Interesting study about calories burned - whole/processed

Ed98043

http://www.foodandnutritionresearch.net/index.php/fnr/article/viewArticle/5144/5755

Put simply, this study found that people burned the calories of processed foods at nearly half the rate that they burned the calories of whole foods. Both groups reported feeling just as full because they all ate cheese sandwiches - one group ate white bread with processed cheese product, the other ate multi-grain bread with cheddar.

I admit it's a limited study, but still could have major implications regarding weight loss. So maybe not all calories are created equal after all?

Vailara

I'm surprised that there was no difference in satiety.

Why is the rate of burning the calories important?

etoiles_argentees

saving for later.

LolBroScience

These studies are always conducted on non-exercising populations.

etoiles_argentees

These studies are always conducted on non-exercising populations.

Right? They are always on menopausal woman or obese people. We need studies on healthy women more than men though, at my university they were always on young males that barely exercised.

goodtimezzzz

who ever said calories were created equal???:)

goodtimezzzz

nutrients is what counts calories can be just fillers..your Health wants Nutrients!

ILiftHeavyAcrylics

Isn't multigrain bread still considered processed?

whitecapwendy

plan to follow this

meeper123

bump to read later

rori_74

bump

DatMurse

These studies are always conducted on non-exercising populations.

that has nothing to do with satiey coverage.

but for the study OP posted. it isnt very direct with the type of macronutrient consumption.
even full isocaloric states are not fully isocaloric due to TEF(protein and fiber mainly)

I am very pro IIFYM(and micronutrients) but we all know you cannot live by drinking whey, eating corn starch, and oil and a multi...

in 1992 there was a study called the satiety index of common foods. They evaluated what foods would provide longer satisfaction to go without eating. The higher fiber, water content, and less processed the food was, the higher the rating.

I love my sweets, processed foods, but I balance it out with non processed on a cut.
Casein, meat, fruits with skin(apple, kiwi, grapes), oranges, eggs, cheese, potatos are very satisfying foods.

This may be why the "old world bodybuilding" foods were very useful to consume. There was truth behind it but the bodybuilders of that time didnt know why.

bornleader79

BS......I exercise every day....I eat what i want just small portions. I lose weight everyday. I can make a cheeseburger w/a english muffin for lunch and have a chicken biscuit for breakfast....wake up in the morning ..weigh myself and lose a pound. Yet...yesterday I had tilapia with mrs dash and a small green salad. ...fruit for breakfast (2cups) and exercised like i do everyday and did not lose anything when I woke up this morning. So I don't believe in the food politics crap at all. I eat what i want ,,,,, within my calories. If its a slice pizza or protein shake...as long as I'm in a caloric deficit! Thats all that matters

etoiles_argentees

nutrients is what counts calories can be just fillers..your Health wants Nutrients!

I'm totally with you, that's ALL I even look at, I don't use supplements. Which is why I often use nutritiondata instead of mfp to list food, they don't have a phone app yet though.

bornleader79

Oh definitely doing Intermittent fasting helps a lot!!! I love it!

DatMurse

BS......I exercise every day....I eat what i want just small portions. I lose weight everyday. I can make a cheeseburger w/a english muffin for lunch and have a chicken biscuit for breakfast....wake up in the morning ..weigh myself and lose a pound. Yet...yesterday I had tilapia with mrs dash and a small green salad. ...fruit for breakfast (2cups) and exercised like i do everyday and did not lose anything when I woke up this morning. So I don't believe in the food politics crap at all. I eat what i want ,,,,, within my calories. If its a slice pizza or protein shake...as long as I'm in a caloric deficit! Thats all that matters

But I think the point was "eating blindly"
Before the average person understood calories we werent overweight. They would follow off of satiety.

0OneTwo3

So maybe not all calories are created equal after all?

This again? Calorie is an energie measurement. The Studie is about the human body dealing with different foods.

Which cheese you prefer will not change the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of one gram of water by one degree Celsius.

So a calorie will always stay a calorie.

Lleldiranne

Not bad as a preliminary study. But it was a VERY small sample size (n=18, and then 1 was eliminated). There was a "statistically significant" difference, but it still wasn't a huge difference, and it only lasted 4-6 hours (it would be nice to see, in a future study, how much WF vs PF affects this length of increase in metabolic rate). And a bit of math shows that, for someone with an 1800 cal BMR it really consist of a difference of 120-180 kcal difference (depending if 4 or 6 hours). So if you're really close to maintenance cal, it could be a deal breaker, but not so much if you're eating at 500+ deficit or exercising. On the other hand, if all you eat is processed foods, compound that by each meal, and it could become a bit problematic.

The article itself states that, because of the limited scope of the study, it is not generalizable to all foods, processed or whole, at this point. It also clearly states a possible conflict of interest due to funding sources.

ETA: there was also a small difference in composition of food (carb/fat/protein). They claimed it was "similar" but I wonder how much that affects the results (40% carbs vs 50% carbs, and such)

zyxst

Isn't multigrain bread still considered processed?

Shhh, don't destroy them with your logic.

TheRealParisLove

So maybe not all calories are created equal after all?

This again? Calorie is an energie measurement. The Studie is about the human body dealing with different foods.

Which ceese you prefer will not change the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of one gram of water by one degree Celsius.

So a calorie will always stay a calorie.

Some foods have a higher energy rating (glycemic index) that others. Also, that amount of calories one actually uses from any given food substance has to be considered by what the person's microbacteria profile looks like. Gut flora is being researched as having quite a large role in whether a person becomes obese. Michael Phelps consumed 12k+ calories a day while training. At his height and weight there is no way he could have just "burned" that number of calories.

With the calories in/ calories out model, he should be freaking obese. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2177613/Michael-Phelps-12-000-calories-day-dont-doing-harm.html

ILiftHeavyAcrylics

Isn't multigrain bread still considered processed?

Shhh, don't destroy them with your logic.

No logic here, this is MFP

DatMurse

So maybe not all calories are created equal after all?

This again? Calorie is an energie measurement. The Studie is about the human body dealing with different foods.

Which ceese you prefer will not change the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of one gram of water by one degree Celsius.

So a calorie will always stay a calorie.

Some foods have a higher energy rating (glycemic index) that others. Also, that amount of calories one actually uses from any given food substance has to be considered by what the person's microbacteria profile looks like. Gut flora is being researched as having quite a large role in whether a person becomes obese. Michael Phelps consumed 12k+ calories a day while training. At his height and weight there is no way he could have just "burned" that number of calories.

With the calories in/ calories out model, he should be freaking obese. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2177613/Michael-Phelps-12-000-calories-day-dont-doing-harm.html

Or its cause he moves so much via exercise or his calories are being miscounted.

Glycemic index is not energy rating. That was meant to rate food for diabetic people.

Gut flora is not a factor...
Please understand the basics of nutrition before coming to conclusions of your own.

0OneTwo3

So maybe not all calories are created equal after all?

This again? Calorie is an energie measurement. The Studie is about the human body dealing with different foods.

Which ceese you prefer will not change the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of one gram of water by one degree Celsius.

So a calorie will always stay a calorie.

Some foods have a higher energy rating (glycemic index) that others. Also, that amount of calories one actually uses from any given food substance has to be considered by what the person's microbacteria profile looks like. Gut flora is being researched as having quite a large role in whether a person becomes obese. Michael Phelps consumed 12k+ calories a day while training. At his height and weight there is no way he could have just "burned" that number of calories.

With the calories in/ calories out model, he should be freaking obese. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2177613/Michael-Phelps-12-000-calories-day-dont-doing-harm.html

All of this is great and true. (Well the GI may or may not be. last i checked there was tons of evidence against it. idk. but this is still not the point.)


The point is: when you are talking about Calories you are not talking about food but food-energy. 1cal of the one food might end up somewhere else than 1cal of food b. that doesn't change the amount of energy but may change how it is used.

i hope this is clear now. i feel like i'm explaining this all day...

it's more about using the therm right really. so we know what we are talking about.

edit. this has not much to do with the studie though. just with OP statement above.

DatMurse

So maybe not all calories are created equal after all?

This again? Calorie is an energie measurement. The Studie is about the human body dealing with different foods.

Which ceese you prefer will not change the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of one gram of water by one degree Celsius.

So a calorie will always stay a calorie.

Some foods have a higher energy rating (glycemic index) that others. Also, that amount of calories one actually uses from any given food substance has to be considered by what the person's microbacteria profile looks like. Gut flora is being researched as having quite a large role in whether a person becomes obese. Michael Phelps consumed 12k+ calories a day while training. At his height and weight there is no way he could have just "burned" that number of calories.

With the calories in/ calories out model, he should be freaking obese. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2177613/Michael-Phelps-12-000-calories-day-dont-doing-harm.html

All of this is great and true. (Well the GI may or may not be. last i checked there was tons of evidence against it. idk. but this is still not the point.)


The point is: when you are talking about Calories you are not talking about food but food-energy. 1cal of the one food might end up somewhere else than 1cal of food b. that doesn't change the amount of energy but may change how it is used.

i hope this is clear now. i feel like i'm explaining this all day...

it's more about using the therm right really. so we know what we are talking about.

edit. this has not much to do with the studie though. just with OP statement above.

none of it is true. talking about gut flora, defying laws of thermodynamics, and using glycemic index as a factor for weight loss.

They dont evven use GI anymore.. they use GL

0OneTwo3

So maybe not all calories are created equal after all?

This again? Calorie is an energie measurement. The Studie is about the human body dealing with different foods.

Which ceese you prefer will not change the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of one gram of water by one degree Celsius.

So a calorie will always stay a calorie.

Some foods have a higher energy rating (glycemic index) that others. Also, that amount of calories one actually uses from any given food substance has to be considered by what the person's microbacteria profile looks like. Gut flora is being researched as having quite a large role in whether a person becomes obese. Michael Phelps consumed 12k+ calories a day while training. At his height and weight there is no way he could have just "burned" that number of calories.

With the calories in/ calories out model, he should be freaking obese. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2177613/Michael-Phelps-12-000-calories-day-dont-doing-harm.html

Or its cause he moves so much via exercise or his calories are being miscounted.

Glycemic index is not energy rating. That was meant to rate food for diabetic people.

Gut flora is not a factor...
Please understand the basics of nutrition before coming to conclusions of your own.

On the topic of Phelps: he eats that for limited amounts of time, trains a lot, to put it mildly and is on massive amounts of steriods.

but that energie goes somewhere. it always does. he does not have a black hole in his stomach that absorbs all the pizza.

edit: yes linking GI to energy is def. wrong. I know nothing about bacteria though. i'm just trying preserve some respekt for physics around here.

DavPul

Wait, so you're telling me I'll feel full longer if I eat chicken breast and broccoli instead of eating cake? What??? STOP THE PRESSES!!!

etoiles_argentees

So maybe not all calories are created equal after all?

This again? Calorie is an energie measurement. The Studie is about the human body dealing with different foods.

Which cheese you prefer will not change the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of one gram of water by one degree Celsius.

So a calorie will always stay a calorie.

yes it will. Have fun, I'm not interested in explaining how the body processes food any more, read a textbook. The study is crap and I'm too tired to explain it to you. This site, smh.

cmriverside

So maybe not all calories are created equal after all?

This again? Calorie is an energie measurement. The Studie is about the human body dealing with different foods.

Which cheese you prefer will not change the amount of energy needed to raise the temperature of one gram of water by one degree Celsius.

So a calorie will always stay a calorie.

yes it will. Have fun, I'm not interested in explaining how the body processes food any more, read a textbook. The study is crap and I'm too tired to explain it to you. This site, smh.

It would be fine with us if you decided to go elsewhere to express your angst. JS.

Mother_Superior

Excellent resource that explains what happens when you eat, and also how to properly struicture your calorie/macro goals. http://body-improvements.com/resources/eat/