No Fat Diet
vegan444
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Hi everyone.
I've had gallbladder issues for the last few years, but they've gotten a lot worse recently. It doesn't seem to matter when I eat it, or what kind of fats I eat (I'm vegan, so they're always the "good fats") I end up in a lot of pain for hours. It usually means I miss out on a night's sleep and I have to take very potent pain killers. So, I don't have much of a choice but to cut out fats all together (trying to stay below 5g a day).
Has anyone else had to deal with this? I'm going way over in my carbs, which seems unavoidable, but I'm wondering if anyone has ideas for no fat, vegan protein options or things to eat that will make me feel full for longer. I'm feeling really deprived, so even ideas for keeping meals interesting and satisfying my cravings for chips / french fries / avacado would be very much appreciated!
Thanks for reading
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I've had gallbladder issues for the last few years, but they've gotten a lot worse recently. It doesn't seem to matter when I eat it, or what kind of fats I eat (I'm vegan, so they're always the "good fats") I end up in a lot of pain for hours. It usually means I miss out on a night's sleep and I have to take very potent pain killers. So, I don't have much of a choice but to cut out fats all together (trying to stay below 5g a day).
Has anyone else had to deal with this? I'm going way over in my carbs, which seems unavoidable, but I'm wondering if anyone has ideas for no fat, vegan protein options or things to eat that will make me feel full for longer. I'm feeling really deprived, so even ideas for keeping meals interesting and satisfying my cravings for chips / french fries / avacado would be very much appreciated!
Thanks for reading
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The only ings I can think of is hummus, you could make your own, although some commercial brands have no added oil, but they are harder to find.0
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Hi everyone.
I've had gallbladder issues for the last few years, but they've gotten a lot worse recently. It doesn't seem to matter when I eat it, or what kind of fats I eat (I'm vegan, so they're always the "good fats") I end up in a lot of pain for hours. It usually means I miss out on a night's sleep and I have to take very potent pain killers. So, I don't have much of a choice but to cut out fats all together (trying to stay below 5g a day).
Has anyone else had to deal with this? I'm going way over in my carbs, which seems unavoidable, but I'm wondering if anyone has ideas for no fat, vegan protein options or things to eat that will make me feel full for longer. I'm feeling really deprived, so even ideas for keeping meals interesting and satisfying my cravings for chips / french fries / avacado would be very much appreciated!
Thanks for reading)
Yes. I suffered from severe gallbladder attacks. I stopped guessing about what foods I can and can't eat and had it removed. The best thing I ever did! Have you spoken to your Doctor about having it removed? It's a common surgery, safe and recovery time is quick!!!0 -
You might want to take a look at Freelee, Durian Rider, Meagan Elizabeth, Kristina Carrillo-Bucaram, and Tiny Fruit Lover. They are all raw vegans on youtube. They have tons of videos about healing your body and cravings on the high-carb, low-fat raw vegan life-style.0
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Even without the oil, chick peas have fat in them, at least the canned ones do... I thought that might work too, but I guess that would be too easy / tasty.
So far the only solution I've found are green peas / split peas.
I'm hoping to get it removed as soon as possible, but my doctor wants me to see a liver specialist before I have surgery. I have high enzyme levels which could be caused by the gallstones or by something else, and they want to see if I should have a liver biopsy at the same time. The specialist only comes to my town once every few months, so this has been a long wait. I know I can't live like this forever, but for now I'm kind of stuck -_-0 -
I might take a look at that. I don't do raw (I'm more of a vegan for ethical reasons than for health reasons), but they might have some ideas about protein. I'm always kind of sceptical about diets that are high in one area, but I suppose it's unavoidable.You might want to take a look at Freelee, Durian Rider, Meagan Elizabeth, Kristina Carrillo-Bucaram, and Tiny Fruit Lover. They are all raw vegans on youtube. They have tons of videos about healing your body and cravings on the high-carb, low-fat raw vegan life-style.0
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See your doctor about your gall bladder issue... Get it taken care of and then be sensible in your fat/oil consumption...I might take a look at that. I don't do raw (I'm more of a vegan for ethical reasons than for health reasons), but they might have some ideas about protein. I'm always kind of sceptical about diets that are high in one area, but I suppose it's unavoidable.You might want to take a look at Freelee, Durian Rider, Meagan Elizabeth, Kristina Carrillo-Bucaram, and Tiny Fruit Lover. They are all raw vegans on youtube. They have tons of videos about healing your body and cravings on the high-carb, low-fat raw vegan life-style.0 -
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See your doctor about your gall bladder issue... Get it taken care of and then be sensible in your fat/oil consumption...
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I have, but I wont realistically be able to have it removed for a few months.0 -
See your doctor about your gall bladder issue... Get it taken care of and then be sensible in your fat/oil consumption...
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I have, but I wont realistically be able to have it removed for a few months.
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While I was waiting for my surgery I ate a lot of jello and rice, cut out all dairy. It sucked but I only had to wait 4 weeks till the surgery. So worth it! I'm pain free now!0 -
See your doctor about your gall bladder issue... Get it taken care of and then be sensible in your fat/oil consumption...I might take a look at that. I don't do raw (I'm more of a vegan for ethical reasons than for health reasons), but they might have some ideas about protein. I'm always kind of sceptical about diets that are high in one area, but I suppose it's unavoidable.You might want to take a look at Freelee, Durian Rider, Meagan Elizabeth, Kristina Carrillo-Bucaram, and Tiny Fruit Lover. They are all raw vegans on youtube. They have tons of videos about healing your body and cravings on the high-carb, low-fat raw vegan life-style.
^^^^^ This is the best advice. See your Doctor!!0 -
I saw a doctor at the ER today. I had an appointment to see my regular doctor that took 2 weeks to set up, but I missed it cause I was in the ER. Waited 6 hours to see a surgeon and he says he wants me to see a specialist too. Still no appointment for the specialist or the surgery. I only had 8g of fat yesterday, spread out through the day. Not really sure what to do.0
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Having you tried cutting sugar out of your diet instead of fat or good fats?
I’m not a health professional but I’ve been doing a lot of research lately about the “Fat Free” vs “Sugar free” theories and this is what i have concluded. Our bodies are designed to metabolise fat, carbs and protein. We have an internal calorie counter that tells us when we have had enough by the brain sending out a “I feel full” feeling. In looking for info on the different types of sugars, it appears that out of the 3 main sugars ( glucose, Galactose and Fructose) Fructose is the one that doesn’t register with this internal calorie counter and our bodies are not designed to metabolise it. As our bodies don’t detect it when we do eat it, we have to eat a whole stack of it just to feel full. Which a lot of us do ! Hence the reason why fruit juice is more fattening then full milk if you were to drink the amount to feel full for each of them. Sounds crazy right?! To add to this, unlike fat where our bodies can break this down and have a use for it , fructose turns straight into fatty acids ( which will affect your gall bladder) and this is what’s adding to our hips and worse gathering in blood stream and eventually clogging our arteries.
Years ago the Diabetics foundations insisted on diabetics eating fructose. However, in the last few years they have recalled this advise becuase of the other affects it has on the body, being instantly turning in to fatty acids ( before even glucose as a chance to react in the body) and going into the blood stream as fat rather then sugar, hense the reason it doesnt spike blood sugar levels. Sneaky little buggers !!!
As I said, I’m not a health expert but found this very interesting :P0 -
You have to consume essential fats.0
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Yes. I suffered from severe gallbladder attacks. I stopped guessing about what foods I can and can't eat and had it removed. The best thing I ever did! Have you spoken to your Doctor about having it removed? It's a common surgery, safe and recovery time is quick!!!
^^^ THIS!! I had mine out and best thing EVER!0 -
You might want to take a look at Freelee, Durian Rider, Meagan Elizabeth, Kristina Carrillo-Bucaram, and Tiny Fruit Lover. They are all raw vegans on youtube. They have tons of videos about healing your body and cravings on the high-carb, low-fat raw vegan life-style.
I just did a huge write up on Kristina Carillo-Bucaram for Motivate magazine. She's awesome. Not my diet (I'm high fat, low carb, actually!), but she's super helpful if you need help!0 -
Make it simple, have it removed.0
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My liver enzymes were high due to gallstones also, but only when I had the attack that sent me to the ER. Prior to that, my enzymes were normal (or at least not notably high). The reason they were high when I went in was because a stone was blocking a bile duct.
I had known that I had gallstones for several months, but what the surgeon found out when he removed the bladder was that it had likely been bad for several years. It had actually fused to my liver, and he said it was the worst looking gall bladder he had ever removed.
I lost a lot of weight fast when I was avoiding fats, because I was eating very little food. So, I don't have much advice on diet, but thought I'd give you a bit of encouragement about your liver. The enzyme level certainly can be attributed to the gall stones. Let's hope so! Levels went back to normal after I had the bladder and stone removed.0 -
Having you tried cutting sugar out of your diet instead of fat or good fats?
I’m not a health professional but I’ve been doing a lot of research lately about the “Fat Free” vs “Sugar free” theories and this is what i have concluded. Our bodies are designed to metabolise fat, carbs and protein. We have an internal calorie counter that tells us when we have had enough by the brain sending out a “I feel full” feeling. In looking for info on the different types of sugars, it appears that out of the 3 main sugars ( glucose, Galactose and Fructose) Fructose is the one that doesn’t register with this internal calorie counter and our bodies are not designed to metabolise it. As our bodies don’t detect it when we do eat it, we have to eat a whole stack of it just to feel full. Which a lot of us do ! Hence the reason why fruit juice is more fattening then full milk if you were to drink the amount to feel full for each of them. Sounds crazy right?! To add to this, unlike fat where our bodies can break this down and have a use for it , fructose turns straight into fatty acids ( which will affect your gall bladder) and this is what’s adding to our hips and worse gathering in blood stream and eventually clogging our arteries.
Years ago the Diabetics foundations insisted on diabetics eating fructose. However, in the last few years they have recalled this advise becuase of the other affects it has on the body, being instantly turning in to fatty acids ( before even glucose as a chance to react in the body) and going into the blood stream as fat rather then sugar, hense the reason it doesnt spike blood sugar levels. Sneaky little buggers !!!
As I said, I’m not a health expert but found this very interesting :P
Fats are what set off gall stone attacks. Sometimes spicy food, as well. That is why she is going low fat.0 -
Make it simple, have it removed.
Let me add...you still need to change your diet to lower fat/cholesterol meals...or you may need to invest in Charmin.0 -
http://www.dietdoctor.com/gallstones-and-low-carb
This is actually a REALLY interesting article that talks about how a low fat diet leads to gall stones because you produce less bile to digest the fat from continuously eating a low fat diet. Again, I don't have gall stones, so I don't know much on the topic. Just an interesting read. Good luck, OP!0 -
Having you tried cutting sugar out of your diet instead of fat or good fats?
I’m not a health professional but I’ve been doing a lot of research lately about the “Fat Free” vs “Sugar free” theories and this is what i have concluded. Our bodies are designed to metabolise fat, carbs and protein. We have an internal calorie counter that tells us when we have had enough by the brain sending out a “I feel full” feeling. In looking for info on the different types of sugars, it appears that out of the 3 main sugars ( glucose, Galactose and Fructose) Fructose is the one that doesn’t register with this internal calorie counter and our bodies are not designed to metabolise it. As our bodies don’t detect it when we do eat it, we have to eat a whole stack of it just to feel full. Which a lot of us do ! Hence the reason why fruit juice is more fattening then full milk if you were to drink the amount to feel full for each of them. Sounds crazy right?! To add to this, unlike fat where our bodies can break this down and have a use for it , fructose turns straight into fatty acids ( which will affect your gall bladder) and this is what’s adding to our hips and worse gathering in blood stream and eventually clogging our arteries.
Years ago the Diabetics foundations insisted on diabetics eating fructose. However, in the last few years they have recalled this advise becuase of the other affects it has on the body, being instantly turning in to fatty acids ( before even glucose as a chance to react in the body) and going into the blood stream as fat rather then sugar, hense the reason it doesnt spike blood sugar levels. Sneaky little buggers !!!
As I said, I’m not a health expert but found this very interesting :P
Fats are what set off gall stone attacks. Sometimes spicy food, as well. That is why she is going low fat.
Yeah absoutly, but Fructose turns straigt into fatty acids too, so wouldnt it make sense to cut that out then?0 -
Your best bet is probably lots and lots of fresh vegetables.
Broccoli, asparagus, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, artichokes, greens like kale and spinach, and mushrooms are all high in protein per calorie, with lots of filling fiber that should help you feel more satisfied, plus you can eat a lot and stay within your calorie goal.
Steam, saute in a nonstick pan with a tablespoon or two of fat-free vegetable broth, or roast without oil. Experiment with salt and pepper, spices, and lemon juice for flavor. Nutritional yeast is a great topping for veg, vegan and low in fat (1g in 16g of nooch, which is a lot if you're just sprinkling it on your veg).
Good luck getting this taken care of, that's a total bummer!0 -
get the frigger hauled out.0
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Having you tried cutting sugar out of your diet instead of fat or good fats?
I’m not a health professional but I’ve been doing a lot of research lately about the “Fat Free” vs “Sugar free” theories and this is what i have concluded. Our bodies are designed to metabolise fat, carbs and protein. We have an internal calorie counter that tells us when we have had enough by the brain sending out a “I feel full” feeling. In looking for info on the different types of sugars, it appears that out of the 3 main sugars ( glucose, Galactose and Fructose) Fructose is the one that doesn’t register with this internal calorie counter and our bodies are not designed to metabolise it. As our bodies don’t detect it when we do eat it, we have to eat a whole stack of it just to feel full. Which a lot of us do ! Hence the reason why fruit juice is more fattening then full milk if you were to drink the amount to feel full for each of them. Sounds crazy right?! To add to this, unlike fat where our bodies can break this down and have a use for it , fructose turns straight into fatty acids ( which will affect your gall bladder) and this is what’s adding to our hips and worse gathering in blood stream and eventually clogging our arteries.
Years ago the Diabetics foundations insisted on diabetics eating fructose. However, in the last few years they have recalled this advise becuase of the other affects it has on the body, being instantly turning in to fatty acids ( before even glucose as a chance to react in the body) and going into the blood stream as fat rather then sugar, hense the reason it doesnt spike blood sugar levels. Sneaky little buggers !!!
As I said, I’m not a health expert but found this very interesting :P
Fats are what set off gall stone attacks. Sometimes spicy food, as well. That is why she is going low fat.
Yeah absoutly, but Fructose turns straigt into fatty acids too, so wouldnt it make sense to cut that out then?
Fructose never set off a gall stone attack for me. Maybe it's different for other people...I don't know. Spicy foods did not bother me, either, and I know it is a trigger for some people's gall bladder. I ate plenty of fruit when I was dealing with gall stones. Low fat was the only thing that kept them at bay.0 -
Having you tried cutting sugar out of your diet instead of fat or good fats?
I’m not a health professional but I’ve been doing a lot of research lately about the “Fat Free” vs “Sugar free” theories and this is what i have concluded. Our bodies are designed to metabolise fat, carbs and protein. We have an internal calorie counter that tells us when we have had enough by the brain sending out a “I feel full” feeling. In looking for info on the different types of sugars, it appears that out of the 3 main sugars ( glucose, Galactose and Fructose) Fructose is the one that doesn’t register with this internal calorie counter and our bodies are not designed to metabolise it. As our bodies don’t detect it when we do eat it, we have to eat a whole stack of it just to feel full. Which a lot of us do ! Hence the reason why fruit juice is more fattening then full milk if you were to drink the amount to feel full for each of them. Sounds crazy right?! To add to this, unlike fat where our bodies can break this down and have a use for it , fructose turns straight into fatty acids ( which will affect your gall bladder) and this is what’s adding to our hips and worse gathering in blood stream and eventually clogging our arteries.
Years ago the Diabetics foundations insisted on diabetics eating fructose. However, in the last few years they have recalled this advise becuase of the other affects it has on the body, being instantly turning in to fatty acids ( before even glucose as a chance to react in the body) and going into the blood stream as fat rather then sugar, hense the reason it doesnt spike blood sugar levels. Sneaky little buggers !!!
As I said, I’m not a health expert but found this very interesting :P
Fats are what set off gall stone attacks. Sometimes spicy food, as well. That is why she is going low fat.
Yeah absoutly, but Fructose turns straigt into fatty acids too, so wouldnt it make sense to cut that out then?
Fructose never set off a gall stone attack for me. Maybe it's different for other people...I don't know. Spicy foods did not bother me, either, and I know it is a trigger for some people's gall bladder. I ate plenty of fruit when I was dealing with gall stones. Low fat was the only thing that kept them at bay.
I'm fairly sure sugars wouldn't be an issue, because their relatively simple for your body to digest. Its the fats that require more bile to break down, so when you eat the fats, the extra bile that's stored in the gallbladder is pushed out as the gallbladder contracts. If there's a stone in there, it plugs the passageway which causes the pain.
I certainly wouldn't be focused on the low fat aspect if I didn't have this issue, and I'm uncomfortable with all the carbs I'm consuming, but for now it seems like the only way to be pain free.0 -
Your best bet is probably lots and lots of fresh vegetables.
Broccoli, asparagus, cauliflower, brussel sprouts, artichokes, greens like kale and spinach, and mushrooms are all high in protein per calorie, with lots of filling fiber that should help you feel more satisfied, plus you can eat a lot and stay within your calorie goal.
Steam, saute in a nonstick pan with a tablespoon or two of fat-free vegetable broth, or roast without oil. Experiment with salt and pepper, spices, and lemon juice for flavor. Nutritional yeast is a great topping for veg, vegan and low in fat (1g in 16g of nooch, which is a lot if you're just sprinkling it on your veg).
Good luck getting this taken care of, that's a total bummer!
I'm trying to eat lots of veggies, but even that's hard. Even spinach has some fat in it (not much, but it contributed to my attack today). I didn't know that mushrooms were a source of protein. I don't like them much, but that might be the next thing I try since split peas (which I paired with spinach) have a bit of fat too. It's hard too, cause I can't do anything to appease the cravings. Typically, before I knew this was an issue, I could indulge a bit as long as it was in moderation. It seriously bums me out to think about eating nothing but veggies!0 -
You have to consume essential fats.
Of course, but if I eat any fat (anything about 5g a day so far) I'm in severe pain which lasts 3-6 hours without pain killers (and those often don't work). Not to mention the hours of sleep I lose.
I'm not trying to advocate for a fat free diet and I'm sure it's not healthy, but for the time being it is necessary for me. Just trying to get tips on how to eat as healthy as I can without eating the fats.0 -
Make it simple, have it removed.
Let me add...you still need to change your diet to lower fat/cholesterol meals...or you may need to invest in Charmin.
Before I knew that this was gallstone pain I was still eating fewer fats than were recommended. I'm vegan, so most of the fats were the "good fats" and I wasn't consuming any cholesterol. I don't think I necessarily needed to change my diet in this way (carbs were always a bigger issue for me)if it weren't for my gallstones, which were probably mostly a genetic issue, since my mother and aunt both had to have theirs removed in their 20s, and this has been an issue since I was 18.0 -
My liver enzymes were high due to gallstones also, but only when I had the attack that sent me to the ER. Prior to that, my enzymes were normal (or at least not notably high). The reason they were high when I went in was because a stone was blocking a bile duct.
I had known that I had gallstones for several months, but what the surgeon found out when he removed the bladder was that it had likely been bad for several years. It had actually fused to my liver, and he said it was the worst looking gall bladder he had ever removed.
I lost a lot of weight fast when I was avoiding fats, because I was eating very little food. So, I don't have much advice on diet, but thought I'd give you a bit of encouragement about your liver. The enzyme level certainly can be attributed to the gall stones. Let's hope so! Levels went back to normal after I had the bladder and stone removed.
I'm hoping that's the cause. It was really scary when I knew I had the enzymes but didn't know I had a gallbladder issue. Now I'm hoping that one is the cause of the other. It's just frustrating at this point because the surgeon won't just remove the gallbladder and see if that helps the enzymes. He wants to see if a specialist wants a liver biopsy while I'm having the surgery. That means long delays (wait times in Northern Canada are crazy). On the bright side (or maybe not) the enzymes are going down.0 -
I think you need to talk to your doctor and setup an appointment with a dietician that specializes in this issue. No one here is going to be able to give you the help you need.0
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Have you looked at Forks Over Knives or Engine 2 recipes? They are vegan but they don't use oil in anything either so everything is low fat. Happy Herbivore has a lot of fat free options too. What about things like pea soup, lentils in crockpot? I am eating quinoa right now with some spinach, zucchini, tomato, and onion and spices....no fat (but I do eat a lot of fat, I am vegan too but I have nuts, avocado, and coconut oil a lot.) I realize that with your gall bladder issues that you can't though. Hope you can get that surgery soon!0
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