Doctor says eating below BMR is fine
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i love how everyone is slandering doctors as if they are dumb as bricks. while they may not be as schooled in nutrition as a dietitian...they went to med school, and none of you did! (and that assumption IS correct, cause you wouldn't be dissing them if you was one of them, right?)
p.s. dietitians are what you want. nutritionists aren't standardized. enough said :P
I think it's very important to understand that doctors know little about nutrition and health. Yet, most of them give advice and medications every day to do with both of those things. Many harm people with their bad advice and treatments.
Doctors learn about disease and treatment of symptoms. Their education is very influenced by the pharmaceutical industry. Doctors have their uses, but to go in and accept everything they say and do without question is just plain foolish. Trust them blindly just because they are highly educated on a narrow scope of subjects? Well, you can choose to do that if you like.
Dieticians and nutritionists aren't a whole lot better imo. They are still the product of what they learned in school. The nutritionist in my community pushes a completely unhealthy, culturally inappropriate grain/sugar based diet. But on Friday she was buying hotdogs, Velveeta, and bread for her own supper. But if people eat some natural animal fat from wild animals, as they have for thousands of years, god forbid!
There is nothing wrong with using our own brains to determine if what an "expert" tells us actually makes sense. I know that common sense and critical thinking is getting pretty rare these days.... :sad:
I also think its safe to assume a doctor knows more about weight loss and diet than a random poster on the internet who reads others opinions and taks them as fact.
Obviously, you feel that it's safe to make that assumption. I'd say it's better to assume nothing.
It's not like anyone can make you do anything that you don't want to do, so it seems rather pointless to waste time arguing the issue on the forum. "My doctor says you guys are wrong, so there!"0 -
most people on this forum strongly say whenever BMR is mentioned, never eat below bmr is often trotted out on here so i went for a professional opinion.
Professionals can be morons, too. It sounds like that was the case here. A doctor can treat you if you're sick, but can rarely tell you what you need to do to be well.0 -
Surviving while slowing down metabolism and eating up muscle mass is one option.
Any concrete data that proves ive slown down my metabolism?? im losing around 2lbs per week which fits my deficit, im visibly losing fat around my stomach, my abs are already far more visible than 3 weeks ago, ive been told this by numerous people already, as for muscle, you dont lose muscle if you eat a good portion of protein and perform weight resistance training (any fitness instructor will tell you this), which im doing, i whilst granted i havnt run a tape measure across my bicep recently id say visually they're certainly not smaller than they were when i started, my fat loss is though.
I just dont get this idea of pigging out on food to match some online guesstamation number if your not hungry? surely your own body knows better than an internet calculator?
I agree pigging out on food to reach an online guestimation is foolish...
I also agree that many PCP and docs are not very educated on nutrition. I had a doctor tell me that despite being at the ideal weight for my height, everything else about me being quite healthy etc, I would fix a circulation condition if "you got fatter" and "eat more steak" Not good advice.
I agree with posters who say to speak to a nutritionist. You will lose weight at that deficit. You will survive. You could potentially get closer to your goal weight and come across new issues that are harder to manage because you have not been eating a bigger amount of calories throughout.0 -
The way I see it, everyone is different, so therefore what's good for 1 person may not be good for another. I say if anyone is concerned about their health, then they should go talk to their doctors or whoever.0
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Surviving while slowing down metabolism and eating up muscle mass is one option.
This.
I did this - gained it all back. I think that is why a lot of people do gain back what they lose. Oh and it KILLED my metabolism. People on there have done the same as I did - that's why they are suggesting against it.
No disrespect to medical professionals...but in my personal experience this is exactly what happened to me. I under ate, lost lean body mass and dropped my metabolism resulting in a much lower TDEE, higher body fat percentage and lots of saggy squishy places. Took me 6 weeks to get it sorted out.0 -
My doctor referred me to a Nutrionist when I started getting more specific with my food/calories questions, He said that he knows the general information but not nearly enough to be an expert on it
But yet hes a qualified nutritionist, so he'll know enough about the important aspects of weight loss and nutrition to guide people, whether hes clued up on 'bmr' and 'tdee' numbers is irrelevant, maybe the fact hes hasnt bothered to gain an insight into these so called important numbers tells you its not the be all and end all its made out to be? or the fact hes a qualified nutritionist and didnt at any stage need to know about these things?? again maybe thats the point.
As i said in my opening post, the only place i hear about BMR important are on forums such as this one, ive read hundreds of diet and nutrition websites that never at any point make a big deal out of bmr, it seems to be a forum phenom more than anything.
What did people used to do before days of the internet and online calculators?? its amazing how anyone ever lost weight when you think about it, i wonder if some women in 1955 wondered what her bmr was and how many calories she needed to lose weight? or did she simply listen to her body eat healthier eat less and exercise?0 -
Just a quicky - your meal plan posted earlier - apart from a few salad bits, where are the veggies - you know - the ones with all the nutrients?0
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My TDEE-20% is below my BMR. I usually eat around 1600 a day although my BMR is 1823 and have been steadily losing while getting fit. I think it depends on the individual personally.0
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I think this subject is really overrated unless you are eating 1200 or less calories a day. I eat well below my BMR and have done just fine. I am neither, crabby, moody, low glucose, or feel hungry most of the time either. ^^ Just don't go too low below and it should be fine
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Omg,
If you don't eat your bmr every day you are going to go into starvation mode and your whole body is going to shut down and your metabolism will be gone, just GONE!
You will just gain back all the weight as soon as you eat anything extra.
And your house will blow up, and you will be sad, not to mention a kitten will die somewhere every time you don't meet your macros.....
Just kidding.
I'm pretty sure your body will know it isn't going to die and you won't develop the metabolism of an anorexic teenage girl....but as for the kitten, it may still die if you don't eat your brm every day. You do love kitten's don't you?0 -
i love how everyone is slandering doctors as if they are dumb as bricks. while they may not be as schooled in nutrition as a dietitian...they went to med school, and none of you did! (and that assumption IS correct, cause you wouldn't be dissing them if you was one of them, right?)
p.s. dietitians are what you want. nutritionists aren't standardized. enough said :P
I think it's very important to understand that doctors know little about nutrition and health. Yet, most of them give advice and medications every day to do with both of those things. Many harm people with their bad advice and treatments.
Doctors learn about disease and treatment of symptoms. Their education is very influenced by the pharmaceutical industry. Doctors have their uses, but to go in and accept everything they say and do without question is just plain foolish. Trust them blindly just because they are highly educated on a narrow scope of subjects? Well, you can choose to do that if you like.
Dieticians and nutritionists aren't a whole lot better imo. They are still the product of what they learned in school. The nutritionist in my community pushes a completely unhealthy, culturally inappropriate grain/sugar based diet. But on Friday she was buying hotdogs, Velveeta, and bread for her own supper. But if people eat some natural animal fat from wild animals, as they have for thousands of years, god forbid!
There is nothing wrong with using our own brains to determine if what an "expert" tells us actually makes sense. I know that common sense and critical thinking is getting pretty rare these days.... :sad:
I also think its safe to assume a doctor knows more about weight loss and diet than a random poster on the internet who reads others opinions and taks them as fact.
Obviously, you feel that it's safe to make that assumption. I'd say it's better to assume nothing.
It's not like anyone can make you do anything that you don't want to do, so it seems rather pointless to waste time arguing the issue on the forum. "My doctor says you guys are wrong, so there!"
Great, except i havnt said "my doctors right your all wrong so there", thats a very childish and immature response, and at no stage have i said that, feel free to re read all of my posts and show me to be a liar if you wish.
What i HAVE said is what i was told today, i havnt suggested anyone to do anything, that wasnt the point of the thread and isnt the point now, the point was that what so many consider ever so important on an internet forum maybe isnt the be all and end all its made out to be, and i suspect the doctor i saw today knows a lot more than the majority of forum dwellers, which isnt meant to offend anyone its simple common sense, whether you personally agree is an entirely different matter.0 -
Doctors don't know *kitten* about nutrition.0
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Doctors don't know *kitten* about nutrition.
O.o o.O ooohhhh kaaaayyyy...0 -
Simple answer here for you.
Consult your doctor if you wish....hell, let him/her make your entire diet for you!
Sweet...good luck!
Please do report back in 6 months when you've lost all your weight, haven't binged, have sustained your muscle, and look like an olympic athlete.
Oh and quit making posts for the sole reason to create a heated debate....since that's really what this is about!0 -
From what I can work out, you can get away with eating below BMR if you have a lot of fat to lose - muscle loss is less of a problem then. Generally, when you get closer to goal you should up the calories closer to TDEE (which will, of course be dropping to meet you) to try and minimise loss of lean mass.0
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Just a quicky - your meal plan posted earlier - apart from a few salad bits, where are the veggies - you know - the ones with all the nutrients?
Thats was a brief example of what i had today, not what i have every day, sorry if that was unclear, most days my main meal will consist of some form of cabbage, some carrots, maybe peas, broccoli etc today it didint, am i going to die a horrible death now? should i run down to tesco and binge in the vegetable section??0 -
My TDEE-20% is below my BMR. I usually eat around 1600 a day although my BMR is 1823 and have been steadily losing while getting fit. I think it depends on the individual personally.
Most days im around 400 cals short of my 'bmr' at a guess anyway, my tdee is very sedentary level so eating my bmr would do me very little good weight loss wise hence i like you eat below, feel fine and am losing and losing visble fat to not muscle.0 -
Omg,
If you don't eat your bmr every day you are going to go into starvation mode and your whole body is going to shut down and your metabolism will be gone, just GONE!
You will just gain back all the weight as soon as you eat anything extra.
And your house will blow up, and you will be sad, not to mention a kitten will die somewhere every time you don't meet your macros.....
Just kidding.
I'm pretty sure your body will know it isn't going to die and you won't develop the metabolism of an anorexic teenage girl....but as for the kitten, it may still die if you don't eat your brm every day. You do love kitten's don't you?
So my worst fears are true, im doomed, well that cat sitting under my car can get to **** now then....:)
Course i love kittens, especially the one out of shrek, or do you mean actual real life kittens?
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Simple answer here for you.
Consult your doctor if you wish....hell, let him/her make your entire diet for you!
Sweet...good luck!
Please do report back in 6 months when you've lost all your weight, haven't binged, have sustained your muscle, and look like an olympic athlete.
Oh and quit making posts for the sole reason to create a heated debate....since that's really what this is about!
Why do people get so upset when anyone posts something that goes against the majority? is it not in the rules or something? are we back in Nazi Germany here? i havnt posted anything to provoke 'heated debate', if thats your reaction to it i suggest its more you with the problem than me, i posted something that i thought worthwhile sharing for others out there with the same anxietys as me when reading 'never eat below bmr your going to explode) i havnt said anything is right or wrong, i havnt said you must do this and you must never do that, ironically enough thats exactly what the 'eat bmr' crowd do though, but because its what the majority agree with its fine.0 -
i love how everyone is slandering doctors as if they are dumb as bricks. while they may not be as schooled in nutrition as a dietitian...they went to med school, and none of you did! (and that assumption IS correct, cause you wouldn't be dissing them if you was one of them, right?)
p.s. dietitians are what you want. nutritionists aren't standardized. enough said :P
I think it's very important to understand that doctors know little about nutrition and health. Yet, most of them give advice and medications every day to do with both of those things. Many harm people with their bad advice and treatments.
Doctors learn about disease and treatment of symptoms. Their education is very influenced by the pharmaceutical industry. Doctors have their uses, but to go in and accept everything they say and do without question is just plain foolish. Trust them blindly just because they are highly educated on a narrow scope of subjects? Well, you can choose to do that if you like.
Dieticians and nutritionists aren't a whole lot better imo. They are still the product of what they learned in school. The nutritionist in my community pushes a completely unhealthy, culturally inappropriate grain/sugar based diet. But on Friday she was buying hotdogs, Velveeta, and bread for her own supper. But if people eat some natural animal fat from wild animals, as they have for thousands of years, god forbid!
There is nothing wrong with using our own brains to determine if what an "expert" tells us actually makes sense. I know that common sense and critical thinking is getting pretty rare these days.... :sad:
crikey!!! I MUST remember that doctors know NOTHING of health!! I suppose lawyers know nothing about the law either and midwives know nothing about childbirth.....I suppose shopkeepers know nothing about shop-keeping. Wow, what IS the point of anyone learning anything about the profession the want to do if they obviously learn NOTHING in the process of the learning??
As for the starvation mode thingy, I am very grateful to the opening poster for this feed, I always wonder how people on lighter life actually manage to lose weight the way they do....surely (of anyone) THEY should be in starvation mode!!!0 -
i love how everyone is slandering doctors as if they are dumb as bricks. while they may not be as schooled in nutrition as a dietitian...they went to med school, and none of you did! (and that assumption IS correct, cause you wouldn't be dissing them if you was one of them, right?)
p.s. dietitians are what you want. nutritionists aren't standardized. enough said :P
I think it's very important to understand that doctors know little about nutrition and health. Yet, most of them give advice and medications every day to do with both of those things. Many harm people with their bad advice and treatments.
Doctors learn about disease and treatment of symptoms. Their education is very influenced by the pharmaceutical industry. Doctors have their uses, but to go in and accept everything they say and do without question is just plain foolish. Trust them blindly just because they are highly educated on a narrow scope of subjects? Well, you can choose to do that if you like.
Dieticians and nutritionists aren't a whole lot better imo. They are still the product of what they learned in school. The nutritionist in my community pushes a completely unhealthy, culturally inappropriate grain/sugar based diet. But on Friday she was buying hotdogs, Velveeta, and bread for her own supper. But if people eat some natural animal fat from wild animals, as they have for thousands of years, god forbid!
There is nothing wrong with using our own brains to determine if what an "expert" tells us actually makes sense. I know that common sense and critical thinking is getting pretty rare these days.... :sad:
crikey!!! I MUST remember that doctors know NOTHING of health!! I suppose lawyers know nothing about the law either and midwives know nothing about childbirth.....I suppose shopkeepers know nothing about shop-keeping. Wow, what IS the point of anyone learning anything about the profession the want to do if they obviously learn NOTHING in the process of the learning??
As for the starvation mode thingy, I am very grateful to the opening poster for this feed, I always wonder how people on lighter life actually manage to lose weight the way they do....surely (of anyone) THEY should be in starvation mode!!!
It does make you wonder how they get through all these qualifications dosnt it? seeing as they know nothing about anything these days, sounds like im missing out on a cracking salary, i know very little about general health or medicine never mind weight loss and diet, sounds like im well qualified!
As for the starvation mode, i genuinely dont understand the logic to it at all, i would if it were some teenage girl starving herself literally every day to get thin, of course thats starvation mode shes starving hungry! how though that relates to people who are eating the best part of 2000 calories and at no point feel hungry ill never know, going by the bmr logic i myself am in starvation mode....... unfortunately someone forgot to tell my body that 0 -
eating below bmr does not cause health problems. I dont know where people picked up this garbage of not eating below BMR
The intensity of the deficit is based upon the fuel availability in the body.
Ex. the fatter you are the more of a deficit your body can handle physically(not mentally) before you start eating away at alot of muscle)0 -
Simple answer here for you.
Consult your doctor if you wish....hell, let him/her make your entire diet for you!
Sweet...good luck!
Please do report back in 6 months when you've lost all your weight, haven't binged, have sustained your muscle, and look like an olympic athlete.
Oh and quit making posts for the sole reason to create a heated debate....since that's really what this is about!
Why do people get so upset when anyone posts something that goes against the majority? is it not in the rules or something? are we back in Nazi Germany here? i havnt posted anything to provoke 'heated debate', if thats your reaction to it i suggest its more you with the problem than me, i posted something that i thought worthwhile sharing for others out there with the same anxietys as me when reading 'never eat below bmr your going to explode) i havnt said anything is right or wrong, i havnt said you must do this and you must never do that, ironically enough thats exactly what the 'eat bmr' crowd do though, but because its what the majority agree with its fine.
I'm not upset, I can just recognize when a post is genuinely trying to incite argument, with alot of anecdotal statements and claims that something is right or wrong.....
The truth is you don't know. The truth is people react differently...that has nothing to do with your opening post. You went to alot of trouble writing a wall of text about things that don't matter...
Your message is "Eat below your BMR...it rocks" And while you may be ok with it, that is not a message I would personally advertise. You wanna do it...Cool, rock on!0 -
Just a quicky - your meal plan posted earlier - apart from a few salad bits, where are the veggies - you know - the ones with all the nutrients?
Thats was a brief example of what i had today, not what i have every day, sorry if that was unclear, most days my main meal will consist of some form of cabbage, some carrots, maybe peas, broccoli etc today it didint, am i going to die a horrible death now? should i run down to tesco and binge in the vegetable section??
Don't play dumb - it was just a question. You said it was a typical day so I asked.0 -
Dude. I am 16 inches shorter than you are, nearly 100 lbs lighter, 5 years older, and I'm a chick. And I eat as much as you do. And I'm losing weight. Eat more.
P.S. Some doctors are idiots.
This.
I am 6'4 as well, 233 pounds, 19 years old, I am droping ~1 pound per week at 4100 calories a day. I don't see how you could possibly be satisfied eating that little calories in a 24 hour period0 -
Duration is important. The starvation diet, you know the Minnesota one you've obviously read considering you've read hundreds of studies regarding this query where they were pretty much reduced to babbling idiots with severe emotional distress and depression after 24 weeks, and one cut off 3 fingers, their sex drive went in the toilet, their BMR was reduced drastically, some had exhibited edema in their extremities and these were smaller guys than you consuming 1560 calories, eventually they would have died of starvation. Maybe mention that to your Dr. for future reference.0
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Simple answer here for you.
Consult your doctor if you wish....hell, let him/her make your entire diet for you!
Sweet...good luck!
Please do report back in 6 months when you've lost all your weight, haven't binged, have sustained your muscle, and look like an olympic athlete.
Oh and quit making posts for the sole reason to create a heated debate....since that's really what this is about!
Why do people get so upset when anyone posts something that goes against the majority? is it not in the rules or something? are we back in Nazi Germany here? i havnt posted anything to provoke 'heated debate', if thats your reaction to it i suggest its more you with the problem than me, i posted something that i thought worthwhile sharing for others out there with the same anxietys as me when reading 'never eat below bmr your going to explode) i havnt said anything is right or wrong, i havnt said you must do this and you must never do that, ironically enough thats exactly what the 'eat bmr' crowd do though, but because its what the majority agree with its fine.
First, the title "Doctor says eating below BMR is fine" In the first line or two you said you knew this was a sensitive topic. Yet you posted it anyway. Why? Because you wanted attention? Because you wanted to show us "eat more" people we are wrong? Nazi Germany? Please, please ,please cite for me ONE thread that uses the hyperbole "never eat below bmr your going to explode" No, what you will find is people who use common sense and SCIENCE to show that it isn't healthy to eat below BMR. And I couldn't care less what you do or do not eat, you can go on a water diet and I wont say a word, until, you get on here trying to convince others that your misguided opinion is, in fact, correct. At that point I am going to call you out because you are spreading unhealthy crap to people who may be vulnerable enough to believe it. Im done here, but keep on telling it cause its a cool story Bro.0 -
Dude. I am 16 inches shorter than you are, nearly 100 lbs lighter, 5 years older, and I'm a chick. And I eat as much as you do. And I'm losing weight. Eat more.
P.S. Some doctors are idiots.
And much easier on the eyes.0 -
crikey!!! I MUST remember that doctors know NOTHING of health!! I suppose lawyers know nothing about the law either and midwives know nothing about childbirth.....I suppose shopkeepers know nothing about shop-keeping. Wow, what IS the point of anyone learning anything about the profession the want to do if they obviously learn NOTHING in the process of the learning??
As for the starvation mode thingy, I am very grateful to the opening poster for this feed, I always wonder how people on lighter life actually manage to lose weight the way they do....surely (of anyone) THEY should be in starvation mode!!!
All doctors don't know everything about the body, just like all lawyers don't know everything about the law or all shopkeepers know everything about shopkeeping. If you want a divorce, you go to a family law lawyer, not a corporate lawyer. If you want to know about running a bar, you don't go to a shoe store shopkeeper. If you want to know about nutrition, don't expect your GP to tell you anything groundbreaking.
My boyfriend is in medical school. They get approximately a week of lectures on nutrition. These classes are taught by licensed dietitians, not doctors. A good doctor will refer you to someone who actually did study nutrition in depth: a licensed dietitian.0 -
eating below bmr does not cause health problems. I dont know where people picked up this garbage of not eating below BMR
The intensity of the deficit is based upon the fuel availability in the body.
Ex. the fatter you are the more of a deficit your body can handle physically(not mentally) before you start eating away at alot of muscle)
Im guessing it stemmed from one persons theory and escalated from there? who knows, a lot of people have no idea what bmr actually is and lose weight fine simply eating less and eating healthier i go back to what i said earlier how did people in the 1950s lose weight without all these online calculators? god knows, but yeah thats basically what i was told today.
Dont understand why people who dont agree get so upset and irritated about it though.0
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