Fact or Fiction? Starvation mode?
YvieQueezy
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So is it real? Or just an excuse to eat more?
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It makes sense to me that if you eat so little to the point where it's unhealthy and you aren't fueling your body....your body will adjust for that and respond in an unhealthy way. And it makes sense to me that there is a minimum amount of calories a person needs to take in just to fuel the normal things your body does.
So......to me, if you want to call it "starvation mode" or whatever.....it seems legit to me that it's not going to be beneficial to eat too little, just like it's not beneficial to eat too much.0 -
True "starvation mode" is when your body begins to burn lean muscle for fuel, due to a lack of fuel availability elsewhere, either in calories consumed, or stored in fats. It is an actual thing, and it does not happen until you're as lean as you can be - about 6% body fat for men. So most of us here don't need to worry about that kind of starvation mode.
However, it's still true that if you consistently net less than your body needs to function, your body will assume this is the "new normal" and compensate by slowing metabolic function. It'll still burning fat for fuel, but your rate of weight loss will slow. This is not "starvation mode," but it's usually what people mean when they talk about it here.0 -
sorry but its been proved a myth0
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True "starvation mode" is when your body begins to burn lean muscle for fuel, due to a lack of fuel availability elsewhere, either in calories consumed, or stored in fats. It is an actual thing, and it does not happen until you're as lean as you can be - about 6% body fat for men. So most of us here don't need to worry about that kind of starvation mode.
However, it's still true that if you consistently net less than your body needs to function, your body will assume this is the "new normal" and compensate by slowing metabolic function. It'll still burning fat for fuel, but your rate of weight loss will slow. This is not "starvation mode," but it's usually what people mean when they talk about it here.
yep...^^.0 -
In the context that is often used here (ie your body will "hold onto" every calorie and you'll gain fat while eating at a deficit) - pure fiction.
As pointed out above the human body is incredibly adaptive and will adapt to prolonged periods of significant caloric deprivation - it's how our species survived (and continues to survive in some parts of the world) times of famine.0 -
sorry but its been proved a myth
You keep saying that... why? I'd love to see a cited source.0 -
sure your metabolism might slow down a little bit when you drop your calories by a significant amount.
but it is definitely not the extent that is described around here.0 -
If you're overweight, then throw all concern about "starvation mode" out the window. It won't happen. T. If you can count all your ribs just by looking in the mirror then you might actually be entering this zone, other than that a total myth. Your weight is a function of how much you eat and how many calories you burn during the day. Your body won't quit burning calories just because you eat less than you did at one time in the past.
E=MC^2 is a basic understood fact but people want to forget that energy is equivalent to mass on this website for some reason. If you have too much mass, you're taking in too much energy. Decrease the energy replacement and you'll lose mass. Science n stuff, yo!0 -
True "starvation mode" is when your body begins to burn lean muscle for fuel, due to a lack of fuel availability elsewhere, either in calories consumed, or stored in fats. It is an actual thing, and it does not happen until you're as lean as you can be - about 6% body fat for men. So most of us here don't need to worry about that kind of starvation mode.
However, it's still true that if you consistently net less than your body needs to function, your body will assume this is the "new normal" and compensate by slowing metabolic function. It'll still burning fat for fuel, but your rate of weight loss will slow. This is not "starvation mode," but it's usually what people mean when they talk about it here.
yep...^^.
Couldn't explain it better.0 -
True "starvation mode" is when your body begins to burn lean muscle for fuel, due to a lack of fuel availability elsewhere, either in calories consumed, or stored in fats. It is an actual thing, and it does not happen until you're as lean as you can be - about 6% body fat for men. So most of us here don't need to worry about that kind of starvation mode.
However, it's still true that if you consistently net less than your body needs to function, your body will assume this is the "new normal" and compensate by slowing metabolic function. It'll still burning fat for fuel, but your rate of weight loss will slow. This is not "starvation mode," but it's usually what people mean when they talk about it here.
Spot on. Do a google search for the military's study on starvation mode. You will find that it is very difficult to send your body into starvation mode. The subjects were already very lean and subjected to extreme deficits and exercise. Bottom line, most people who say they are not losing weight due to being in starvation mode, are more than likely just not counting calories correctly.0 -
At last a sensible debunking thread on this, as many say those of us overweight & downright fat can ignore the starvation mode threat0
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Fiction.I am overweight so my body has fat Reserves...Think of hibernating Bears-They eat a LOT before Winter so that their bodies can live off of that fat while they sleep..My body will live off of my Fat when I dont feed it enough...thats the intended function of body fat..to feed us when food is scarce.0
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I don;t know if it's truth or myth but I know from my own experience that when eating low cal for long time, weight loss will eventually stop and very hard (almost impossible) to break.0
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I don;t know if it's truth or myth but I know from my own experience that when eating low cal for long time, weight loss will eventually stop and very hard (almost impossible) to break.
do you find when that happens, you still have a decent amount of bodyfat?0 -
I don;t know if it's truth or myth but I know from my own experience that when eating low cal for long time, weight loss will eventually stop and very hard (almost impossible) to break.
I always remember my Dr informing me that no fat people came out of Belsen or even Biafra, or the Sudan today. Lower cal in than cals used must result in weight loss, not maybe the ideal kind, but still weight loss0 -
I have been looking at why.... i was not losing weight i exercise 40 mins a day hard have built muscle " believe i was eating less than 1000 calories, i am 45@ 90kg male looking aerobic fitness so i am putting in the effort and for the last two weeks have not loss a cracker... OK here why i need more info :
every so called good site say' my normal calorie intake as a male of age and weight is approx 2600 to sustain current weight with minimal exercise some say as high as 3000 .... so let do the science if ineed this much FUEL to RUN a normal life then if i increase the phyical exercise by a factor of 5 then the science would tell you more fuel is needed
So if put less fuel in , exercise by a factor of 5 more.... the laws of science tell me i will need to access fuel else where "FAT" to replace fuel i am not intaking otherwise i will feel total loss of energy and fatigue......." i dont'"
so what is really going on....!
I am an engineer so i personally need to know !! i always try to find the fact from the fiction...
So below is the best information i have found in my own research.... and it points the finger directly at the real problem ....ME
I will know more in a week or two after follow a calorie plan on myfitnesspal exactly !
see below
Starvation-mode (or starvation-response) is the popular theory that the body “reacts” to dieting by lowering its metabolic rate in order to preserve itself. According to the theory a dieter could be following a reduced-calorie eating plan—to the letter—and still not lose an ounce. Furthermore, the purported solution is that one needs to eat more in order to lose weight.
The theory is an attempt to explain why people aren’t losing weight although they report (to their weight loss coach, or fellow dieters) that they are indeed following their diet and exercise program.
What are the problems with the theory?
Metabolic rates don’t actually drop enough to significantly slow weight loss (if someone is indeed adhering to a reduced-calorie target). There can be a small reduction in (resting) metabolic rate when you reduce your calorie intake. For most people—since they're eating 1,200 or more calories per day—that drop won’t be more than 5%. For the minority of people that eat fewer calories (which should only occur under medical supervision) the reduction may be 5- to 15%. In neither case will weight loss STOP, or stall, beyond what’s explainable by those changes. Under no circumstances will EATING MORE be necessary. Not everyone will experience this reduction in metabolism, but for those that do it dissipates a week or so after they resume a calorie intake level that matches (or exceeds) the physiolgical needs of their current body weight.[ii]
Studies of “diet-resistant” subjects consistently find normal metabolic rates, AND underreporting of calorie intake. There are four studies on obese subjects who were referred to metabolic labs for further analysis because they were not losing weight while reporting energy intakes that should have been resulting in weight loss of 1- to 2-pounds per week. In each case (other than 2 subjects with hypothyroid status) all subjects among these three studies were found to have metabolic rates within the normal range—no starvation mode happening—and to be simply underreporting their energy intake. [iii],[iv],[v],[x]
Subjects underreported by an average of 1,453 calories per day in the study by Buhl, by 1,000 calories per day in the study by Skov, and by 1,053 calories per day in the study by Lichtman. The hypothyroid subjects also underreported by 800 to 900 calories per day. In the study by Heymsfield, where subjects underreported by an average of almost 1,200-calories per day, he discusses potential causes of underreporting of energy intake including: inadequate calorie knowledge, inaccurate portion estimates, memory disturbance (forgetting), inaccurate food labeling, and psychosocial motivation (conscious or not).
Heymsfield was able to show in his patient group however, that the same subjects were able to accurately report, "when they believed the researcher would be able to check the accuracy of their reporting," which apparently supported psychosocial motivation. To explore that further the study subjects (and a control group) were administered the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory. The subjects scored significantly higher than controls in key areas, confirming the tendency toward both conscious impression management (the purposeful tailoring of one's responses to display a positive image to others), and unconscious self-deception (described as the tendency to distort information to preserve a more virtuous self image [in this case, as a stringent dieter]).
Clearly, underreporting of energy intake is a complicated phenomenon. What we do know for sure it that it's a widespread problem, and while it occurs across all BMI groups the degree of underreporting also increases as BMIs increase.
Research looking at chronically undernourished populations has also failed to find evidence supporting starvation mode.[vi],[vii],[viii]
Despite widespread anecdotal reports of problems with starvation mode, there isn’t a single published case study documenting an individual in starvation mode in the medical literature. Apparently medical science has yet to find a person that doesn’t lose weight (as expected by the 1st Law of Thermodynamics) when underfed. Should we be surprised that—like GRAVITY—this law of physics applies to everybody?
The starvation mode theory certainly is appealing from the standpoint that it lets both the dieter and their coach off the hook—lack of progress is blamed on something out of the dieters' control.[ix] It’s a sad situation however, after all, there is nothing to problem-solve if you believe your body is betraying you. No path forward. On the the other hand, some may find playing the martyr rewarding (consciously or not), after all, there's a lot of attention to be gained.
The Bottom Line: Given the laws of physics, the notion that some people need to eat more to kick start weight loss is inherently flawed. Starvation mode is simply VERY popular mythology. Carefully tracking your calorie intake and exercise can actually reinforce that your body works just as it should. See the advise at the end of my blog on weight loss plateaus for more suggestions. Having your metabolic rate measured can also give you peace of mind. You can trust that:
Positive energy balance leads to weight gain
Negative energy balance leads to weight loss, and
Only neutral energy balance supports a stable weight
All the Best,
-Dorene0 -
This makes very good sense on the subject-
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/654536-in-place-of-a-road-map-2-0-revised-7-2-120 -
sorry but its been proved a myth
You keep saying that... why? I'd love to see a cited source.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/pdf/postmedj00315-0056.pdf0 -
I don't buy into starvation mode as most people believe it to be, but I do believe that prolonged under eating will destroy your metabolism because of loss of muscle. Muscle burns calories.
My question to all those who do chronically under eat is: why? Why eat so little when you can eat more and still lose weight?0 -
True "starvation mode" is when your body begins to burn lean muscle for fuel, due to a lack of fuel availability elsewhere, either in calories consumed, or stored in fats. It is an actual thing, and it does not happen until you're as lean as you can be - about 6% body fat for men. So most of us here don't need to worry about that kind of starvation mode.
However, it's still true that if you consistently net less than your body needs to function, your body will assume this is the "new normal" and compensate by slowing metabolic function. It'll still burning fat for fuel, but your rate of weight loss will slow. This is not "starvation mode," but it's usually what people mean when they talk about it here.
This exactly!0 -
If you're overweight, then throw all concern about "starvation mode" out the window. It won't happen.
LMAO This had me rolling!0 -
To an extent its true. When I was 15 I went without power for two weeks with no money just canned food. I wont get into details but I went to school just to eat free school lunch, and in those two weeks i lost 15lbs. No exercising.0
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True "starvation mode" is when your body begins to burn lean muscle for fuel, due to a lack of fuel availability elsewhere, either in calories consumed, or stored in fats. It is an actual thing, and it does not happen until you're as lean as you can be - about 6% body fat for men. So most of us here don't need to worry about that kind of starvation mode.
However, it's still true that if you consistently net less than your body needs to function, your body will assume this is the "new normal" and compensate by slowing metabolic function. It'll still burning fat for fuel, but your rate of weight loss will slow. This is not "starvation mode," but it's usually what people mean when they talk about it here.
Agreed with one clarifying point. Your body can and will burn lean muscle for fuel at higher percentage BF% if there is a large calorie deficit and/or no resistance training. At a very low BF% is will basically burn primarily muscle.0 -
sorry but its been proved a myth
not.0 -
sorry but its been proved a myth
You keep saying that... why? I'd love to see a cited source.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2495396/pdf/postmedj00315-0056.pdf
This study indicates that you will not stop losing weight assuming you are in a calorie deficit. It is one of the definitions used on here as 'starvation mode' - this interpretation of it is a myth. It does not address body composition or metabolic adaptation though.0 -
True "starvation mode" is when your body begins to burn lean muscle for fuel, due to a lack of fuel availability elsewhere, either in calories consumed, or stored in fats. It is an actual thing, and it does not happen until you're as lean as you can be - about 6% body fat for men. So most of us here don't need to worry about that kind of starvation mode.
However, it's still true that if you consistently net less than your body needs to function, your body will assume this is the "new normal" and compensate by slowing metabolic function. It'll still burning fat for fuel, but your rate of weight loss will slow. This is not "starvation mode," but it's usually what people mean when they talk about it here.
And that's the important part. It doesn't matter what we call it--the term as we have come to mean it represents a physiological response that is absolutely TRUE.0 -
When weight loss has stalled in the past, I discovered that I was under-estimating my calorie count. Sure - I'd measured out 1200 calories for meals but had also "tasted" food while I was preparing meals. Those little nibbles can really add up! I assume this happens to other people, too.0
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This makes very good sense on the subject-
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/654536-in-place-of-a-road-map-2-0-revised-7-2-12
Ahh the other myth..................you can't eat below BMR0 -
Why anyone would want to be hungry while loosing weight is beyond me so who cares if it's real or not. Eat 10-20% below your TDEE than getting to goal is so easy!0
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I don't think "starvation mode" is real, but I do know that I plateaued after eating to low calories and didn't start losing again until I increased them.0
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