All calories are not created equally!

Do you find that you lose weight more easily when you eat a certain type of food even if you keep the calorie count exactly the same? I'd be really interested to hear your response.
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  • babenes
    babenes Posts: 34 Member
    Whole Foods usually help me loose weight quicker and fill me up more. Then food that are high in fat and are higher in calories. Most of my food i try to get from protien and complex carbs.
  • bathsheba_c
    bathsheba_c Posts: 1,873 Member
    Some people are sensitive to carbs and can't lose weight without cutting them out (diabetics, PCOS, hypothyroid, etc.). Filling up on fiber and protein can be helpful for feeling full at lower calorie counts.

    Other than that, nope.
  • marycmeadows
    marycmeadows Posts: 1,691 Member
    whole fresh foods - lower sodium - high protein, high fiber.
  • Yep. White carbs make my bum huge.
    So I try to get as much protein as I can and my carbs from complex sources such as whole grain breads and vegetables.
    I also know when I eat too much salt I get bad migraines and the weight stays on.
  • stefjc
    stefjc Posts: 484 Member
    Yes, because the physiological food fuel nimbers are different from the physical ones! Long argument based on the efficiency with which the body can extract kcals from different food stuffs.

    Some carbs are very easy for the body to extract kcals from some proteins very hard, so more energy is wasted in processing some foods, lost through heat. It's the phsyiological effect of the Thermal Effect of Feeding - you really want to be inefficient and waste some of those kcals through heat!
  • Marmitegeoff
    Marmitegeoff Posts: 373 Member
    This all goes back to the GI system where some foods release their calories quickly and others do not.
  • Thank you, that's very helpful. That's exactly what I was thinking too. I've found a diet which really agrees with me and the weight falls off me faster than with any other diet. I go over my calories and still lose weight. People are telling me I'm crazy and that I'll gain weight eating the way I do but I've already lost 56 pounds and it's still going down so it must suit me just fine I think.
    Glad it's not just me then!
  • Rocbola
    Rocbola Posts: 1,998 Member
    Fruits and vegetables make me lose weight and feel better than any other category of food.
  • Fruits and vegetables make me lose weight and feel better than any other category of food.

    Yes I eat mostly fruit and veg at the moment and feel amazing, although people tell me I'll put weight on eating 8 bananas a day, but the weight is still coming off so I'm going to keep doing what is working for me.
  • tjradd73
    tjradd73 Posts: 3,495 Member
    Fruits and vegetables make me lose weight and feel better than any other category of food.

    Yes I eat mostly fruit and veg at the moment and feel amazing, although people tell me I'll put weight on eating 8 bananas a day, but the weight is still coming off so I'm going to keep doing what is working for me.


    a calorie is a calorie...but be careful!! eating a high quanity of high potassium foods (such as a banana), daily, MAY be harmful to you in other ways! Be sure to have your electrolytes checked at the Doctor's office, to see if you have a sensitivity to Potassium....that would be good to know if you truly do eat 8 bananas every day!:smile:
  • tjradd73
    tjradd73 Posts: 3,495 Member
    otherwise...IMO...a cal is a cal...you may feel more energy from certain foods, and you may feel fuller from certain foods, but regardless if you drink 1200cals worth of mountain dew, or eat 1200cals of celery...your body should be able to burn them the same. (you just may run out of energy a bit quicker from the dew).
  • Had a nutritionist at my derby training tonight.
    He gave us the scientific reason WHY a cal is not a cal.
    Although at the end of the day you may get the same amount of energy from it, the way the body processes it is different.

    For a general rule proteins and complex carbs take 3-4 hours to break down and if not used will turn to fat. High GI things like sugary fruits, soft drink, sports drinks ect take 1-2 hours. Saturated fats take longest while unsaturated are easier to break down.
    So anything you are planning to 'burn off' needs to be taken into consideration when you eat it and when you plan to burn it off. So a donut before bed will end up in your butt while one for lunch and a gym session after work will burn it. Or fruit for breakfast will end up stored as fat if you don't work out until the night time if it isn't used up.

    High protein diets or low/no carb diets will burn fat quickly but you will generally hit a plateau at some point and wont be able to move it. Your body NEEDS 40-50% of carbs to function normally and your metabolism will be better if you are eating them evenly through the day. Your blood sugar is directly effected by carbs so if you try and keep it stable or work out when it would be at it's peak (1-2 hours after high GI and 3-4 after low GI) and have 30-50gm or carbs and 15gm of protein after your body will be a machine that works at it's complete peak all day. It might not shift weight quickly but it's easier to maintain as a lifestyle choice and you'll just function better.

    Fats and proteins do not effect blood sugar in the same way that carbs do (hence why they are painted as BAD for everyone instead of people who have medical reasons) so this is the reason why a calorie is not and will never be an equivalent calorie.
    Health is optimum for correct weightloss and body function, if you abuse that you'll gain weight back quickly among other things....
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member

    For a general rule proteins and complex carbs take 3-4 hours to break down and if not used will turn to fat. High GI things like sugary fruits, soft drink, sports drinks ect take 1-2 hours. Saturated fats take longest while unsaturated are easier to break down.
    So anything you are planning to 'burn off' needs to be taken into consideration when you eat it and when you plan to burn it off. So a donut before bed will end up in your butt while one for lunch and a gym session after work will burn it. Or fruit for breakfast will end up stored as fat if you don't work out until the night time if it isn't used up.

    You are thinking short term. If you have an overall calorie deficit for the day/week whatever the net result is a decrease in weight. Total macronutrients intaken is FAR more important than the timing of those macronutrients.

    Fats and proteins do not effect blood sugar in the same way that carbs do (hence why they are painted as BAD for everyone instead of people who have medical reasons) so this is the reason why a calorie is not and will never be an equivalent calorie.

    Protein spikes insulin just like carbs. Fat doesn't though.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    A calorie is a calorie. 1 calorie of protein is equal to 1 calorie of carbohydrate is equal to 1 calorie of fat. Calories are measurements of energy. So whether you've ingested or burned 100 calories from protein, carbs or fat, the energy value is the same from each macronutrient.
    How the body utilizes each macronutrient and the hormonal/chemical response involved is where is differs. Everything in our body is a chemical response (including thought), so how your intake is proportioned will dictate how your body responds. Some people are carb sensitive, while others aren't.

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  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,329 Member
    Do you find that you lose weight more easily when you eat a certain type of food even if you keep the calorie count exactly the same? I'd be really interested to hear your response.

    It seems to make no difference to me. The difference is it is easier to stay within my calories with the more nutrient, fiber rich foods. As for weight loss, I can pretty much eat whatever I want as long as I stick with the correct calories and I lose weight at the same rate.

  • For a general rule proteins and complex carbs take 3-4 hours to break down and if not used will turn to fat. High GI things like sugary fruits, soft drink, sports drinks ect take 1-2 hours. Saturated fats take longest while unsaturated are easier to break down.
    So anything you are planning to 'burn off' needs to be taken into consideration when you eat it and when you plan to burn it off. So a donut before bed will end up in your butt while one for lunch and a gym session after work will burn it. Or fruit for breakfast will end up stored as fat if you don't work out until the night time if it isn't used up.

    You are thinking short term. If you have an overall calorie deficit for the day/week whatever the net result is a decrease in weight. Total macronutrients intaken is FAR more important than the timing of those macronutrients.



    Possibly but I'm also eating to fuel my body for sport and mental performance at work. Not specifically for weightloss.
    But this is also true for the people who ask why they aren't losing as quick as they should or putting on weight some weeks. Your body will burn off the fuel in your blood before the fat stores are used so depending on what you have eaten prior to a workout (if it's not optimum most of the time) weightloss will be slower.
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member


    Possibly but I'm also eating to fuel my body for sport and mental performance at work. Not specifically for weightloss.

    Same :smile:
    But this is also true for the people who ask why they aren't losing as quick as they should or putting on weight some weeks. Your body will burn off the fuel in your blood before the fat stores are used so depending on what you have eaten prior to a workout (if it's not optimum most of the time) weightloss will be slower.

    Weight loss isn't linear as much as we'd like it to be. There are so many factors involved that influence scale numbers (hence scales only is a terrible idea to measure progress).
  • But this is also true for the people who ask why they aren't losing as quick as they should or putting on weight some weeks. Your body will burn off the fuel in your blood before the fat stores are used so depending on what you have eaten prior to a workout (if it's not optimum most of the time) weightloss will be slower.

    Weight loss isn't linear as much as we'd like it to be. There are so many factors involved that influence scale numbers (hence scales only is a terrible idea to measure progress).

    EXACTLY! If it was just 'output>input not matter what input actually is' weightloss wouldn't be agonising. We wouldn't have the word 'fad diet' because it would all work. Unfortunately we are not evolved past the process of the body storing nutrients that it is programmed to need. Maybe in a few thousand years our bodies will cotton on to the fact that food is plentiful and it doesn't need to hold onto things... but not yet.
  • rodneyderrick
    rodneyderrick Posts: 483 Member
    "All calories are not created equally" is a ploy to throw you off your game. I don't eat fried foods, and I love black beans, edamame, stir fry veggies, and lean meats. I'm sleek, super fit, teach aerobics, and can run like the wind. I've noticed over the last two years, since the government is starting to force calories to be placed on menus, that we're hearing this "All calories are not created equal" nonsense. A person struggling with counting calories will end up not counting after hearing this, because they'll think it doesn't work. What does it matter if eating whole foods allows you to lose weight faster than eating process foods? It doesn't matter if you're in the game for life. When you reach your goal, you log to maintain. Do not allow that proteins work this way, fats works this way, carbs work this way nonsense to throw you off your game. You'll lose weight, be fit, and have a trim figure as long as you're counting, and staying within your allotted daily calories.
  • "All calories are not created equally" is a ploy to throw you off your game. I don't eat fried foods, and I love black beans, edamame, stir fry veggies, and lean meats. I'm sleek, super fit, teach aerobics, and can run like the wind. I've noticed over the last two years, since the government is starting to force calories to be placed on menus, that we're hearing this "All calories are not created equal" nonsense. A person struggling with counting calories will end up not counting after hearing this, because they'll think it doesn't work. What does it matter if eating whole foods allows you to lose weight faster than eating process foods? It doesn't matter if you're in the game for life. When you reach your goal, you log to maintain. Do not allow that proteins work this way, fats works this way, carbs work this way nonsense to throw you off your game. You'll lose weight, be fit, and have a trim figure as long as you're counting, and staying within your allotted daily calories.

    Noone is saying you wont lose weight or keep it off by logging and staying within the alloted amount. However, weight loss will not be as quick or as close to linear as some would like if your diet is terrible.
    The health benefits of eating properly should go hand in hand with weightloss as being thin doesn't automatically mean you are healthy.
    Personally I need to know how things will effect me as I'm eating for performance over weightloss. If I just ate crud all day I'd lose weight and lose my fitness goals that I cannot possibly acheive unless I'm eating properly.
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
    You're body sees macronutrients & micronutrients not food names.
  • EccentricDad
    EccentricDad Posts: 875 Member
    Do you find that you lose weight more easily when you eat a certain type of food even if you keep the calorie count exactly the same? I'd be really interested to hear your response.

    Clean will always be better than processed. Your body has to sift through less garbage to get to it's nourishment when it's clean.
  • gvheintz
    gvheintz Posts: 138 Member
    Whiile calories are calories, you can also consider the energy your body uses up to process those calories. For example, if you eat 100 calorie snack pack of oreos versus 100 calories of apple... Your body will exert more energy digesting the apple than the oreos... So the net result of calories your body is as to use or store is not the same. That is how they get the notion of many 0 calorie foods.
  • BioQueen
    BioQueen Posts: 694 Member
    I've found that I have to eat cleanly to lose weight. I eat between 1,200-1,300 calories and if those calories come from better sources, I don't get hungry throughout the day. If I tried to fit in doritos and cookies... I would be starving haha.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    No, that is not true for me. Too much sodium will put on temporary water weight, but other than that it doesn't matter what I eat. It's all about calories.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    Do you find that you lose weight more easily when you eat a certain type of food even if you keep the calorie count exactly the same? I'd be really interested to hear your response.

    Clean will always be better than processed. Your body has to sift through less garbage to get to it's nourishment when it's clean.
    Not really. Body is very efficient at "sifting" through once food and drink are broken down.

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  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    Do you find that you lose weight more easily when you eat a certain type of food even if you keep the calorie count exactly the same? I'd be really interested to hear your response.

    Actually, I have found, so far, that so long as I stay within my calorie goal, that I continue to lose. Some days I don't hit my macros. I kept going over on carbs, so I changed the settings to put my diet back to 50% carbs. I think the key is honesty and accuracy, not "clean" vs "dirty."
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    A calorie is a calorie. 1 calorie of protein is equal to 1 calorie of carbohydrate is equal to 1 calorie of fat. Calories are measurements of energy. So whether you've ingested or burned 100 calories from protein, carbs or fat, the energy value is the same from each macronutrient.
    How the body utilizes each macronutrient and the hormonal/chemical response involved is where is differs. Everything in our body is a chemical response (including thought), so how your intake is proportioned will dictate how your body responds. Some people are carb sensitive, while others aren't.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
    IDEA Fitness member
    Kickboxing Certified Instructor
    Been in fitness for 28+ years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

    Yay! I get to agree with you today! :happy:
    :smokin:
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    I've found that I have to eat cleanly to lose weight. I eat between 1,200-1,300 calories and if those calories come from better sources, I don't get hungry throughout the day. If I tried to fit in doritos and cookies... I would be starving haha.
    That's basic mathematics. The actual VOLUME of food you're eating from "clean" food is MUCH HIGHER than if you ate from processed foods which is why you are less hungry.

    Look at it this way:
    McDonald's cheeseburger is 300 calories and weighs about 1lb (give or take)
    To equal that eating lettuce, you'd have to eat several POUNDS of it.

    More food in your stomach will result in less hunger.

    A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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