Horizon Eat, fast and live longer
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I did not see this program but am fasting today as well. It's my first time doing this and I am feeling ok so far, but it's not even 10A. The articles I read called for liquids only, up to 500 calories, and so far I have had probably only 100 calories.
The only noticeable thing so far is that I am shivering from drinking so much ice water. Thinking about having some warm broth for lunch.
I am encouraged by reading that some of you have done it and felt ok. Probably my biggest challenge will be cooking for the kids tonight and not eating dinner with them. Planning to have some tea and still sit with them if I can manage it.0 -
The 5:2 ratio of eating normally for 5 days and fasting for 2 i.e. 600 calories for men and 400/500 calories for females does not mean that you fast for 19 hours and eat in a 5 hour window it just means that you eat the 600 or 400/500 calories throughout the day. it does not matter when you eat consume the calories as long as you only consume the correct amount of calories.0
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Watched the program with much interest and after discussing with my husband we have decided to fast Monday and Tuesday together. Looking forward to it to be honest and yes from what I interpreted you also have to lower the amount of protein you eat in general but correct me if I'm wrong! Will log back here in a week to see if there are any noticeable affects! Hope some of you will do the same! Our own experiment ;0) good luck0
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I started this on Monday after reading the articles and watching the programme, i had a very light soup at lunch and low calorie meal in the evening , i actually ddint find it that hard and my second fasting day was even easier , I also found am less hungry on feasting days,and after a sneaky wiegh in , had lost 5lbs after 4 days on diet . I am varying my fasting days according to my social life /work schedule , and am aiming for at least 3 a week. Found this article which gives a good calculator and advice http://www.johnsonupdaydowndaydiet.com/html/diet-science.html. Am sticking with this for at least 5 weeks , (till a very big holiday) and then will reassess.0
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Saw the program and really want to give the 5:2 a go. Will start once back from holiday on Wednesday.0
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I watched that too and it made a lot of sense! Also being told how much to drink when no other creature is told that!0
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Some very valuable points here.I'm afraid you may be getting confused with the earlier part of the programme which looked at alternate day day fasting ( the part where Mosely fasted and then was eating burgers at the drive in) Molsley then said he was going to try a pattern of 5 days eating and 2 days fasting which is what he then focused on. What he did was restrict himself to 600 cals on his two fasting days and then eat a balnced healthy diet for five days. Check it out on BBC I Player. He did make the point that fasting should only be undertaken with medical agree. Conditions like Diabetes would obviously restrict the application of the programme. The MFP programme focusing on lowering your carbs to say about 45 per main meal with say 15 carbs for snacks would give a slower but controlled weight loss if done honestly which means writing down EVERYTHING you eat and then logging it. The programme was interesting but the difference is that MFP is a change of lifestyle while dieting is only effective as long as it is maintained. This is why people often regain weight once they flag with their diet.0 -
Are you sure that on fasting day you eat throughout the day. Sure he just had breakfast and no food until breakfast next day.
Edit- ok he did have 2 meals on fast day - breakfast and dinner. I suppose you could just have 1 meal.
The calories for fast day is 25% of your maintenance calories.0 -
I watched this, thinking it would be a load of cobblers to be honest. But I must admit, it's got me interested - the health benefits looked amazing. New brain cells, yes please! Could do with a few more of those
Calorie wise, it seems to make sense too. Today, not on diet at all, I've eaten about 2100 calories sat at home, "naturally grazing'. If I did that for 5 days, and then had 2 days at 500, that would be a total of 11500 calories.
If I was eating my diet calories I'd be on 1660 a day, so 11620 a week. So numbers wise it makes sense to me.
For me personally, being restricted to 1600 calories takes as much thought/planning as being on 500. Planning and then sticking to that plan is what I struggle with - it seems to make me obsessed and then fake hungry! I can deal with 2 days of restriction though for sure.
So I'm going to give this a whizz, feeling positive!
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My husband and I watched this and we are both going to give it a go. We both need to lose weight but both love good food and cooking. The idea that 2 fasting days a week give us more freedom with food on the other days sounds attractive. And the health benefits seem to be amazing. We are planning to do ur fast days on a Tuesday and Thursday which are both days when we work so we will be kept busy most of the day, and it leaves weekends when we socialise not to have to worry too much. Nothing to lose but those pounds !0
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bump dh watched this and did 600 cals for two days. He doesn't mfp, but has been doing c25k. Will be interesting to see how you all get on. dh lost 6lbs over the 2 days but put 3 back on the next day...0
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I found this which might be helpful:
"Finally, Dr. Mosley turns to what he calls the “5/2″ diet, basically Eat Stop Eat. He eats for 5 days per week, and fasts for two, he still eats a small breakfast (600 calories) on his fast day, then fasts until breakfast the next day.
His fasts were ‘scattered’ which is exactly what we recommend with Eat Stop Eat."
So it's one meal and the fast days are separate and not consecutive.
Trying this now
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Have tried this for a week and have lost 5lbs , am allowing myself two meals on my fasting days , approx max 549 calories and sticking to around maintenance rest of week , dont think meals have to be set in stone , just the number of calories , my deficit for the week was 3900 calories , slightly less than the normal mfp way but much easier to manage AND with a much better result. Think may be each to their own with this "diet" but am hoping the health benefits will give this way the edge.I found this which might be helpful:
"Finally, Dr. Mosley turns to what he calls the “5/2″ diet, basically Eat Stop Eat. He eats for 5 days per week, and fasts for two, he still eats a small breakfast (600 calories) on his fast day, then fasts until breakfast the next day.
His fasts were ‘scattered’ which is exactly what we recommend with Eat Stop Eat."
So it's one meal and the fast days are separate and not consecutive.
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Hi I saw this as well and did a bit of research into CRON. I've heard of it before and considered it a few years ago, but wasn't sure. I bought a couple of books on it too, so I'm going to read through those and maybe give it a try.
I never do anything without reading about it first, such a geek XD lol x0 -
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So ready to give this a shot and see how it works!
I'm maybe going to place a bet at the bookies. Is it possible to eat normally 5 days a week and lose 4 stone?
Hmmmmm.....
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I fasted Wed and Fri last week and today is my third fasting day.
By far, today is the easiest yet.
Like others have noted, my appetite is noticeably reduced and am able to still stick with my 1400ish budget on "eating" days.
I am also finally able to discern between what is a craving, what is boredom, what is habitual eating, and what is real hunger. I notice that on most fasting days, I don't feel true hunger pangs until around 4P, 10 hours after waking up.
I'm having 1 scoop protein powder with water in the morning (120 cal), 1 V8 Fusion for AM snack (100 cal), warm chicken broth at lunch (50ish cal), a low sodium V8 for afternoon snack (60 cal), and another protein drink at night (120 cal).
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Also watched the program with interest.
I talked to my wife about it and was suprised to find she wanted to join me.
We are doing it so the fasting days are just one main meal so we can still have a family meal with the kids. We are also spreading the days over the week.
Other than that we are eating pritty normally.
We are on our second fast day now. It is hard with the kids grazing and food been so available but to be honest it seems like something that is easier to stick to than feeling deprived every day.
Apart from feeling tired in the afternoon no ill affects to report at the moment.
The wife struggled a little in the evening when she normally grazes but got over this by been more active.
5* recommended at the moment - It's such a simple plan.0 -
Keep with it- have found the fasting days progressively easier, weighed in today after 8 days and have lost 7lbs, is so much easier knowing can have that piece of cheese or glass of wine tomorrow! Even finding appetite less on "normal" eating days , tho keeping those to maintenance calories in the main.0
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Hello,
Alizon15 7 lbs in 8 days is great, well done!
I'm doing my very first 'fast' or low calories day today! I stopped eating last night at 7.30pm.
I'm planning on eating 500 calories. I've had a glass of milk for breakfast, a 240 calorie salmon and potato salad for lunch (thanks marks and spencers!) and dinner will be shredded crab salad and a cup of tea. Been drinking Green tea also.
Got 4 almonds in my pocket for emergency snacking! Haha. If i don't eat them whilst at work I'll put them on my crab salad.
I have to say, that I feel ok. No headaches or anything. I went for a walk to buy lunch and felt a little weak, but its quite warm and the shopping centre was busy.
I felt much more awake this morning as well on the way to work, which i wasn't expecting at all.
My tummy is more 'gurgly' - not making noise, but can feel it churning. I've just eaten though so guessing thats just my body catching up with processing things?!
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Hello everyone
I also watched the programme but didn't see any commentary on Googlefor a few day. Glad you guys are doing it, as this is my second day.
Yesterday I had:
coffee with light soya milk
two teas with skimmed milk
miso soup
two slices of best of both medium hovis bread and two slices of honey roast ham.
1tsp of flora light and some rocket leaves
two shots of Bombay gin and four slimline tonics
Today I have had:
coffee and soya milk again
tea with skimmed milk
mellow white miso soup
I may have a peach in the afternoon and a Greek salad for dinner.
I find it tough in the afternoons. Breakfast and lunch are ok. I am going for a walk now to get more water and some peaches.
The only issue is that I cycle most days during the week - which burns about 300 calories per day.
Anyway, glad other people are trying this diet out. My husband will also be joining me when he is back at work.
Well done Alizon. I am also looking forward to losing weight!0 -
On a fasting day today and my stomach is rumbling!
Stick with it - it does get easier although I find I fantasise about what I can eat the next day. I also feel much more alert but agree that its easier to eat less when you keep busy ! good luck anyway the weight loss and health benefits are worth 2 days of hunger pains. :0)0 -
I'm on my first ever attempt at a fast - and as I have up to 500 calories to eat today, it's not really a fast at all! So far so good - I've had loads more water to drink than usual. Let's keep at it!
PS - You do know that you don't have to fast 2 days in a row? I decided to try out Tuesday & Friday as I don't HAVE to be active on those days this week.0 -
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Just completed week 1 and I have lost 3lbs.0
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I checked this out because I have started this diet. It 600 cals at once - not sprerad throughout the day. The point is to 'starve' the body so it trips the SIRT1 into action. I have been having two porridge oat bars at 13:00 and a hot oxo drink (15 cals) at night. On my 'eat' days I am being good - not hungry so much anyway, so find my body is coping well. I have been doing it for two weeks now and have lost 5 kilos (11 pounds). I dont feel dizzy, I do feel a little less energy on the 'fast day' but nothing to write home about. When the hunger comes its true that it doesnt last - its just a craving for a while. I am drinking gallons of cold water and green tea on the 'fast days'. This is working for me - one thing I especially like is that on my 'fast day' I can get through by saying 'we eat tomorrow !' - and it works. Oh another thing - I am enjoyng my food more, it tastes great. Like the man in the programme said he dreamt about making sandiwiches - so have I ! I advide everyone to try it - just for a three day spell. I do alternate day - day eating day fasting etc. Good luck, Hodgie x0
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This does sounds interesting. I have been trying to find the program on iplayer to watch but it seems to have disappered.
I have been fasting for the last month ( religious fast) where you eat before dawn and after dusk. Iv been averaging 12-1300 cals a day and also been trying to get some strength and cardio as well and have lost about 3.5/4kg in 27days
Our religion also stupulates an optional 2 day fast per week throughout the year which iv not ever done, but seeing the health benefits that are being talked about here i may give it ago now.0 -
I'm going to add my interpretation here too since there seems to be a lot of conflicting messages in this thread. I've watched the programme a few times to make sure I'm getting everything straight.
Now, what was being suggested in the trials was an alternate day fasting - First Day, eat pretty much whatever you want, second day, fast (400/500 calories for women, 600 for men), third day eat normal, fourth day fast and so on.
What Michael Mosely then looked at was the 5:2 diet - 5 days of normal eating and 2 days of fasting.
This is where the program (I feel) starts to confuse a little.
What the 5:2 trial is suggesting, is to eat normally for 5 consecutive days, then fast for 2 consecutive days eating your low calories all in one meal.
What Michael Mosely tried, was to modify this slightly so that he fasted on non-consecutive days, and ate either one or two meals on his fasting days.
However, from what I gather, to reap the health benefits of getting the body to start repairing, is to do the two days consecutively and eat just one meal at lunchtime on each of those two days.
I guess it depends on what you're aiming to achieve - weight loss, or the health benefits. For me, having lost the weight, I don't really need to lose any more, but I AM interested in the long term health benefits, so I'm going to try the two consecutive days of fasting, on work days so that I am kept occupied.0 -
I'm planning on eating 500 calories. I've had a glass of milk for breakfast, a 240 calorie salmon and potato salad for lunch (thanks marks and spencers!) and dinner will be shredded crab salad and a cup of tea. Been drinking Green tea also.
Haven't tried milk yet, sounds good I guess...
Just wanted to mention...I think you might want to cut down on protein there since, if I understood correctly, that was the point of the fast, to reduce IGH-1 hormone production by reducing protein intake. Other potential benefits as demonstrated on mice with Alzheimers might be growing new brain cells - so I guess that's what not eating the rest of the stuff is for? Come to think of it, why exactly are we not eating carbs and other nice things if cutting protein was the main idea behind all the body-repair-mode and life longevity?
Anyway, if the protein theory is correct, you have quite a bit of protein on your menu: milk, salmon, potato and crab! The fish has a ton of protein, so I wonder if you're over your regular-eating-day limit there, let alone a fast day.
I did 2 days this week, so I got smart on my second day and veg-ed up. Them Bloodymary Tesco Finest soups come in pretty big tubs of 200 KCal - that's lunch. Feeling a little tired comes and goes like a wave, a bit like the appetite waves, but other times I find myself extra-energetic, almost buzzing, and I wonder whether at that point my body tapped into the fat reserves? Waddayanow.
Black coffee with no sugar is an acquired taste, but half a cup definitely works on weak body with an empty stomach, it's almost a purist thing.
One other trick is Berocca (5 Kcal), in effervescent form. That will keep you going during an afternoon slump.
Cod liver oil has 0 Kcal.
Too much green tea will keep you up all night. I had the worst nights of sleep these last couple of days.
Also, sudden high intake of fiber (all the veggies) had an effect on my digestion big style, BM etc.. if you know what I mean, so seriously, plenty of water or you will be constipated.
Sugar snap peas are sweet, tasty, surprisingly low calories and are awesome, grazing on raw cabbage isn't too bad either, baby corns, carrots, raddish and CUCUMBERS!
I have a few questions on this 5:2 diet, but maybe they'll get answered in a few weeks when we do the measuring =]0
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