are having an increase in water weight for muscle recovery. It's normal.

But I agree with everyone else that you're not eating enough. If you calculate your TDEE for sedentary activity, you need to eat back those exercise calories.

Also start tracking your measurements in addition to scale weight. I exercise a lot, and last month I lost only 3lbs, but 2.5 inches off my waist.

CAN PEOPLE STOP SAYING THAT???? ALL IT DOES IS CAUSE CONFUSION.

There's no such thing as sedentary TDEE. TDEE, by definition, HAS to include exercise. If you're not including exercise, you aren't calculating TDEE... you're calculating your BMR + NEAT.

holothuroidea

You are not having a stall, you are having an increase in water weight for muscle recovery. It's normal.

But I agree with everyone else that you're not eating enough. If you calculate your TDEE for sedentary activity, you need to eat back those exercise calories.

Also start tracking your measurements in addition to scale weight. I exercise a lot, and last month I lost only 3lbs, but 2.5 inches off my waist.

CAN PEOPLE STOP SAYING THAT???? ALL IT DOES IS CAUSE CONFUSION.

There's no such thing as sedentary TDEE. TDEE, by definition, HAS to include exercise. If you're not including exercise, you aren't calculating TDEE... you're calculating your BMR + NEAT.

Just as a matter of convenience, some people prefer to use the TDEE-X% method but still want to eat back their exercise calories. I don't know how much confusion it really causes.

You're technically right, but TDEE is an imprecise estimation anyway and I don't see the point in being pedantic about it.

tomcornhole

You're technically right, but TDEE is an imprecise estimation anyway and I don't see the point in being pedantic about it.

You can calculate TDEE very accurately from your MFP data. (see the top of this page)

BTW, I had to look up what pedantic meant. It's my new word of the day. Now to find a way to use it in a sentence with my kids.

norcal_yogi

bump cause i want to comment later

3dogsrunning

You are not having a stall, you are having an increase in water weight for muscle recovery. It's normal.

But I agree with everyone else that you're not eating enough. If you calculate your TDEE for sedentary activity, you need to eat back those exercise calories.

Also start tracking your measurements in addition to scale weight. I exercise a lot, and last month I lost only 3lbs, but 2.5 inches off my waist.

CAN PEOPLE STOP SAYING THAT???? ALL IT DOES IS CAUSE CONFUSION.

There's no such thing as sedentary TDEE. TDEE, by definition, HAS to include exercise. If you're not including exercise, you aren't calculating TDEE... you're calculating your BMR + NEAT.

Just as a matter of convenience, some people prefer to use the TDEE-X% method but still want to eat back their exercise calories. I don't know how much confusion it really causes.

You're technically right, but TDEE is an imprecise estimation anyway and I don't see the point in being pedantic about it.

I get what you are saying but it does cause a bit of confusion here due to the way MFP is also set up and the already existing confusion of "eating back" exercise calories. I know I have seen it a number of times on the forum, especially where the person says they calculated TDEE, should they eat the calorie from exercise back and they are told "no" when they are actually doing TDEE @ sedentary - 20%

Sarauk2sf

I am 5'2 154lbs exercise 4/5 days a week and my TDEE -20 is about 1700. I too have broken stalls through stopping exercise for 1 week. I dont know why it happens, I am guessing I dont eat enough.

Lyle also wrote an article on this (or is it in the same one) but the whole site isn't working. It has to do with the hormones produced. Basically you are stressing your body and the break allows for relief of that. Many people experience the same thing.

I think you are referring to this one (different one) - but this is re diet break as opposed to a training break.


http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-full-diet-break.html

Site is down (still) though.

3dogsrunning

I am 5'2 154lbs exercise 4/5 days a week and my TDEE -20 is about 1700. I too have broken stalls through stopping exercise for 1 week. I dont know why it happens, I am guessing I dont eat enough.

Lyle also wrote an article on this (or is it in the same one) but the whole site isn't working. It has to do with the hormones produced. Basically you are stressing your body and the break allows for relief of that. Many people experience the same thing.

I think you are referring to this one (different one) - but this is re diet break as opposed to a training break.


http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-full-diet-break.html

Site is down (still) though.

I don't think I read that one but who knows, so not sure. I also went back to check the site earlier

Ed98043

If you always lose pounds while taking a break from exercise, it doesn't mean you'll lose the same pounds if you don't exercise at all. It may the combination of exercise and breaks that signals your body to shed fat.

holothuroidea

You're technically right, but TDEE is an imprecise estimation anyway and I don't see the point in being pedantic about it.

You can calculate TDEE very accurately from your MFP data. (see the top of this page)

BTW, I had to look up what pedantic meant. It's my new word of the day. Now to find a way to use it in a sentence with my kids.

I'm seeing this through an analytical chemist's eyes, your standards for accuracy might be different from mine, but you cannot calculate TDEE with any kind of precision or accuracy from your MFP data. The amount of assumptions and estimations you have to make to get there render the result useless because it takes about 10x less work to get a result with an online calculator that has the same amount of accuracy.

There is absolutely nothing accurate about TDEEs. They are estimations. Very useful ones, but still only estimations.

tomcornhole

I'm seeing this through an analytical chemist's eyes, your standards for accuracy might be different from mine, but you cannot calculate TDEE with any kind of precision or accuracy from your MFP data. The amount of assumptions and estimations you have to make to get there render the result useless because it takes about 10x less work to get a result with an online calculator that has the same amount of accuracy.

There is absolutely nothing accurate about TDEEs. They are estimations. Very useful ones, but still only estimations.

I am curious to know what you think the inaccuracies are and how they effect the output. Not being snide, I want to know.

My thoughts: If I enter my caloric intake inaccurately, then the resulting TDEE will be inaccurate. But if I continue to enter the calories with consistent inaccuracy, then the error in TDEE will be consistently biased in one direction. Therefore, if I decide to increase or decrease my caloric intake based on my calculated TDEE, as long as I continue to enter the calories via the same method, I should see a result.

The calories I enter for workouts don't matter because I am not using them to calculate TDEE.

The only other variable is weight loss. I will concede that my simple approach of lbs x 3,500 to calculate calories is flawed. It does not account for changes in body density or water weight. I'm sure there are other things that it does not account for. But it follows the same premise as the calories. Although the resultant TDEE might be inaccurate, because it is derived from MY data, I can track trends and make adjustments and I will get a result.

And I'm a geek.