Crossfit & Paleo
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Putting time constraints on Olympic lifts in a competitive environment is a recipe for an injury. Many of the people who crossfit are competitive by nature and will sacrifice form to complete the lifts in the shortest amount of time. There are people that are smart and will not listen to a bad crossfit trainer, and then there are those that have the big Kool-Aid moustache and line up to drink more and suck with dealing with peer pressure.
This is the only problem I have found so far in researching crossfit, because I’ve wanted to give it a try. I love the functional movement aspect, but watching some of the videos of a group of people trying to get the best times doing various oly lifts made me cringe.
I’m also planning on going partial paleo…heck, I pretty much already am a meat & potatoes kind of guy, I’ll just have to switch to sweet potatoes instead of the white ones. Much of the logic behind paleo makes sense to me.0 -
Can you get hurt. Sure. Have I got hurt. Yea. I had rotator cuff problems.. which I could have easily of had on so called "shoulder day" as I could have doing crossfit. I stopped with overhead movements until I healed. I avoid successive overhead movements in my programming.
Crossfit style kipping pullups put you are a very high risk of SLAP tears and other shoulder problems as your shoulders are not typically equipped to handle the load of that sort of pullup when you do that sort of pullup instead of the dead hang variety due to lack of strength/conditioning. Especially the potenital ballistic stretching that comes from one particular type that is pretty unique to Crossfit (butterflies).
If you can't do high rep deadhangs, doing high rep kipping pullups is idiotic.0 -
Yea, my shoulder was sore and I ignored the pain and kept working out. Not smart on my part.
I would agree that there is a increase degree of injury in CrossFit vs traditional weight lift at gym. When ever you do anything at a high intensity you are subject for injury. ALL sports are an example of this.
Not all trainers are great. Like anything else some people are just better than others. You still have to use your brain if you doing CrossFit. If you going into like a Lemming than you probably are going to get hurt.0 -
I think more people should stop trying to be safe and play so hard they get hurt for a change. When was the last time you played so hard that you fell and scraped your knee?
20 years?
that's not living.
Im going to scrape up my knees asap.
Good idea. Let's all go tear rotator cuffs. So we can live a little more. Right.
DUDE. GTFO.
You've made your point, like 800 times.
Jog on, troll.0 -
I think more people should stop trying to be safe and play so hard they get hurt for a change. When was the last time you played so hard that you fell and scraped your knee?
20 years?
that's not living.
Im going to scrape up my knees asap.
Good idea. Let's all go tear rotator cuffs. So we can live a little more. Right.
DUDE. GTFO.
You've made your point, like 800 times.
Jog on, troll.
Forgive me. I didn't know you owned the internet.0 -
@OP ignore the extremists on either side. Check out some boxes, remembering not all are created equal. If they are safe, emphasizing form over speed and you enjoy it and find it and the diet sustainable then go for it. It beats sitting on the couch eating chips.0
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Yea, my shoulder was sore and I ignored the pain and kept working out. Not smart on my part.
I would agree that there is a increase degree of injury in CrossFit vs traditional weight lift at gym. When ever you do anything at a high intensity you are subject for injury. ALL sports are an example of this.
Not all trainers are great. Like anything else some people are just better than others. You still have to use your brain if you doing CrossFit. If you going into like a Lemming than you probably are going to get hurt.
Hence the issue with quality control for Crossfit trainers. People new to lifts may not know what is normal discomfort and what is abnormal discomfort. Doesn't make them a lemming or mean they are acting brainless. My expectation is that if i am paying a trainer, he/she is teaching and encouraging safe technique.0 -
Why bother with something if it isn't dangerous?
How else do you think you get to be Batman?
http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2012/08/23/batman-bodyweight-workout/
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Free to do in the comfort of your own home. The only equipment needed is a doorway pullup bar, about 1/10th the cost of monthly Crossfit fees.
I was hoping someone would post that!0 -
Hello Everyone,
Your feedback is much appreciated! I thank you all for your input and I am grateful to have a forum where I can get more info about Crossfit & Paleo from other fitness enthusiasts. I hope everyone has a nice day!0 -
There are plenty of terrible trainers out there. It's not exclusive to xfit.0
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this is why Crossfit has a bad rap.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOHZvWgCOs
Note the visibly pregnant woman nearly killing her baby with the bar she's dropping.... As well as many other people nearly breaking their necks.
Of course there are bad trainers in any gym, but it seems to me that Xfit seems to pull in all of them. And encourage unsafe practices.0 -
Putting time constraints on Olympic lifts in a competitive environment is a recipe for an injury. Many of the people who crossfit are competitive by nature and will sacrifice form to complete the lifts in the shortest amount of time. There are people that are smart and will not listen to a bad crossfit trainer, and then there are those that have the big Kool-Aid moustache and line up to drink more and suck with dealing with peer pressure.
^This. Sorry but when people are in a competitive atmosphere and are performing fast paced olympic style lifts it is a recipe for injury. Performing exercises like squats, box jumps, cleans, or anytime lifting a weight over your head while going at a fast pace and performing it until failure or fatigue is extremely dangerous.
The bottom line with Crossfit is that YES it is a GREAT workout. People just need to be careful and make sure they are performing their workouts in a safe manner and keep their wits about them once the clock starts. Ligaments, tendons, bones, and muscles can be injured extremely easily when fatigue and improper form is involved.
Fatigue + (time constraints x competitiveness) = proper form goes out the window. Just be careful!0 -
I think more people should stop trying to be safe and play so hard they get hurt for a change. When was the last time you played so hard that you fell and scraped your knee?
20 years?
that's not living.
Im going to scrape up my knees asap.
Good idea. Let's all go tear rotator cuffs. So we can live a little more. Right.
wow... that's...
Wait did I say something snarktastic at you so the public would laugh at you and belittle your argument?
No - I didnt actually. And saying that I meant tear off my rotator cuff, when I was simply conversing with you about playtime and how long its been since we've scraped our knees - was a **** move.
Wow.0 -
Those things are not unique to crossfit.but there are also a ton of other exercises and technique involved that has nothing to do with power lifting.. Rowing, pull-ups, burpess, push-ups, muscle-ups, plyo jumps, jump roping, the list goes on and on and on
im all but a virgin when it comes to crossfit - like hysterically new - but im pretty sure that NOTHING is unique to crossfit... just staying.
Go find me another program with high rep sets of olympic lifts.
5-3-1 - when I do the deadlift day - thats 90 reps.0 -
Hello Everyone,
Your feedback is much appreciated! I thank you all for your input and I am grateful to have a forum where I can get more info about Crossfit & Paleo from other fitness enthusiasts. I hope everyone has a nice day!
Also, all of this type of discussion can be found here too.
http://www.board.crossfit.com/
But you'll probably find more sensible comments (both for an against) without it being 2000 posts per minute. Less people will have an agenda. Trolls have a 0 calorie quota. Most understand high rep and dangers. You'll find more actual experience rather than hearsay and agendas.
The same tired kipping vs strict, paleo vs not, globo vs corssfit, idiots vs meatheads, box vs home, and not all trainers are created equal can be found but you'll find some good information.
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Crossfit & Paleo are a beautiful match. Kippling pullups are the perfect analogy for what paleo does with science.
+2
Plus....nevermind the horrendous drain on your wallet between both of them.
If "paleo" is draining your wallet...
...you're doing it wrong.
Clearly, eating only grass fed, free range, antibiotic free meat and non GMO organic produce, avoiding all other foods, is a pocketbook friendly way of eating.
And yes...the "Box", often with monthly dues that exceed the cost of a brand new car (assuming a 5 year loan). That's just silly. The reason those things are sprouting up everywhere is that putting the name Crossfit on a garage is pretty much akin to building a money printing press.
And they say the economy is doing bad, LOL.
Perhaps the economics differ in different parts of the country/world, but I have found grass-finished beef for average ~$3-4/pound and direct-from-the-farmer produce for prices similar to/better than the grocery store. Sure, it took a little bit of searching and it isn't as convenient as the grocery store, but it doesn't necessarily have to cost that much more.
As for the cost of CF, yeah...that stuff is crazy expensive (compared to a typical $10-20/month gym)...but not necessarily more expensive than some popular hobbies.0 -
good crossfit boxes will require you to take a 2-3 week basics class where they generally teach you the form for certain exercises that they use, such as dead lifts, squat variations, and burpees.
and it is expensive, but thats because it is classes. a good box usually limits just how many people can register for a class. the local crossfit gym by my house charges $150 for 8 classes a month, and a local boot camp studio charges about the same.
btw, this is in new york city, where my globo gym costs me $60 a month.0 -
Those things are not unique to crossfit.but there are also a ton of other exercises and technique involved that has nothing to do with power lifting.. Rowing, pull-ups, burpess, push-ups, muscle-ups, plyo jumps, jump roping, the list goes on and on and on
im all but a virgin when it comes to crossfit - like hysterically new - but im pretty sure that NOTHING is unique to crossfit... just staying.
Go find me another program with high rep sets of olympic lifts.
5-3-1 - when I do the deadlift day - thats 90 reps.
Deadlifts aren't an Olympic lift, but I agree if you strictly follow the common BBB template it is a lot if not too many deadlifts.0 -
Those things are not unique to crossfit.but there are also a ton of other exercises and technique involved that has nothing to do with power lifting.. Rowing, pull-ups, burpess, push-ups, muscle-ups, plyo jumps, jump roping, the list goes on and on and on
im all but a virgin when it comes to crossfit - like hysterically new - but im pretty sure that NOTHING is unique to crossfit... just staying.
Go find me another program with high rep sets of olympic lifts.
5-3-1 - when I do the deadlift day - thats 90 reps.
Deadlifts aren't an Olympic lift, but I agree if you strictly follow the common BBB template it is a lot if not too many deadlifts.
opinions are so cute
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this is why Crossfit has a bad rap.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOHZvWgCOs
Note the visibly pregnant woman nearly killing her baby with the bar she's dropping.... As well as many other people nearly breaking their necks.
Of course there are bad trainers in any gym, but it seems to me that Xfit seems to pull in all of them. And encourage unsafe practices.
Ouch. Those videos were painful to watch. And I'm sure there are plenty on youtube that are similar. But, you should be aware that the specific compilation you posted was produced by 30bananasaday.com, which is a raw vegan website. So... I think their "beef" with Crossfit is likely because they don't like Paleo.0 -
Those things are not unique to crossfit.but there are also a ton of other exercises and technique involved that has nothing to do with power lifting.. Rowing, pull-ups, burpess, push-ups, muscle-ups, plyo jumps, jump roping, the list goes on and on and on
im all but a virgin when it comes to crossfit - like hysterically new - but im pretty sure that NOTHING is unique to crossfit... just staying.
Go find me another program with high rep sets of olympic lifts.
5-3-1 - when I do the deadlift day - thats 90 reps.
Deadlifts aren't an Olympic lift, but I agree if you strictly follow the common BBB template it is a lot if not too many deadlifts.
opinions are so cute
coochie coooooooo
I forgot what the argument was about0 -
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I've been eating Primal (Paleo + dairy, more or less) for about 3.5 months, and love it. It was a tough transition at first because I was really strict with myself, but it's much easier now, and very sustainable. If you want to learn more, there's a good Paleo group on MFP.
I thought I wanted to join CF, and I still might some day, but I'm on the fence for many of the reasons stated above.
As I see it...
CF Pros:
- functional fitness keeps workouts interesting and motivating
- once you learn the moves, you can take advantage of the WODs anywhere, to some extent
- the sense of community makes it more likely that I will stick with it
- sense of competition helps to push harder
- expensive, but not too different from the fancy gyms in my town and all the extra fees for their classes. Less money than personal trainer 3x a week
CF Cons:
- expensive, see above
- sense of competition might allow people to push beyond their limits
- 3 very hard core CF boxes in my town, which is full of semi and professional athletes. Working out at any gym is intimidating, but at CF in particular.
If I join, I seriously doubt I'll be one of those people lifting crazy beyond my limits. And I know I won't be one that gets into their regional competitions. I won't view it as "my sport". I'll view it as a good workout, and keep it at that.
But... I might just join my current independent functional fitness box. Less expensive, same kind of WODs, but without the oly lifting and only mild competition (yes, you get your name on a board, but since no one can read the owner's writing, it doesn't really matter).0 -
good read right here
http://www.vpxsports.com/article-detail/industry-news/crossfit-the-good-versus-the-bad0 -
That's the best analysis I've ever seen. i think it describes the situation well in aqn unbiased way.
What scares me, is I don't know anything about this stuff. How do I really know if a box is good or not, if a coach is good or not? I have no way of really knowing this information.
It seems like CF could drastically improve it's reputation by making the training certifications really difficult to achieve; where having a CF cert really means something in the industry.0 -
Most boxes have a "free day" or a free trail, attend that. You will need to make sure they have at the bare minimum -What scares me, is I don't know anything about this stuff. How do I really know if a box is good or not,
Barbells
Bumper plates
Allow Chalk
Power Cage / Squat Rack
Pull Up Bar
...that's about it really. Anything else is just nice to have
Find a coach that actually competes. Find out when they last competed, and how they ranked. Find out their lifting stats, and even see if you can watch their form. See if they have any other certifications other than their weekend CF1 course. Actually have a sit down and talk about goals, past injuries etc. Take me for example, I am capable of doing most WODS, I wouldn't participate in any high rep oly lifts though... but my goal isn't to be what CF calls "fit". My goal is pure strength based, so doing WODS everyday are actually counterproductive for me. I will however do 1 a week as one of my cardio daysif a coach is good or not? I have no way of really knowing this information.
This or HQ would do check ups on their affiliates. McDonald's does a check up on every single one of their affiliates every month. If a store doesn't meet the bench marks there can be serious repercussions. CF could just do this.It seems like CF could drastically improve it's reputation by making the training certifications really difficult to achieve; where having a CF cert really means something in the industry.0 -
anything is dangerous if you dont do it correctly but i do understand why some people have misgivings about crossfit.
during my on-ramp class we learned 40 standard crossfit moves but most in my class had never lifted, much less did olympic lifts . so they got to practice a few times with a dowel, then a few times with a barbell (appropriately scaled) and then most time that move was included in our WOD, for time :laugh: that aspect of it is a bit ridiculous when you think about it : ok here's how you clean. try it 10 times. now do it in a workout as fast as you can. out of 6 people, we had 2 injuries. one was an old shoulder injury and the other was a brand new injury.
i thought my instructors were OK. i have a solid background in lifting and oly lifts so I was fine with what i received, but i think they should have spent more time correcting newbs since bad habits start early
i dont do paleo though and never will.
oh and i live in the bay area and my crossfit box is only $65 a month for unlimited classes (but i'm only doing 3 days a week) and i also get access to indoor rock climbing0 -
Crossfit! (Or how I managed to cripple myself)
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/AggieCass09/view/healing-updates-4403930
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