Low Carb vs Low Fat?
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Do what works for you. Study up if you want to make your own informed decision.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov - there are dozens of positive studies about LC. From metabolic advantages, treatment of diabetes 2 and metabolic syndrome, positive effect of cholesterol DESPITE the negativity on mfp. I just hope medical publications can be accepted as possibly being correct.
Even you anti low carbers. Take a look. You might be surprised.0 -
Do what works for you. Study up if you want to make your own informed decision.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov - there are dozens of positive studies about LC. From metabolic advantages, treatment of diabetes 2 and metabolic syndrome, positive effect of cholesterol DESPITE the negativity on mfp. I just hope medical publications can be accepted as possibly being correct.
Even you anti low carbers. Take a look. You might be surprised.
Thanks so much hun! I do have type 2 diabetes in my family, so I am definitely trying to be healthy for that reason as well
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Do what works for you. Study up if you want to make your own informed decision.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov - there are dozens of positive studies about LC. From metabolic advantages, treatment of diabetes 2 and metabolic syndrome, positive effect of cholesterol DESPITE the negativity on mfp. I just hope medical publications can be accepted as possibly being correct.
Even you anti low carbers. Take a look. You might be surprised.
As you're reading these though keep in mind of what circumstances they're based on. Many studies that prove one thing can be used to prove the opposite. It just takes one variable to be added or something else to be changed. Same goes for the negative ones. I can't help but think the negative effects on women when doing IF is due to something else...like the fact they cut their calories to low...or their diet...or something unrelated to the timing window. I say this as a person who use to pass out if I didn't eat breakfast. Then this year suddenly I stopped feeling dizzy...after a lot of diet changes. And then I added more protein to every meal and I just never felt dizzy anymore...and then I stopped having breakfast and never passed out lol.
It's like me saying adding protein will fix everyones dizzyness problems....it could fix some I'm sure...but the amount of other variables involved like what else I was absorbing/eating etc surely had an effect as well. All the things have to add up...Always ask questions and look at the other side
....so for example when you start getting into studies saying raspberry ketoenes make you lose weight...Start looking for missing premises. Did they include everything?
You're not a rat.
You're diet is not one of a rat.
Your metabolism is not like a rat.
You are likely free to move from room to room and do not have to be sedentary like some of the rats in these tests which may or may not be mentioned.
If you are obese, your plan is not to stay obese
Any of these variables have the ability to change the outcome.....and so raspberry ketoenes become over priced garbage.0 -
Just finished a great book. Why We Get Fat and what to do about it: Gary Taubes. Gives a lot of evidence for low carb/paleo style diet. So far low carb has worked for me and I feel a lot better in general and still eat quite a bit.0
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Do what works for you. Study up if you want to make your own informed decision.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov - there are dozens of positive studies about LC. From metabolic advantages, treatment of diabetes 2 and metabolic syndrome, positive effect of cholesterol DESPITE the negativity on mfp. I just hope medical publications can be accepted as possibly being correct.
Even you anti low carbers. Take a look. You might be surprised.
I have no issue with people who want to low carb, but how about you provide links to actual studies that show a metabolic advantage to low carb dieting when calories and protein are held constant?0 -
Question... If what you are doing is working, why do you want to change it?
I guess I am impatient and want faster results.. even though that wouldn't be healthy because I'm already losing what's recommended.. So I guess what I'm trying to say is I'm a nerd and need to stop being impatient.. haha but I am just curious. Also, I love love love fruits, but they tend to be high in carbs..
You're not gonna get any faster than low carb. That's how I got my results in 10 months.0 -
If it works for you - keep doin it. Add in a solid workout plan and your golden. By the way 100 lbs kept off for 2 years and happily sustaining a clean no 'simple' carb diet. Complex carbs taken in moderation. - Not all carbs are equal.0
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Do what works for you. Study up if you want to make your own informed decision.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov - there are dozens of positive studies about LC. From metabolic advantages, treatment of diabetes 2 and metabolic syndrome, positive effect of cholesterol DESPITE the negativity on mfp. I just hope medical publications can be accepted as possibly being correct.
Even you anti low carbers. Take a look. You might be surprised.
Could you link the actual studies that show the metabolic advantages.0 -
Just finished a great book. Why We Get Fat and what to do about it: Gary Taubes. Gives a lot of evidence for low carb/paleo style diet. So far low carb has worked for me and I feel a lot better in general and still eat quite a bit.
Could you cite the actual evidence shown in peer reviewed studies.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22735432I have no issue with people who want to low carb, but how about you provide links to actual studies that show a metabolic advantage to low carb dieting when calories and protein are held constant?
CONCLUSION:
Among overweight and obese young adults compared with pre-weight-loss energy expenditure, isocaloric feeding following 10% to 15% weight loss resulted in decreases in REE and TEE that were greatest with the low-fat diet, intermediate with the low-glycemic index diet, and least with the very low-carbohydrate diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15598683 (this one is funny, they blame the non low carb group for not reporting properly)
These results confirm that short-term weight loss is greater in obese women on a low-carbohydrate diet than in those on a low-fat diet even when reported food intake is similar. The differential weight loss is not explained by differences in REE, TEF, or physical activity and likely reflects under reporting of food consumption by the low-fat dieters.
Your turn, do your own research. I have 20 of these articles bookmarked. And I don't do rat studies, only human. As fun as it is to throw that around as an argument and all.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22735432I have no issue with people who want to low carb, but how about you provide links to actual studies that show a metabolic advantage to low carb dieting when calories and protein are held constant?
CONCLUSION:
Among overweight and obese young adults compared with pre-weight-loss energy expenditure, isocaloric feeding following 10% to 15% weight loss resulted in decreases in REE and TEE that were greatest with the low-fat diet, intermediate with the low-glycemic index diet, and least with the very low-carbohydrate diet.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15598683 (this one is funny, they blame the non low carb group for not reporting properly)
These results confirm that short-term weight loss is greater in obese women on a low-carbohydrate diet than in those on a low-fat diet even when reported food intake is similar. The differential weight loss is not explained by differences in REE, TEF, or physical activity and likely reflects underreporting of food consumption by the low-fat dieters.
Your turn, do your own research. I have 20 of these articles bookmarked.
Thank you, I'll revisit these. I've done my own research by the way, just for the record, and the majority of it does not show a metaoblic advantage when you examine closely.0 -
I understand, I really just hate the anti carb vitriol. The research is out there. There is nothing wrong with the diet but still the hate flows.
I love that people find a way to be healthier and it doesn't matter what road they choose. But to be made fun of for a valid choice is my issue.
And kick *kitten* arms btw. Hope mine start to look that good in 40 lbs.0 -
I understand, I really just hate the anti carb vitriol. The research is out there. There is nothing wrong with the diet but still the hate flows.
I love that people find a way to be healthier and it doesn't matter what road they choose. But to be made fun of for a valid choice is my issue.
If anyone is literally "making fun" of you for eating low carb and trying to be healtheir then they've got issues. Not being obese will improve your health whether you paleo, or low carb, or IIFYM of whatever the hell path you choose.
That being said I do still believe there is merit to discussing method and I also believe that misinformation, on any side of things, isn't good.0 -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22735432I have no issue with people who want to low carb, but how about you provide links to actual studies that show a metabolic advantage to low carb dieting when calories and protein are held constant?
The above is interesting but protein intake on the low CHO diet is significantly higher than the other two treatments. For others reading this who may be part of Alan's research review, he does a thorough analysis of this in the May 2012 issue of AARR.0 -
I've been (really) low carb for 6 months and it's been great for resetting my appetite and 'sweet tooth'.
I did my first 3 months on MFP on Low Fat and really struggled, probably due to my metabolism being out of whack and being hungry all the time.
Despite really wanting to believe otherwise, I can't see a significant metabolic advantage in continuing to low carb as I move into maintenance.
So I'm moving to a more 'balanced' plan for variety but will still focus on whole foods and keeping the processed stuff and sugars low.
I guess I see it as being 'carb aware' now.0 -
Question... If what you are doing is working, why do you want to change it?
^^^^This! Faster isn't better and changing methods won't nessesarily get you faster weight loss.0 -
fat is an essential nutrient
carbohydrate is not
people lose weight an all sorts of diets, just by eating less calories.
take that fwiw
^^^ And this. There is a lot of middle ground between low carb and low fat. First low fat can have some negative heatlh consequences because as Wellbert days, it is an essential nutrient. Low carb is a viable methodology if you are good with the restictiveness. Some are, some aren't. Or you could just set reasonable calorie goals and set your macro with the priority on protien then fats then carbs with whats left. Multiple roads will take you there. Probably not muchg faster but speed would not be mmy priority if I were you.0 -
Have you ever seen a thin person who follows a low fat diet? Low carb is the way to go!!0
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If you don't have any issues with Cholesterol then, in the short term, it should not be too much of a problem. It might be better if you switch some of the protein to beans and lentils, lower in fat and high in protein, but there are more carbs than meat. The fiber helps off set that as well thou. If you have insurance and access to a dietician, you might consider a consultation. The ones I've gone to have help tremendously.
My goal breakdown for Protein/Carbs/Fat is 40/40/20. I don't always make it to the 20% goal for fat, but that's okay.
Also, adding healthy fats to the diet, like olive oil in salad dressings, help keep your skin soft, and has other benefits.
Good Luck!0 -
Calories in Calories out right! Do what works for you ... but I'm going to keep an eye on this post it's gonna get crazy
Sorry, it is not as simple as calories in, calories out. If it were, I would have never gained weight in the first place.
OP: unless you are eating a lot of canola oil and other vegetable / seed oils the fat is not unhealthy.
Saturated and Monosaturated fats are natural occurring and do NOT contribute to heart disease or high cholesterol. The whole low fat myth was an outright lie and the data was cherry picked to support their theory to lead up to what we see today. Major health issues and obesity. This didn't happen on accident with our society.
So the laws of thermodynamics do not apply to you?
<Sigh>
As quoted by a health professional:"As a health professional, I owe it to you to give you the truth! (and, unfortunately, I am finding that the “mainstream” media isn’t helping!)
And the truth is this… basing weight loss, let alone good health, on the “Calorie In/Calorie Out” Myth supposedly explained by the “Law of Thermodynamics” is just plain WRONG!
I mean, it is beyond wrong, it is IDIOTIC! And, it is DANGEROUS."
Trying to use the “Laws of Thermodynamics” to explain human biological functions is pure folly. Scientific laws only apply to laboratory situations where variables are controlled and systems are closed off from all other systems.
The human body is NOT a closed system and our lives DO NOT take place in laboratories. To put it simply, calories are units of heat, not measures of potency.
ALSO…
When it comes to attaining optimal health and weight loss, there are a number of variables that are just NOT the same from person to person.
Remember, we are not inanimate objects and we are not living in a closed system.
Here is a short list of examples of the variables that create challenges for the “calorie in/calorie out” myth:
First, we are each unique. You may have heard this called; biochemical individuality.
NATURE
■Genetics
What is your ancestry? Are you from a cold climate or warm climate? How does your body handle starchy carbohydrates? How does your body handle fatty proteins? How do you do with the sun? Etc. Etc. Etc.
Secondly, physiologically, how have we handled our environment and time.
NURTURE
■Sleep (Are you allowing your body to recover?)
■Toxins (Tobacco, Alcohol, Sugar, Artificial Sweeteners)
■Food Sensitivities (Gluten, Soy, Dairy, etc.)
■Medications (Over The Counter, Prescription)
■Stress (Chronic and Acute)
■Quality of Health (Recent Illnesses, Immune System Health, Degenerative Disease, etc.)
■Hormonal Health (Insulin, Cortisol, Glucagon, Leptin, etc.)
■Age (Menopause, Andropause, Accelerated Aging)
■Past Caloric Restriction History (Dieting, Bulimia, Anorexia, etc.)
You starting to get the point?
Because of this: A Calorie is NOT a Calorie!
To put all of the onus on the individual of losing or gaining weight because of the “Law of Thermodynamics” just doesn’t hold up. Your health and fitness expert may think they sound smart by pushing the “calorie in/calorie out” hogwash on you, but to me, it is just a sign of ignorance and laziness.
This ignorance and laziness concerning the “calorie in/calorie out” myth has only gotten worse with all of the “weight loss” reality shows. TRUST ME.
It is an utter embarrassment that personal trainers are simplifying weight loss down to creating a caloric deficit by starving their clients and training them like animals!
What ever happened to Safe? Effective? Long Term? Sustainable? I don’t know either.
But as you can see, if the trainer’s client isn’t successful, the failure is all on the client for not complying. Not on the trainer for being open to a slowed metabolism or improper diet/workout routine. NICE.
So, there you have it, a couple more reasons whyt “The Healthy Omnivore” has some real issues/challenges with the “Calorie In/Calorie Out” Myth.
Thanks for reading the first post of three concerning attaining optimal health and proper weight loss vs. The “Calorie In/Calorie Out” Myth.
If you have any questions or comments on the “Law of Thermodynamics” and/or the “Calorie In/Calorie Out” Myth, I would love to read them.0 -
Moderation = excuse
This sentiment = dumb0 -
Calories in Calories out right! Do what works for you ... but I'm going to keep an eye on this post it's gonna get crazy
Sorry, it is not as simple as calories in, calories out. If it were, I would have never gained weight in the first place.
OP: unless you are eating a lot of canola oil and other vegetable / seed oils the fat is not unhealthy.
Saturated and Monosaturated fats are natural occurring and do NOT contribute to heart disease or high cholesterol. The whole low fat myth was an outright lie and the data was cherry picked to support their theory to lead up to what we see today. Major health issues and obesity. This didn't happen on accident with our society.
So the laws of thermodynamics do not apply to you?
<Sigh>
As quoted by a health professional:"As a health professional, I owe it to you to give you the truth! (and, unfortunately, I am finding that the “mainstream” media isn’t helping!)
And the truth is this… basing weight loss, let alone good health, on the “Calorie In/Calorie Out” Myth supposedly explained by the “Law of Thermodynamics” is just plain WRONG!
I mean, it is beyond wrong, it is IDIOTIC! And, it is DANGEROUS."
Trying to use the “Laws of Thermodynamics” to explain human biological functions is pure folly. Scientific laws only apply to laboratory situations where variables are controlled and systems are closed off from all other systems.
The human body is NOT a closed system and our lives DO NOT take place in laboratories. To put it simply, calories are units of heat, not measures of potency.
ALSO…
When it comes to attaining optimal health and weight loss, there are a number of variables that are just NOT the same from person to person.
Remember, we are not inanimate objects and we are not living in a closed system.
Here is a short list of examples of the variables that create challenges for the “calorie in/calorie out” myth:
First, we are each unique. You may have heard this called; biochemical individuality.
NATURE
■Genetics
What is your ancestry? Are you from a cold climate or warm climate? How does your body handle starchy carbohydrates? How does your body handle fatty proteins? How do you do with the sun? Etc. Etc. Etc.
Secondly, physiologically, how have we handled our environment and time.
NURTURE
■Sleep (Are you allowing your body to recover?)
■Toxins (Tobacco, Alcohol, Sugar, Artificial Sweeteners)
■Food Sensitivities (Gluten, Soy, Dairy, etc.)
■Medications (Over The Counter, Prescription)
■Stress (Chronic and Acute)
■Quality of Health (Recent Illnesses, Immune System Health, Degenerative Disease, etc.)
■Hormonal Health (Insulin, Cortisol, Glucagon, Leptin, etc.)
■Age (Menopause, Andropause, Accelerated Aging)
■Past Caloric Restriction History (Dieting, Bulimia, Anorexia, etc.)
You starting to get the point?
Because of this: A Calorie is NOT a Calorie!
To put all of the onus on the individual of losing or gaining weight because of the “Law of Thermodynamics” just doesn’t hold up. Your health and fitness expert may think they sound smart by pushing the “calorie in/calorie out” hogwash on you, but to me, it is just a sign of ignorance and laziness.
This ignorance and laziness concerning the “calorie in/calorie out” myth has only gotten worse with all of the “weight loss” reality shows. TRUST ME.
It is an utter embarrassment that personal trainers are simplifying weight loss down to creating a caloric deficit by starving their clients and training them like animals!
What ever happened to Safe? Effective? Long Term? Sustainable? I don’t know either.
But as you can see, if the trainer’s client isn’t successful, the failure is all on the client for not complying. Not on the trainer for being open to a slowed metabolism or improper diet/workout routine. NICE.
So, there you have it, a couple more reasons whyt “The Healthy Omnivore” has some real issues/challenges with the “Calorie In/Calorie Out” Myth.
Thanks for reading the first post of three concerning attaining optimal health and proper weight loss vs. The “Calorie In/Calorie Out” Myth.
If you have any questions or comments on the “Law of Thermodynamics” and/or the “Calorie In/Calorie Out” Myth, I would love to read them.
And who might this "health professional" be?0 -
Have you ever seen a thin person who follows a low fat diet? Low carb is the way to go!!
Yes I have and their skin is dry, flaky and the texture is awful. Low fat eaters tend to have more wrinkles and look older too.0 -
Low carb is about stable blood sugar and insulin. Fats can be healthy, if you choose the right ones. Some Vitamins are more easily absorbed in higher fat foods.0
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Calories in Calories out right! Do what works for you ... but I'm going to keep an eye on this post it's gonna get crazy
Sorry, it is not as simple as calories in, calories out. If it were, I would have never gained weight in the first place.
OP: unless you are eating a lot of canola oil and other vegetable / seed oils the fat is not unhealthy.
Saturated and Monosaturated fats are natural occurring and do NOT contribute to heart disease or high cholesterol. The whole low fat myth was an outright lie and the data was cherry picked to support their theory to lead up to what we see today. Major health issues and obesity. This didn't happen on accident with our society.
So the laws of thermodynamics do not apply to you?
<Sigh>
As quoted by a health professional:"As a health professional, I owe it to you to give you the truth! (and, unfortunately, I am finding that the “mainstream” media isn’t helping!)
And the truth is this… basing weight loss, let alone good health, on the “Calorie In/Calorie Out” Myth supposedly explained by the “Law of Thermodynamics” is just plain WRONG!
I mean, it is beyond wrong, it is IDIOTIC! And, it is DANGEROUS."
Trying to use the “Laws of Thermodynamics” to explain human biological functions is pure folly. Scientific laws only apply to laboratory situations where variables are controlled and systems are closed off from all other systems.
The human body is NOT a closed system and our lives DO NOT take place in laboratories. To put it simply, calories are units of heat, not measures of potency.
ALSO…
When it comes to attaining optimal health and weight loss, there are a number of variables that are just NOT the same from person to person.
Remember, we are not inanimate objects and we are not living in a closed system.
Here is a short list of examples of the variables that create challenges for the “calorie in/calorie out” myth:
First, we are each unique. You may have heard this called; biochemical individuality.
NATURE
■Genetics
What is your ancestry? Are you from a cold climate or warm climate? How does your body handle starchy carbohydrates? How does your body handle fatty proteins? How do you do with the sun? Etc. Etc. Etc.
Secondly, physiologically, how have we handled our environment and time.
NURTURE
■Sleep (Are you allowing your body to recover?)
■Toxins (Tobacco, Alcohol, Sugar, Artificial Sweeteners)
■Food Sensitivities (Gluten, Soy, Dairy, etc.)
■Medications (Over The Counter, Prescription)
■Stress (Chronic and Acute)
■Quality of Health (Recent Illnesses, Immune System Health, Degenerative Disease, etc.)
■Hormonal Health (Insulin, Cortisol, Glucagon, Leptin, etc.)
■Age (Menopause, Andropause, Accelerated Aging)
■Past Caloric Restriction History (Dieting, Bulimia, Anorexia, etc.)
You starting to get the point?
Because of this: A Calorie is NOT a Calorie!
To put all of the onus on the individual of losing or gaining weight because of the “Law of Thermodynamics” just doesn’t hold up. Your health and fitness expert may think they sound smart by pushing the “calorie in/calorie out” hogwash on you, but to me, it is just a sign of ignorance and laziness.
This ignorance and laziness concerning the “calorie in/calorie out” myth has only gotten worse with all of the “weight loss” reality shows. TRUST ME.
It is an utter embarrassment that personal trainers are simplifying weight loss down to creating a caloric deficit by starving their clients and training them like animals!
What ever happened to Safe? Effective? Long Term? Sustainable? I don’t know either.
But as you can see, if the trainer’s client isn’t successful, the failure is all on the client for not complying. Not on the trainer for being open to a slowed metabolism or improper diet/workout routine. NICE.
So, there you have it, a couple more reasons whyt “The Healthy Omnivore” has some real issues/challenges with the “Calorie In/Calorie Out” Myth.
Thanks for reading the first post of three concerning attaining optimal health and proper weight loss vs. The “Calorie In/Calorie Out” Myth.
If you have any questions or comments on the “Law of Thermodynamics” and/or the “Calorie In/Calorie Out” Myth, I would love to read them.
*sigh* - see, I can do it too....
Please could you let us know who this 'health professional' is? You are using a random person's rant with no citations or even explanations to speak of to try to support the fact that the law of thermodynamics does not work........
ETA - none of the examples negates the law of thermodynamics by the way - they explain why one of the variables may be different (energy out) - but its still energy out less energy in.0 -
Moderation = excuse
excuse for what exactly?0 -
Thanks for all of the amazing feedback guys! I am a VERY extreme/all or nothing person.. If you tell me I can have "some" pasta, I will eat all of it.. lol So for me, it's very important to set rules and boundaries and not allow myself to have "everything I want". Its not that I think I'm "different" physically or biologically, it's that I know my strength and weaknesses mentally and emotionally and the whole everything in moderation thing does NOT work for me.. I wish it did! hehe
OP, I was just wondering if you have tried to figure out why you are like this? It's all well and good to use a restrictive 'diet' to loes weight, but it's not going to last. Eventually you are going to have to go back to real life and that weight will come back on. You may want to give some thought into figuring out what causes you to have to have those types of boundries. Until you discover the root cause of why you have to restrict yourself, you are going to end up yo-yoing for a long time.0 -
So I have been doing a low carb/high protein diet and have gotten some pretty awesome results from it. Recently, I've had a lot of people mention that low fat is "healthier" due to the amount of fats in many meats... Thoughts?
Both low carb and low fat are silly. Carbs and fats are two of the three main nutrients. I prefer a balanced diet with each of the three present at each meal.0 -
Moderation = excuse
An excuse for what?0 -
Have you ever seen a thin person who follows a low fat diet? Low carb is the way to go!!
I've seen MANY thin people eating up the carbs!0
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