If I'm not allowed to use the word 'tone'...

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  • skyblu263
    skyblu263 Posts: 91 Member
    I admit, I can't stand the word "tone" either. lol! Even though it's a pretty accurate word to describe what's going on. The word "tone" has a negative connotation for woman working to gain muscle. I am on a weightloss journey and a muscle gain journey. When I hear a woman say "I don't want muscle, I just want to 'tone,'" IT MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To gain muscle is to "tone." And many women have this whole "I don't want to look like a man" thing, that the word "tone" is used so inaccurately.

    I think you should use any word you want to describe the change in your body. But, it's definitely true, if a female says the word "tone," it's usually followed by the "I don't want to look like a man" statement, which then makes the woman saying it seem totally ignorant to the world of muscle gaining.

    I say "muscle gains" or "muscle gaining."
    But, DO YOU regardless of what people think!! :D
  • TravisBikes
    TravisBikes Posts: 674 Member
    Stop. Before you get muscles. Or bulky!

    Gasp.
  • goodtimezzzz
    goodtimezzzz Posts: 640 Member
    great job Toning!! love that word! and carving as well;)
  • InnerConflict
    InnerConflict Posts: 1,592 Member
    It is acceptable to use the word if you include a bra & panty picture.
  • Iron_Lotus
    Iron_Lotus Posts: 2,295 Member
    Hard
  • BurtHuttz
    BurtHuttz Posts: 3,653 Member
    Hard
    Not yet but I'm willing to listen.
  • BeachGingerOnTheRocks
    BeachGingerOnTheRocks Posts: 3,927 Member
    Here are the steps:

    1) Stop caring what a bunch of twitchy people think about a word that accurately describes the muscle to which you refer.

    2) Carry on.
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    you dont have ANY fat?!
  • billsica
    billsica Posts: 4,741 Member
    Tune

    As in, I went to the pool hall and really sunk that sk8 ball, tuning up my legs when I did.
  • saxmaniac
    saxmaniac Posts: 1,133 Member
    ... how the fk am i going describe what is happening to my thighs? as i run and sk8 more every day, they are changing shape: getting bigger, and turning into convex constructions of flat planes with angles now (as opposed to the concave and smooth roundness of the past). i'm not losing fat (i don't have any).

    Maybe I'm nuts but this is still losing fat. If you had 0% fat, you'd be dead.
  • SamanthaClarexo
    SamanthaClarexo Posts: 353 Member
    I admit, I can't stand the word "tone" either. lol! Even though it's a pretty accurate word to describe what's going on. The word "tone" has a negative connotation for woman working to gain muscle. I am on a weightloss journey and a muscle gain journey. When I hear a woman say "I don't want muscle, I just want to 'tone,'" IT MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To gain muscle is to "tone." And many women have this whole "I don't want to look like a man" thing, that the word "tone" is used so inaccurately.

    I think you should use any word you want to describe the change in your body. But, it's definitely true, if a female says the word "tone," it's usually followed by the "I don't want to look like a man" statement, which then makes the woman saying it seem totally ignorant to the world of muscle gaining.

    I say "muscle gains" or "muscle gaining."
    But, DO YOU regardless of what people think!! :D

    YES YES YES! She nailed it.
  • Mustang_Susie
    Mustang_Susie Posts: 7,045 Member
    Well if you can't have muscular tone then why can you have muscular atony? :huh:
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    you are over thirty, and not avril lavigne. don't use sk8 either.


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  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    I admit, I can't stand the word "tone" either. lol! Even though it's a pretty accurate word to describe what's going on. The word "tone" has a negative connotation for woman working to gain muscle. I am on a weightloss journey and a muscle gain journey. When I hear a woman say "I don't want muscle, I just want to 'tone,'" IT MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To gain muscle is to "tone." And many women have this whole "I don't want to look like a man" thing, that the word "tone" is used so inaccurately.

    I think you should use any word you want to describe the change in your body. But, it's definitely true, if a female says the word "tone," it's usually followed by the "I don't want to look like a man" statement, which then makes the woman saying it seem totally ignorant to the world of muscle gaining.

    I say "muscle gains" or "muscle gaining."
    But, DO YOU regardless of what people think!! :D

    Ironically, your use of the word "journey" makes me want to scream.

    OK, maybe not scream, but definitely chortle.
  • craigmandu
    craigmandu Posts: 976 Member
    Use it as you want....don't matter to me.

    I don't get all "wrapped around the wheel" over how someone spells, their grammar, the correct adjective, adverb, or even "dangling participle"....and I could care less if you lose or loose weight....
  • saxmaniac
    saxmaniac Posts: 1,133 Member
    When I hear a woman say "I don't want muscle, I just want to 'tone,'" IT MAKES ME WANT TO SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To gain muscle is to "tone." And many women have this whole "I don't want to look like a man" thing, that the word "tone" is used so inaccurately. I think you should use any word you want to describe the change in your body.

    So any word is OK... except "tone"? ;)

    You have to realize newbs often use the wrong word, but they still have a meaning to them.
    But, it's definitely true, if a female says the word "tone," it's usually followed by the "I don't want to look like a man" statement, which then makes the woman saying it seem totally ignorant to the world of muscle gaining.

    Newbs don't know the difference between lowering bodyfat % and gaining new muscle, even though they are separate things. To them, if they lower the BF% enough to lose the flab, they think WHOA I GAINED MUSCLE!

    When you hear "tone", just mentally translate it to "I want to lose the all the jiggly flab, but no so much that I can see muscle definition, somewhere around 22-24% BF".

    You smart fitness people know what they're really talking about, but they don't. Help 'em out. Just let them know what they really are looking for, how to get it, and how lifting heavy weights won't accidentally make them bulky or too cut without serious sustained effort.
  • SoDamnHungry
    SoDamnHungry Posts: 6,998 Member
    Dragon kick anyone who won't let you say tone.
  • craigmandu
    craigmandu Posts: 976 Member
    Dragon kick anyone who won't let you say tone.

    I happen to like tornado kicks more...but w/e.
  • mushroomcup
    mushroomcup Posts: 145 Member
    Whenever I hear/read someone getting tetchy about any of the following terms (as far as language precision goes), I tend to put them on my mental "henceforth ignore this person" list:

    tone/toned/toning
    the weight of fat vs muscle
    skinny fat
    thigh gap
    curvy

    Also, I agree that the term "journey" is a tad cheesy, but I don't know why people cringe about it. A bit of cheese is nice every once in a while.
  • soldier4242
    soldier4242 Posts: 1,368 Member
    Whenever I hear/read someone getting tetchy about any of the following terms (as far as language precision goes), I tend to put them on my mental "henceforth ignore this person" list:

    tone/toned/toning
    the weight of fat vs muscle
    skinny fat
    thigh gap
    curvy

    Also, I agree that the term "journey" is a tad cheesy, but I don't know why people cringe about it. A bit of cheese is nice every once in a while.

    While I don't actually go so far as to ignore them I do understand. I think the one thing on your list that might be an exception is "the weight of fat vs muscle." I think the reason I have a dog in that fight is the it isn't based on opinion. On this one issue we have a definite objectively correct answer regardless of what your opinion is. A cubic inch of gold weighs more than a cubic inch of Styrofoam no matter what your opinion is.

    When it comes to issues that are nothing more than opinion I will only follow them so far. When it comes to issues of literal fact I do tend stick with it because it can actually be proven which side is correct.
  • haroon_awan
    haroon_awan Posts: 1,208 Member
    Use whatever f-ing term you wanna use.

    Tone.
    Tone.
    Tone.
    Tune.
    Tune.
    Tune.
    Prune.
    Prune.
    Prune.
  • sheldonz42
    sheldonz42 Posts: 233 Member
    Whenever I hear/read someone getting tetchy about any of the following terms (as far as language precision goes), I tend to put them on my mental "henceforth ignore this person" list:

    tone/toned/toning
    the weight of fat vs muscle
    skinny fat
    thigh gap
    curvy

    Also, I agree that the term "journey" is a tad cheesy, but I don't know why people cringe about it. A bit of cheese is nice every once in a while.

    While I don't actually go so far as to ignore them I do understand. I think the one thing on your list that might be an exception is "the weight of fat vs muscle." I think the reason I have a dog in that fight is the it isn't based on opinion. On this one issue we have a definite objectively correct answer regardless of what your opinion is. A cubic inch of gold weighs more than a cubic inch of Styrofoam no matter what your opinion is.

    When it comes to issues that are nothing more than opinion I will only follow them so far. When it comes to issues of literal fact I do tend stick with it because it can actually be proven which side is correct.

    It would be nice (and better) if folks simply said that muscle is more dense than fat _instead_ of "muscle weighs more than fat." I agree with your sentiment, but think it is often wrongly expressed by a lot of people.
  • soldier4242
    soldier4242 Posts: 1,368 Member
    Whenever I hear/read someone getting tetchy about any of the following terms (as far as language precision goes), I tend to put them on my mental "henceforth ignore this person" list:

    tone/toned/toning
    the weight of fat vs muscle
    skinny fat
    thigh gap
    curvy

    Also, I agree that the term "journey" is a tad cheesy, but I don't know why people cringe about it. A bit of cheese is nice every once in a while.

    While I don't actually go so far as to ignore them I do understand. I think the one thing on your list that might be an exception is "the weight of fat vs muscle." I think the reason I have a dog in that fight is the it isn't based on opinion. On this one issue we have a definite objectively correct answer regardless of what your opinion is. A cubic inch of gold weighs more than a cubic inch of Styrofoam no matter what your opinion is.

    When it comes to issues that are nothing more than opinion I will only follow them so far. When it comes to issues of literal fact I do tend stick with it because it can actually be proven which side is correct.

    It would be nice (and better) if folks simply said that muscle is more dense than fat _instead_ of "muscle weighs more than fat." I agree with your sentiment, but think it is often wrongly expressed by a lot of people.

    I am not sure I understand what you mean. Density is a factor that affects weight. You can say that density is the primary reason that muscle weighs more than fat. It is also the primary reason that gold weighs more than the Styrofoam.

    Could you give me an example of what you mean when you say, "...it is often wrongly expressed by a lot of people" that might help me follow your train of thought a bit better.
  • DalekBrittany
    DalekBrittany Posts: 1,748 Member
    If tone is not something that accurately describes muscle, then someone should really have a talk with the whole of America's medical professionals who use the words "muscle tone" to describe whether or not someone appears to have muscular atrophy. e.g., "Pt appears to have good muscle tone/low muscle tone."
  • DalekBrittany
    DalekBrittany Posts: 1,748 Member
    Also, if one sculpting the muscles is more acceptable around here than toning them, can someone point me in the direction of the nearest art store that sells sculpting clay, and do I need a kiln?
  • sheldonz42
    sheldonz42 Posts: 233 Member
    Whenever I hear/read someone getting tetchy about any of the following terms (as far as language precision goes), I tend to put them on my mental "henceforth ignore this person" list:

    tone/toned/toning
    the weight of fat vs muscle
    skinny fat
    thigh gap
    curvy

    Also, I agree that the term "journey" is a tad cheesy, but I don't know why people cringe about it. A bit of cheese is nice every once in a while.

    While I don't actually go so far as to ignore them I do understand. I think the one thing on your list that might be an exception is "the weight of fat vs muscle." I think the reason I have a dog in that fight is the it isn't based on opinion. On this one issue we have a definite objectively correct answer regardless of what your opinion is. A cubic inch of gold weighs more than a cubic inch of Styrofoam no matter what your opinion is.

    When it comes to issues that are nothing more than opinion I will only follow them so far. When it comes to issues of literal fact I do tend stick with it because it can actually be proven which side is correct.

    It would be nice (and better) if folks simply said that muscle is more dense than fat _instead_ of "muscle weighs more than fat." I agree with your sentiment, but think it is often wrongly expressed by a lot of people.

    I am not sure I understand what you mean. Density is a factor that affects weight. You can say that density is the primary reason that muscle weighs more than fat. It is also the primary reason that gold weighs more than the Styrofoam.

    Could you give me an example of what you mean when you say, "...it is often wrongly expressed by a lot of people" that might help me follow your train of thought a bit better.

    A pound of weight does not weigh more than a pound of muscle, just as a pound of gold does not weigh more than a pound of styrofoam. Gold is more dense than styrofoam, it does not weigh more than styrofoam, the same volume weighs more because of the higher density. I don't know if I am being clear or not, but please let me know.
  • sheldonz42
    sheldonz42 Posts: 233 Member
    Sorry, but as an example, people will simply say that muscle weighs more than fat. That is not strictly true as a stand alone statement. Muscle weighs more by volume than fat due to its higher density.
  • twelfty
    twelfty Posts: 576 Member
    the muscle vs fat thing is one that gets me, i think alot of it comes from the fact fat and muscle sit on the body differently, muscles are on your bones so they sit close, they're dense and tough so physically/visually it looks smaller, where as fat sits on top of muscle and is soft and protrudes from the body giving the appearance of being heavier

    whoever compared a pound of muscle to a pound of fat is missing the point... the common misconception isn't that a pound of muscle is lighter or heavier than a pound of fat it's that the same volume of fat as muscle is heavier which obviously isn't true due to density.
  • DalekBrittany
    DalekBrittany Posts: 1,748 Member
    How did this turn in to yet another stupid muscle vs fat debate? :huh:
  • BurtHuttz
    BurtHuttz Posts: 3,653 Member
    Sorry, but as an example, people will simply say that muscle weighs more than fat. That is not strictly true as a stand alone statement. Muscle weighs more by volume than fat due to its higher density.

    By unit, in this case volume, is implied.

    Trucks weigh more than bicycles is true. Because one unit of trucks weigh more than one unit of bicycles. While one pound of bicycles weighs the same as one pound of trucks, no rational person would assume that we are comparing pounds to pounds.

    Similarly no rational person would assume that you were comparing pounds of muscle to pounds of fat. Muscle does weigh more than fat in the same way that trucks weigh more than bicycles.

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