What is up with all the 1200 kcal/day haters?
AnnaMC1977
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Why do people hate on those of us who are on this plan? Don't they realize that not everyone is the same height/body type and eating 2000 kal/day would cause some of us shorties to gain weight? If you're 5'7 and large framed, you will be allowed more calories than if you are 5'2. and small framed. I've even tried eating more calores...along with lots of exercise, but have always ended up gaining on more calories.
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I don't think everyone agrees that 1200 cal/day is a bad thing. It does depend on your size and activity how much you need to maintain good health and get the necessary nutrients. 1200 cal is what is recommended for me to lose weight, but I refuse to do that little because I get too hungry, then feel abused, then get mad and eat to "get back at it." Doesn't work so well like that. So, I set my intake at 1400. I lose more slowly, but I don't feel like I'm suffering while I do it.0
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Dead horse. I think it was beaten to death.0
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People just think their way of doing things is the only way. I'm rather tall and I net 1200-1400. It's working for me. When it stops, I'll do something else.0
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Dead horse. I think it was beaten to death.
Tasted good. Not sure how many calories to log, however.0 -
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Calories 120 Sodium 100 mg
Total Fat 4 g Potassium 0 mg
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Your welcome
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We don't hate you, we want to help you.0
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People just think their way of doing things is the only way. I'm rather tall and I net 1200-1400. It's working for me. When it stops, I'll do something else.
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Agreed!
I am tall as well and stay under the "kill zone" calorie limits.
Size has less to do with it than your metabolism.0 -
I think it's because MFP sets almost everyone up at 1200 cals when you say you'd like to lose 2lbs/week
Kind of strange that it plugs the same number in for people who are different height, weight, etc.
So my thought is a lot of people just assume that it's that generic 2lb/week number -trying to lose the most allowed weight the fasted- and don't take them seriously.
Who knows. Just my thoughts. Meh.
No worries. Do what works for you and what anyone says doesn't matter.0 -
I do the 1200 cal unless it goes up because of any exercise I've logged, and I don't give a flying goat what other people think about it. I also ride a desk 8 - 10 hrs a day for now.
If I start to be able to afford a gym membership and can do the sculpting/weight training I'd love to do, I'll consume more calories. Or else I imagine I won't feel very well after long.
Everyone's got their thing. *shrugs* haters/gonna/hate0 -
It's one of the goals of MFP to discourage eating disorders, so there's a minimum calorie net set for everyone that is still low enough that nearly everyone using the app would still lose weight using.0
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There is always going to be someone who falls outside of the "average" range, and you're one of them.
1200 is way too low for an average tall or heavy person who exercises. It's just not enough fuel, and you end up losing muscle mass and blah blah blah. People say it because it's true. You might be an exception, I have no way of knowing.
If you're short, and don't exercise 1200 isn't going to kill you. You will have a harder time building muscle though, and getting in proper micro nutrients will be a struggle.
I say this from experience as a really light, 5'1" woman with a small frame. I'm so far outside of average that these generic rules don't really apply to me the way they would for someone of average height and weight. I CAN eat 1600-1800 cals a day for maintenance though, which is pretty sweet. Yay exercise.
PS: If you don't want people to "hate on you" for the plan you have chosen, don't post about it in the general forum. Problem solved. Look for compatriots in the "shorties threads"0 -
Maybe it's because if I am on the forums, I am on the "chit-chat" board, but while people say it's been beaten to death, I have seen little evidence of anyone hating someone just for a 1200 calorie plan.
but, it obviously exists. as to why, I have no answer.0 -
Well I am not a hater of a 1200 calorie plan, I do think too many people jump to it trying to drop weight quickly and then are discouraged when the weight loss stops. Although this has been discussed over and over, obviously some people still don't understand, or they would not continue to believe that starvation = sustainable weight loss.
For nutrition's sake, the lower limit of calories women should consume in a day is 1,200. Below this amount, you should be under a doctor's supervision, according to the Harvard health publication "HEALTHbeat."0 -
I don't hate the person on the 1200 calorie plan. I hate the 1200 calorie plan (at least as a starting point).
I would much rather people try the 2000ish calorie plan for a few months first, then when positive results diminish, switch to the 1800 calorie plan until results diminish, then 1600 calorie, etc. My problem with the 1200 calorie plan is that when you inevitably hit a plateau, then what? Where do you adjust from there? Another problem is, I think it creates too much of a calorie deficit too soon which can lead to too little energy, and too much hunger which leads to all kinds of less than optimal decisions...that, and it tends to make people stabby.
Have people found long-term success using the 1200 calorie plan from the beginning? Absolutely. I'm just not convinced that it's optimal...and when I share my opinion with others, it isn't because I hate them.
(More likely conclusion: my insistence on sharing my opinions on the MFP forums is a better indicator that I hate myself than it is that I hate other people.)0 -
I set my goal at 1200 but it's just an estimate. I up my calories with what I burn off so basically it just depends on what kind of day I'm having. Some days I feel like eating more and some days I don't. Well, that's actually a crock, some days I just show a little more will power.
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This is where I loose best 5ft 1inch tall 229.6lbs. I eat a lot of veggies and natural foods have a hard time hitting 1200 day!!! Add me as friend I will support you!0
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It personally doesn't bother me, but I think a reason it bothers some people is that there are multiple posts everyday of people whining about not having enough calories, being tired and cranky, trying to figure out how to eat more food to fit their calories, and when someone suggests perhaps upping their calories they have 100 people suddenly defending themselves and that eating plan.0
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I don't hate the person on the 1200 calorie plan. I hate the 1200 calorie plan (at least as a starting point).
I would much rather people try the 2000ish calorie plan for a few months first, then when positive results diminish, switch to the 1800 calorie plan until results diminish, then 1600 calorie, etc. My problem with the 1200 calorie plan is that when you inevitably hit a plateau, then what? Where do you adjust from there? Another problem is, I think it creates too much of a calorie deficit too soon which can lead to too little energy, and too much hunger which leads to all kinds of less than optimal decisions...that, and it tends to make people stabby.
Have people found long-term success using the 1200 calorie plan from the beginning? Absolutely. I'm just not convinced that it's optimal...and when I share my opinion with others, it isn't because I hate them.
(More likely conclusion: my insistence on sharing my opinions on the MFP forums is a better indicator that I hate myself than it is that I hate other people.)
Every word of this.
Starting at 1200 is like using a sledgehammer to swat a fly.0 -
I really dont think people should be hating on 1200 Go look up impatient dieter on youtube she ate 1200 calories. with meal replacement shakes and 2 normal healthy meals. she lost so much weight and looks great ... so dont judge kay.0
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Because:
A: People here have no clue what their actual TDEE is. Without knowing it, establishing a deficit is rather naive and unadvised.
B: They don't realize the deficit recommended depends on how much fat mass one has vs how much they wish to lose.
Due to the existence of both factors, people are choosing a deficit that isn't suitable for them.0 -
I think it's because MFP sets almost everyone up at 1200 cals when you say you'd like to lose 2lbs/week
Kind of strange that it plugs the same number in for people who are different height, weight, etc.
So my thought is a lot of people just assume that it's that generic 2lb/week number -trying to lose the most allowed weight the fasted- and don't take them seriously.
Who knows. Just my thoughts. Meh.
No worries. Do what works for you and what anyone says doesn't matter.
MFP is set up to not go below 1200. So anyone who chooses a goal that is higher than recommended, it will usually put them at or lower 1200 so MFP assigns 1200.
2lbs a week is an appropriate goal for someone with more weight to lose, eg ove 50lbs. For those looking to lose less, a more conservative goal is recommended. That will usually keep people over 1200.
So it's user error, not a generic number.
Also keep on mind that MFP also recommends eating back exercise so even of you choose a goal of 1200, you will likely eat more than that of you follow MFP and exercise.
I am not a "hater" but would likely be accused of being one. Yes, 1200 is appropriate for some people. But for a lot it is low.
My problem is when it is chosen without regard for what is healthiest. My other problem is when people choose 1200 and struggle with it. If you can survive on 1200, great. But if you can't, there is no reason why you should suffer. Most could eat more calories and still lose weight. A lot of people burn and crash because they can't maintain 1200 when it isn't necessary ( and yes, like someone else pointed out, many do just fine too).
My biggest issue is that if you immediately restrict your calories to 1200, and you hit a plateau you have little room to drop down in calories.
I guess I am just a big believe in fueling your body and eating. 1200 calories for many people, especially active people just doesn't do that. For me, this is about health, not the scale. But that is just my view.
TL;dr - what jofjltncb6, geeky jock and Lorina said. Only they said it much better.0 -
ikr?....im with 1200 and have been losing without a problem, and yes , im a shorty, no way ill eat more than that.0
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