Carbs VS Fat VS Protein
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I don't worry about my macro mix, as it is irrelevant to my weightloss.
I do prefer protein, and enjoy the feeling or tearing apart flesh, cooked or raw. So I tend to eat more protein, and fewer carbs. I'm not a big fruit fan, and I know I shouldn't eat grains much, considering what they do to my stomach. However, I'm stupid sometimes.
Yes this is true but, it IS relevant as far as body composition goes.
to a certain degree.
It is relevant when you go sub 12%
At any level of body fat macro distribution will play a role, may not be as noticeable at higher levels but certainly will be in your lifts. Also not to mention the hormonal issues of being deficient in a macro-nutrient over an extended amount of time. The most common for example due to bad info: fat.
Past this point is not related to the average person.
The hormonal issue is related to fat intake where it is literally non existent and little to no EFAs are taken within the body.
In regards to glycogen your body doesnt use as much glycogen in a normal lifting routine as people think it does. Even ketogenic people can still maintain a decent amount of strength in relation to inadequate carbohydrate intake and do not feel the effects of fatigue in relation to low carbohydrate intake.
Protein becomes a bigger factor the leaner you are.
People have this assumption that if someone is at 25%+ bodyfat they still need 1lb of protein per lb of bw.
They can go as low as .5 and still maintain adequate muscle mass and strength.
It is all relative to fuel availability such as protein will be determined upon muscle vs fat ratio.
This is also the first time I saw that someone says you will have a hormonal issue from being deficient of protein or carbs
Yes the hormonal issue I was referring mostly to fats.
Going as low as.5 may maintain, but as far as the optimal amount is concerned this is just wrong. This is in regards to someone who is aiming for muscle hypertrophy.
Abrupt changes in carbs can affect thyroid function, and also carbs play a role in leptin levels especially when on an extended cut.
Can you link me to a study about higher bf% and protein intakes though? I did not know that.0 -
I don't worry about my macro mix, as it is irrelevant to my weightloss.
I do prefer protein, and enjoy the feeling or tearing apart flesh, cooked or raw. So I tend to eat more protein, and fewer carbs. I'm not a big fruit fan, and I know I shouldn't eat grains much, considering what they do to my stomach. However, I'm stupid sometimes.
Yes this is true but, it IS relevant as far as body composition goes.
to a certain degree.
It is relevant when you go sub 12%
At any level of body fat macro distribution will play a role, may not be as noticeable at higher levels but certainly will be in your lifts. Also not to mention the hormonal issues of being deficient in a macro-nutrient over an extended amount of time. The most common for example due to bad info: fat.
Past this point is not related to the average person.
The hormonal issue is related to fat intake where it is literally non existent and little to no EFAs are taken within the body.
In regards to glycogen your body doesnt use as much glycogen in a normal lifting routine as people think it does. Even ketogenic people can still maintain a decent amount of strength in relation to inadequate carbohydrate intake and do not feel the effects of fatigue in relation to low carbohydrate intake.
Protein becomes a bigger factor the leaner you are.
People have this assumption that if someone is at 25%+ bodyfat they still need 1lb of protein per lb of bw.
They can go as low as .5 and still maintain adequate muscle mass and strength.
It is all relative to fuel availability such as protein will be determined upon muscle vs fat ratio.
This is also the first time I saw that someone says you will have a hormonal issue from being deficient of protein or carbs
While I agree that less protein is required the higher the BF% *if* you base it on body weight. This is not to say it is irrelevant though - the math just needs to change. That is why I usually prefer to use LBM as it at least has a 'self governing' factor. The person with a 25% BF will have a proportionately lower LBM that the same person with a 15% BF.
Protein deficiency (or excess) can possibly cause a downstream impact that will affect hormones - although this is goes more into the 'possible' and 'may' realms when talking about a deficiency as opposed to an excess (and excess is pretty high and varies on the individual).0 -
http://www.simplyshredded.com/protein-intake-how-much-protein-should-you-consume-and-what-does-the-research-really-say.htmlI don't worry about my macro mix, as it is irrelevant to my weightloss.
I do prefer protein, and enjoy the feeling or tearing apart flesh, cooked or raw. So I tend to eat more protein, and fewer carbs. I'm not a big fruit fan, and I know I shouldn't eat grains much, considering what they do to my stomach. However, I'm stupid sometimes.
Yes this is true but, it IS relevant as far as body composition goes.
to a certain degree.
It is relevant when you go sub 12%
At any level of body fat macro distribution will play a role, may not be as noticeable at higher levels but certainly will be in your lifts. Also not to mention the hormonal issues of being deficient in a macro-nutrient over an extended amount of time. The most common for example due to bad info: fat.
Past this point is not related to the average person.
The hormonal issue is related to fat intake where it is literally non existent and little to no EFAs are taken within the body.
In regards to glycogen your body doesnt use as much glycogen in a normal lifting routine as people think it does. Even ketogenic people can still maintain a decent amount of strength in relation to inadequate carbohydrate intake and do not feel the effects of fatigue in relation to low carbohydrate intake.
Protein becomes a bigger factor the leaner you are.
People have this assumption that if someone is at 25%+ bodyfat they still need 1lb of protein per lb of bw.
They can go as low as .5 and still maintain adequate muscle mass and strength.
It is all relative to fuel availability such as protein will be determined upon muscle vs fat ratio.
This is also the first time I saw that someone says you will have a hormonal issue from being deficient of protein or carbs
Yes the hormonal issue I was referring mostly to fats.
Going as low as.5 may maintain, but as far as the optimal amount is concerned this is just wrong. This is in regards to someone who is aiming for muscle hypertrophy.
Abrupt changes in carbs can affect thyroid function, and also carbs play a role in leptin levels especially when on an extended cut.
Can you link me to a study about higher bf% and protein intakes though? I did not know that.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-fundamentals-of-fat-loss-diets-part-2.html
It goes to the fuel availability, while protein intake is important in regards to muscle hypertrophy and retention. if the availability of fuel from fat heavily outweighs muscle, the protein intake for muscle retention goes lower.
And vice versa.
Amino acid composition will play a role into this as well.
The numbers need to be altered the lower the person goes.
ex. 30-25-20-15-12-10-9-8
In regards to leptin it is still highly speculated. The full function is still not fully understood. Such as lean individuals still have lower leptin than an obese individual.
It is still beleived to be a signalling hormone which is created by fat cells. Since a former fatty would have more fat cells than a never-fatty, the former fatty will still be very hungry.
Makes you wonder if lipo-suction on a former fatty would be beneficial.0 -
I don't worry about my macro mix, as it is irrelevant to my weightloss.
I do prefer protein, and enjoy the feeling or tearing apart flesh, cooked or raw. So I tend to eat more protein, and fewer carbs. I'm not a big fruit fan, and I know I shouldn't eat grains much, considering what they do to my stomach. However, I'm stupid sometimes.
Yes this is true but, it IS relevant as far as body composition goes.
to a certain degree.
It is relevant when you go sub 12%
At any level of body fat macro distribution will play a role, may not be as noticeable at higher levels but certainly will be in your lifts. Also not to mention the hormonal issues of being deficient in a macro-nutrient over an extended amount of time. The most common for example due to bad info: fat.
Past this point is not related to the average person.
The hormonal issue is related to fat intake where it is literally non existent and little to no EFAs are taken within the body.
In regards to glycogen your body doesnt use as much glycogen in a normal lifting routine as people think it does. Even ketogenic people can still maintain a decent amount of strength in relation to inadequate carbohydrate intake and do not feel the effects of fatigue in relation to low carbohydrate intake.
Protein becomes a bigger factor the leaner you are.
People have this assumption that if someone is at 25%+ bodyfat they still need 1lb of protein per lb of bw.
They can go as low as .5 and still maintain adequate muscle mass and strength.
It is all relative to fuel availability such as protein will be determined upon muscle vs fat ratio.
This is also the first time I saw that someone says you will have a hormonal issue from being deficient of protein or carbs
Yes the hormonal issue I was referring mostly to fats.
Going as low as.5 may maintain, but as far as the optimal amount is concerned this is just wrong. This is in regards to someone who is aiming for muscle hypertrophy.
Abrupt changes in carbs can affect thyroid function, and also carbs play a role in leptin levels especially when on an extended cut.
Can you link me to a study about higher bf% and protein intakes though? I did not know that.
Sorry to jump in, but they discuss it in the Protein Round Table with Eric Helms and Alan Aragon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFObr7rc1kA
It's long but worth listening to (more than once
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http://www.simplyshredded.com/protein-intake-how-much-protein-should-you-consume-and-what-does-the-research-really-say.htmlI don't worry about my macro mix, as it is irrelevant to my weightloss.
I do prefer protein, and enjoy the feeling or tearing apart flesh, cooked or raw. So I tend to eat more protein, and fewer carbs. I'm not a big fruit fan, and I know I shouldn't eat grains much, considering what they do to my stomach. However, I'm stupid sometimes.
Yes this is true but, it IS relevant as far as body composition goes.
to a certain degree.
It is relevant when you go sub 12%
At any level of body fat macro distribution will play a role, may not be as noticeable at higher levels but certainly will be in your lifts. Also not to mention the hormonal issues of being deficient in a macro-nutrient over an extended amount of time. The most common for example due to bad info: fat.
Past this point is not related to the average person.
The hormonal issue is related to fat intake where it is literally non existent and little to no EFAs are taken within the body.
In regards to glycogen your body doesnt use as much glycogen in a normal lifting routine as people think it does. Even ketogenic people can still maintain a decent amount of strength in relation to inadequate carbohydrate intake and do not feel the effects of fatigue in relation to low carbohydrate intake.
Protein becomes a bigger factor the leaner you are.
People have this assumption that if someone is at 25%+ bodyfat they still need 1lb of protein per lb of bw.
They can go as low as .5 and still maintain adequate muscle mass and strength.
It is all relative to fuel availability such as protein will be determined upon muscle vs fat ratio.
This is also the first time I saw that someone says you will have a hormonal issue from being deficient of protein or carbs
Yes the hormonal issue I was referring mostly to fats.
Going as low as.5 may maintain, but as far as the optimal amount is concerned this is just wrong. This is in regards to someone who is aiming for muscle hypertrophy.
Abrupt changes in carbs can affect thyroid function, and also carbs play a role in leptin levels especially when on an extended cut.
Can you link me to a study about higher bf% and protein intakes though? I did not know that.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/the-fundamentals-of-fat-loss-diets-part-2.html
It goes to the fuel availability, while protein intake is important in regards to muscle hypertrophy and retention. if the availability of fuel from fat heavily outweighs muscle, the protein intake for muscle retention goes lower.
And vice versa.
Amino acid composition will play a role into this as well.
The numbers need to be altered the lower the person goes.
ex. 30-25-20-15-12-10-9-8
In regards to leptin it is still highly speculated. The full function is still not fully understood. Such as lean individuals still have lower leptin than an obese individual.
It is still beleived to be a signalling hormone which is created by fat cells. Since a former fatty would have more fat cells than a never-fatty, the former fatty will still be very hungry.
Makes you wonder if lipo-suction on a former fatty would be beneficial.
Thanks for the links. Will check them out and get back to ya when I get the chance. :glasses:0 -
The problem I see with LBM is fat calipers and electrode ways of measurement are being interpreted as the proper form of measurement. When I started lifting I was 13-16% bodyfat when I was clearly 25%+.I don't worry about my macro mix, as it is irrelevant to my weightloss.
I do prefer protein, and enjoy the feeling or tearing apart flesh, cooked or raw. So I tend to eat more protein, and fewer carbs. I'm not a big fruit fan, and I know I shouldn't eat grains much, considering what they do to my stomach. However, I'm stupid sometimes.
Yes this is true but, it IS relevant as far as body composition goes.
to a certain degree.
It is relevant when you go sub 12%
At any level of body fat macro distribution will play a role, may not be as noticeable at higher levels but certainly will be in your lifts. Also not to mention the hormonal issues of being deficient in a macro-nutrient over an extended amount of time. The most common for example due to bad info: fat.
Past this point is not related to the average person.
The hormonal issue is related to fat intake where it is literally non existent and little to no EFAs are taken within the body.
In regards to glycogen your body doesnt use as much glycogen in a normal lifting routine as people think it does. Even ketogenic people can still maintain a decent amount of strength in relation to inadequate carbohydrate intake and do not feel the effects of fatigue in relation to low carbohydrate intake.
Protein becomes a bigger factor the leaner you are.
People have this assumption that if someone is at 25%+ bodyfat they still need 1lb of protein per lb of bw.
They can go as low as .5 and still maintain adequate muscle mass and strength.
It is all relative to fuel availability such as protein will be determined upon muscle vs fat ratio.
This is also the first time I saw that someone says you will have a hormonal issue from being deficient of protein or carbs
While I agree that less protein is required the higher the BF% *if* you base it on body weight. This is not to say it is irrelevant though - the math just needs to change. That is why I usually prefer to use LBM as it at least has a 'self governing' factor. The person with a 25% BF will have a proportionately lower LBM that the same person with a 15% BF.
Protein deficiency (or excess) can possibly cause a downstream impact that will affect hormones - although this is goes more into the 'possible' and 'may' realms when talking about a deficiency as opposed to an excess (and excess is pretty high and varies on the individual).
A trained individual, the numbers will not be vary as much.
This forum is mainly comprised of overweight people rather than bodybuilders or athletes. Their numbers will vary much higher than someone who is clearly 15%.
Well I guess its cause the physiological requirement of protein is so low I couldnt imagine someone going that low.0 -
The problem I see with LBM is fat calipers and electrode ways of measurement are being interpreted as the proper form of measurement. When I started lifting I was 13-16% bodyfat when I was clearly 25%+.I don't worry about my macro mix, as it is irrelevant to my weightloss.
I do prefer protein, and enjoy the feeling or tearing apart flesh, cooked or raw. So I tend to eat more protein, and fewer carbs. I'm not a big fruit fan, and I know I shouldn't eat grains much, considering what they do to my stomach. However, I'm stupid sometimes.
Yes this is true but, it IS relevant as far as body composition goes.
to a certain degree.
It is relevant when you go sub 12%
At any level of body fat macro distribution will play a role, may not be as noticeable at higher levels but certainly will be in your lifts. Also not to mention the hormonal issues of being deficient in a macro-nutrient over an extended amount of time. The most common for example due to bad info: fat.
Past this point is not related to the average person.
The hormonal issue is related to fat intake where it is literally non existent and little to no EFAs are taken within the body.
In regards to glycogen your body doesnt use as much glycogen in a normal lifting routine as people think it does. Even ketogenic people can still maintain a decent amount of strength in relation to inadequate carbohydrate intake and do not feel the effects of fatigue in relation to low carbohydrate intake.
Protein becomes a bigger factor the leaner you are.
People have this assumption that if someone is at 25%+ bodyfat they still need 1lb of protein per lb of bw.
They can go as low as .5 and still maintain adequate muscle mass and strength.
It is all relative to fuel availability such as protein will be determined upon muscle vs fat ratio.
This is also the first time I saw that someone says you will have a hormonal issue from being deficient of protein or carbs
While I agree that less protein is required the higher the BF% *if* you base it on body weight. This is not to say it is irrelevant though - the math just needs to change. That is why I usually prefer to use LBM as it at least has a 'self governing' factor. The person with a 25% BF will have a proportionately lower LBM that the same person with a 15% BF.
Protein deficiency (or excess) can possibly cause a downstream impact that will affect hormones - although this is goes more into the 'possible' and 'may' realms when talking about a deficiency as opposed to an excess (and excess is pretty high and varies on the individual).
A trained individual, the numbers will not be vary as much.
This forum is mainly comprised of overweight people rather than bodybuilders or athletes. Their numbers will vary much higher than someone who is clearly 15%.
Well I guess its cause the physiological requirement of protein is so low I couldnt imagine someone going that low.
I totally agree that people often have no clue as to their BF%. The way I look at it is, it is better than using total body weight as that is so variable and most of the studies are done on leaner individuals and so you end up with the 'lesser of the evils' If someone is significantly overweight, the amount needed is less, especially if they are new to training. Assuming no medical issues, going higher is fine, especially as protein has a greater satiety. Being 'too low' for an actual deficiency is highly unlikely and so you really are in the adequate v optimal discussions, especially in a more overweight individual.0 -
Thanks for the links. Will check them out and get back to ya when I get the chance. :glasses:
The article is a really good one fwiw0 -
looking into this myself so bump0
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30g is very low for Primal Blueprint - actually just read rhis 5 minutes ago.......http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-primal-carbohydrate-continuum/#axzz2T3OYCN660
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The problem I see with LBM is fat calipers and electrode ways of measurement are being interpreted as the proper form of measurement. When I started lifting I was 13-16% bodyfat when I was clearly 25%+.I don't worry about my macro mix, as it is irrelevant to my weightloss.
I do prefer protein, and enjoy the feeling or tearing apart flesh, cooked or raw. So I tend to eat more protein, and fewer carbs. I'm not a big fruit fan, and I know I shouldn't eat grains much, considering what they do to my stomach. However, I'm stupid sometimes.
Yes this is true but, it IS relevant as far as body composition goes.
to a certain degree.
It is relevant when you go sub 12%
At any level of body fat macro distribution will play a role, may not be as noticeable at higher levels but certainly will be in your lifts. Also not to mention the hormonal issues of being deficient in a macro-nutrient over an extended amount of time. The most common for example due to bad info: fat.
Past this point is not related to the average person.
The hormonal issue is related to fat intake where it is literally non existent and little to no EFAs are taken within the body.
In regards to glycogen your body doesnt use as much glycogen in a normal lifting routine as people think it does. Even ketogenic people can still maintain a decent amount of strength in relation to inadequate carbohydrate intake and do not feel the effects of fatigue in relation to low carbohydrate intake.
Protein becomes a bigger factor the leaner you are.
People have this assumption that if someone is at 25%+ bodyfat they still need 1lb of protein per lb of bw.
They can go as low as .5 and still maintain adequate muscle mass and strength.
It is all relative to fuel availability such as protein will be determined upon muscle vs fat ratio.
This is also the first time I saw that someone says you will have a hormonal issue from being deficient of protein or carbs
While I agree that less protein is required the higher the BF% *if* you base it on body weight. This is not to say it is irrelevant though - the math just needs to change. That is why I usually prefer to use LBM as it at least has a 'self governing' factor. The person with a 25% BF will have a proportionately lower LBM that the same person with a 15% BF.
Protein deficiency (or excess) can possibly cause a downstream impact that will affect hormones - although this is goes more into the 'possible' and 'may' realms when talking about a deficiency as opposed to an excess (and excess is pretty high and varies on the individual).
A trained individual, the numbers will not be vary as much.
This forum is mainly comprised of overweight people rather than bodybuilders or athletes. Their numbers will vary much higher than someone who is clearly 15%.
Well I guess its cause the physiological requirement of protein is so low I couldnt imagine someone going that low.
Yes this is true speaking from an objective point of view. My original comment to body composition was mostly referring to the average lifter. If one were trying to get their daily min intake of protein it would be relatively easily, assuming that individual was not interested in LBM preservation.
Also, yes calipers and those hand-held devices are extremely inaccurate.0 -
I did all that primal stuff ( and under 30g carbs a day) for a while, seemed to sort out my being hungry all time.
The it stopped working for me and I'm back on 40c/30f/30p ish eating whatever comes to hand.
Going OK, cheesecake and peanut M&Ms formed part of my day 0 -
Running day - 2409 cals; 30 P, 35 F, 35 C
Lifting days - 1874 cals; 40 P, 30 F, 30 C0 -
I can listen to Eric and especially Alan but Ian McCarthy is a no it all who doesn't even look like he worksout. Good thing he is doing the interview.Sorry to jump in, but they discuss it in the Protein Round Table with Eric Helms and Alan Aragonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFObr7rc1kA
It's long but worth listening to (more than once )0 -
I can listen to Eric and especially Alan but Ian McCarthy is a no it all who doesn't even look like he worksout. Good thing he is doing the interview.Sorry to jump in, but they discuss it in the Protein Round Table with Eric Helms and Alan Aragonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFObr7rc1kA
It's long but worth listening to (more than once )
Ian is actually really knowledgeable (if a little annoying). He is young so does not have the physique of many of the others. He also overcame anorexia and so had further to go to look big. Knowledge about protein does not require a good physique.0 -
lifting helps more in muscle preservation rather than running.Running day - 2409 cals; 30 P, 35 F, 35 C
Lifting days - 1874 cals; 40 P, 30 F, 30 C
it may actually be more beneficial to have a higher protein intake on a running day.
you could drop fat to 25 and increase protein on the running day, but not everyday0 -
I can listen to Eric and especially Alan but Ian McCarthy is a no it all who doesn't even look like he worksout. Good thing he is doing the interview.Sorry to jump in, but they discuss it in the Protein Round Table with Eric Helms and Alan Aragonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFObr7rc1kA
It's long but worth listening to (more than once )
Ian is actually really knowledgeable (if a little annoying). He is young so does not have the physique of many of the others. He also overcame anorexia and so had further to go to look big. Knowledge about protein does not require a good physique.
knowledgeable or not he has no credentials and he acts like a little **** toward other people online by being rude.
If someone doesnt know any better make an attempt to educate them and then you can bash them if they remain ignorant,. not by making call out videos and being rude.
He has alot of learning to do. I dont care if he fought anorexia because I personally fought a mild form of bulimia, there is no reason to be so rude.
He wont win people over in the scientific community with a personality like that0 -
I can listen to Eric and especially Alan but Ian McCarthy is a no it all who doesn't even look like he worksout. Good thing he is doing the interview.Sorry to jump in, but they discuss it in the Protein Round Table with Eric Helms and Alan Aragonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFObr7rc1kA
It's long but worth listening to (more than once )
Ian is actually really knowledgeable (if a little annoying). He is young so does not have the physique of many of the others. He also overcame anorexia and so had further to go to look big. Knowledge about protein does not require a good physique.
knowledgeable or not he has no credentials and he acts like a little **** toward other people online by being rude.
If someone doesnt know any better make an attempt to educate them and then you can bash them if they remain ignorant,. not by making call out videos and being rude.
He has alot of learning to do. I dont care if he fought anorexia because I personally fought a mild form of bulimia, there is no reason to be so rude.
He wont win people over in the scientific community with a personality like that
The anorexia comment was in direct response to the 'does not look like he lifts' comment.
I did not argue that he is not annoying and/or rude. That does not detract from their knowledge...look at Lyle's recent meltdowns.
Good discussion from Alan Aragon (who does have credentials) re credentials: http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/11/18/paper-credentials-vs-the-fitness-industry/
Edited for typo.0 -
I guess you are referring to the Layne vs Lyle debate.The anorexia comment was in direct response to the 'does not look like he lifts' comment.
I did not argue that he is not annoying and/or rude. That does not detract from their knowledge...look at Lyle's recent meltdowns.
Edited for typo.0 -
I get a minimum of 1g protein per lb/lbm and 0.35g fats per lb/body weight - the rest I fill in wherever, but trying to keep carbs up as much as possible while still being able to eat food I like.
Exactly My Approach As Well. Has Worked Very Well For Me. Damn Phone Caps Everything. lol0 -
20c / 40f / 40p - My reasons for this is I am following a 1800 cal diet. I'm an Endomorph body type
I want protein at 1g per lb of lean body mass. My lean body mass is around 180lbs therefore 40% of 1800 cals = 720 cals divided by 4 = 180g protein
I want to keep below 100g of carbs per day therefore 1800 divided by 100g x 4cal = 450 = 25% of total cals (rounded down to 20% because mfp doesn't allow 25%
Rest is allocated to fat which equals 40%
Great article on macro ratios and fat loss depending on body types here
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ask-the-ripped-dude-magical-macronutrient-ratio-for-fat-loss.html
It doesn't?
Mine are at 30/30/40 C/F/P which at 2500 cal is 187g/187g/111g.0 -
I guess you are referring to the Layne vs Lyle debate.The anorexia comment was in direct response to the 'does not look like he lifts' comment.
I did not argue that he is not annoying and/or rude. That does not detract from their knowledge...look at Lyle's recent meltdowns.
Edited for typo.
No only that - just before that was the Lyle v Martin and the Lyle v Contreras and as a peripheral the Lyle v Aragon sh!tstorms. Recurring theme there...Lyle.0 -
I will check those out. I am going to guess that Lyle went on a frenzy while the others kept their composure.
I guess you are referring to the Layne vs Lyle debate.The anorexia comment was in direct response to the 'does not look like he lifts' comment.
I did not argue that he is not annoying and/or rude. That does not detract from their knowledge...look at Lyle's recent meltdowns.
Edited for typo.
No only that - just before that was the Lyle v Martin and the Lyle v Contreras and as a peripheral the Lyle v Aragon sh!tstorms. Recurring theme there...Lyle.0 -
Oh I completely agree. I feel that I know that know more about nutrition than most of the nutrition majors I have came across.
I can listen to Eric and especially Alan but Ian McCarthy is a no it all who doesn't even look like he worksout. Good thing he is doing the interview.Sorry to jump in, but they discuss it in the Protein Round Table with Eric Helms and Alan Aragonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFObr7rc1kA
It's long but worth listening to (more than once )
Ian is actually really knowledgeable (if a little annoying). He is young so does not have the physique of many of the others. He also overcame anorexia and so had further to go to look big. Knowledge about protein does not require a good physique.
knowledgeable or not he has no credentials and he acts like a little **** toward other people online by being rude.
If someone doesnt know any better make an attempt to educate them and then you can bash them if they remain ignorant,. not by making call out videos and being rude.
He has alot of learning to do. I dont care if he fought anorexia because I personally fought a mild form of bulimia, there is no reason to be so rude.
He wont win people over in the scientific community with a personality like that
The anorexia comment was in direct response to the 'does not look like he lifts' comment.
I did not argue that he is not annoying and/or rude. That does not detract from their knowledge...look at Lyle's recent meltdowns.
Good discussion from Alan Aragon (who does have credentials) re credentials: http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/11/18/paper-credentials-vs-the-fitness-industry/
Edited for typo.
The thing is he has no rep or no cred to be acting like such a way.
Lyle has meltdowns but we know he is smart. He has interpreted countless studies and done many readings.
The thing is we know that Lyle is right in many things, even if I dont agree with his online persona(Even though I laugh at his meltdowns). He has a reputation.
Ian tries to proclaim himself as an online guru, but he spits out information that has been said by the bigger guys. I admire what he is trying to do with the truth, I dont like how he is doing it cause he is making many educated in the people in the community seem like pieces of ****.
I am not even talking about the rest of these people who talk about IIFYM without knowing the true basis of the diet. The fact it was made to cover micronutrient intake as well. not just by taking in protein powders, waxy maize, and olive oil as sources of food.
You already know my personal beliefs with people that are so concrete with these followings and do not follow moderation and this goes both ways of veganism, paleo dieters, and people who literally take it as IF IT FITS YOUR MACROS with disregard of micronutrients, phytochemicals, and antioxidants0 -
Oh I completely agree. I feel that I know that know more about nutrition than most of the nutrition majors I have came across.
The thing is he has no rep or no cred to be acting like such a way.
Lyle has meltdowns but we know he is smart. He has interpreted countless studies and done many readings.
The thing is we know that Lyle is right in many things, even if I dont agree with his online persona(Even though I laugh at his meltdowns). He has a reputation.
Ian tries to proclaim himself as an online guru, but he spits out information that has been said by the bigger guys. I admire what he is trying to do with the truth, I dont like how he is doing it cause he is making many educated in the people in the community seem like pieces of ****.
I am not even talking about the rest of these people who talk about IIFYM without knowing the true basis of the diet. The fact it was made to cover micronutrient intake as well. not just by taking in protein powders, waxy maize, and olive oil as sources of food.
You already know my personal beliefs with people that are so concrete with these followings and do not follow moderation and this goes both ways of veganism, paleo dieters, and people who literally take it as IF IT FITS YOUR MACROS with disregard of micronutrients, phytochemicals, and antioxidants
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I absolutely agree that his approach is often abrasive and sometimes too black and white. As he gets older hopefully he will learn to temper his approach as he really does have good things to say (probably because he listens to the 'right people' as you say).
There do seem to be a lot of volatile egos in the industry. I think that is why I like Helms so much - he always comes across as reasonable and not arrogant. Plus he can back his shiz up!0 -
Oh I completely agree. I feel that I know that know more about nutrition than most of the nutrition majors I have came across.
The thing is he has no rep or no cred to be acting like such a way.
Lyle has meltdowns but we know he is smart. He has interpreted countless studies and done many readings.
The thing is we know that Lyle is right in many things, even if I dont agree with his online persona(Even though I laugh at his meltdowns). He has a reputation.
Ian tries to proclaim himself as an online guru, but he spits out information that has been said by the bigger guys. I admire what he is trying to do with the truth, I dont like how he is doing it cause he is making many educated in the people in the community seem like pieces of ****.
I am not even talking about the rest of these people who talk about IIFYM without knowing the true basis of the diet. The fact it was made to cover micronutrient intake as well. not just by taking in protein powders, waxy maize, and olive oil as sources of food.
You already know my personal beliefs with people that are so concrete with these followings and do not follow moderation and this goes both ways of veganism, paleo dieters, and people who literally take it as IF IT FITS YOUR MACROS with disregard of micronutrients, phytochemicals, and antioxidants
Taking off infini-quotes
I absolutely agree that his approach is often abrasive and sometimes too black and white. As he gets older hopefully he will learn to temper his approach as he really does have good things to say (probably because he listens to the 'right people' as you say).
There do seem to be a lot of volatile egos in the industry. I think that is why I like Helms so much - he always comes across as reasonable and not arrogant. Plus he can back his shiz up!
My favorite is always Alan. He is always very humble and calm. He doesnt let the heat get to him.0 -
Carbs 50%, Protein 25%, Fats 25%
this ^^ is what i do as well. I never eat all my fat for the day, but ill go over on protein which i dont mind at all.
So its more like 50% carbs 30% protein 20% fats0 -
I do fine with 50% carbs, 25% protein and 25% fat. I've steadily lost weight.... 65 pounds so far.0
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40p/35c/25f
this has woked for me thus far.0 -
I have mine set at 40% carbs, 30% protein and 30% fat.
But I feel like I have the most energy when my carbs are at about 50% and my protein at 30% and my fat at 20%
It depends on the day I guess.
My main focus is that I at least get 100 grams of protein which most of the time I do.0
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