OMG ARE THEY SERIOUS????

That's insane. I went to a weight loss clinic once and they put me on a 500 calorie diet. I dropped like 30 pounds in two months. But...guess what happened after I stopped going? I gained it all back of course. I would rather just make a healthy lifestyle change than do fad diets.

That is truely crazy!!! Is she really going to follow this?? If so, tell her to talk to her doctor about it first. These kinds of extreme diets can cause all sorts of health problems. Here's an article I read on CNN a few months back.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/12/15/very.low.calorie.diets/index.html?iref=storysearch

Sounds like Dr. B's diet. Yeah those medical professionals are not at all any kind of respectible nurse you would find in a hospital or anywhere like that im pretty sure those nurses are trained by the Dr. B company no other registered licencing association.

I would obiviously advice against doing this.

Really? I wouldn't trust any diet that told me that I couldn't eat fruits or veggies. What the hell? I mean that's basic nutrition. Since when do weight loss clinics teach you to be anorexic? This is incredibly unhealthy. She should see a licensed dietician, not a loss clinic. My SIL is a dietician and the first thing she told me when I was eating about 1000 calories a day at the beginning of this was EAT MORE.

This should be criminal to offer as medical advice.

That sounds extreme. Nothing but protein for 2-4 days, she must have just about died of hunger, poor thing.

What about exercise? Is she doing any exercise? She must be dying.

I am eating something similar to the maintenance, but a little different.

I eat every 3 hours for 5 meals a day. I eat approx 25g of protein [4ishoz] each meal with 1C of veggies. No fruit. I get 1/2C carbs at bfast and lunch and 2 times for dinner a week. I have a list of carbs, proteins, and veggies I can eat. Oh, and 100oz of water a day.

I am struggling with this diet not for the selections but I am hungry all the time, it is getting better the longer I do it. Oh, and I am doing 1hr of cardio a day. I am not sure for how long before I get fruit back, maybe three weeks. Eating every 3 hours is the key to this, you cannot succeed eating like that if you don't eat every 3 hours. Do they have her on a time table for meals?

Congrations to your sister. I can't believe she has made it this far, 50lbs!!!!

i would be sooooooo hungry if i had to do that, i woulda took one look at that and said fu*k this!!!! lol

I agree, ketosis isnt healthy. Not only does it show up in your urine, it shuts down your liver function (thus why it shows up in your urine) as your body breaks down muscle tissue. Funny how they forgot to mention that when they say you absolutely have to hit ketosis.

The part they forgot to tell you was that yeah you lost a lot of weight fast, your sister may have lost 50lbs in 3 months, but of that 50lbs, approximately 25-30% was muscle that was broken down - so 15lbs was lean tissue thats now gone.

Then when you stop dieting like that, you begin to gain weight, and its not muscle that you gain...it's all fat since your body is in starvation mode. So say you gain back those 50lbs (usually you gain back more than what you lost but just as an example), you now actually have 15 pounds more fat on your body than you did when you started...sounds like a great way to keep people coming back to their clinics doesnt it...

OMG!!!! This is insane... I mean ppl will do the diet cause they lose a tremendous amount of weight but its not safe at all!!! Well I hope all goes well with your sister!!!

Years ago, when I was a teenager, there was a place called the Weight Loss Clinic :devil: that put you on a 500-800 calorie diet, gave you vitamins and made you drink lots of water. They failed their clients. Miserably. Went out of business and I believe I heard they got their fake white-coated @sses sued :laugh: . This sounds very similar. I went on it long enough to completely screw up my metabolism . At 16 and 155 lbs., that's the last place I should have been. It was shortly after undergoing that particular diet torture I found I could gain weight eating 1400 calories a day. It was downhill from there.

Thank God I'm older, wiser and no longer desperate to be beautiful. Now it's all about good health and no matter how you slice it, that diet is not healthy. Remember tho', you can't tell a Heinz pickle nuthin'. Everyone has to try their own way. Everyone has to go down their own road. I'm all for self-experimentation. My current rationale involves the firm belief that I have to switch 'survival modes'. In other words, instead of the primal survival centre of my mind thinking I'm in danger of starving [and convincing my conscious mind that I have to eat and conserve energy to survive], I have to convince it, consciously, that the greater risk is not being able to avoid being eaten - I'm trying to get it to believe I must now be able to run...FAST! How? Exercise. Every day. 1700-1800 net calories a day. Down 13 pounds since around Jan 17. Seems to be
working. Search my name on this site - Hollycat - for more details on this theory. Credit for the theory goes to Jon Gabriel.

I also learned a lot from and got a lot out of the Food Lovers Fat Loss System [FLFLS]. Hokey name, good, rational system. I'm following it in general by keeping to the basics, while avoiding getting legalistic about it, and still listen to their CD's and stuff. Logging food is one of the things they recommend most. SO glad I found this site! I've wasted a lot of money over the years on money-making diet schemes and diet centres - Nutrisystem, WW's, Scarsdale, low-carb [although I really liked living la vida low carb - I felt terrific!], books, machines, hypnosis, etc. However, two systems - Jon Gabriel and FLFLS really have something realistic going on. At least, they rang true for me. Anyhoo, I avoid drastic, unsustainable measures. They just made me feel like a failure and since I already erroneously felt like that most of my adult life, because of the extra weight I carry TO SURVIVE, why would I do anything to make myself feel worse and perpetuate the lie?

Hollycat :flowerforyou:

so let me start this off by saying, I HATE THIS DIET. I think it is completely wrong headed and just plain bad news.

BUT

for all of you that are killing ketosis, I disagree.

Let me explain before you go bezerk.

The basic premise of a ver low carbohydrate diet is ketosis, which is DIFFERENT from ketogenisys. You should, before you scream about ketosis, probably look up the difference.

NOW, with that said, ketosis is NOT something you do to lose weight, it's a perfectly valid form of lifestyle management that, if done correctly, is a way to stay healthy for many people who don't have the luxury of high carb diets. I'm not one of them, I can do 50% carbs without issue, but some people (specifically diabetics, people with epilepsy...etc.) can't.

And for the record, ketogenic diets don't hurt the liver per say, there's no proof of that one way or the other, what they do do is make the liver work relatively hard, which is fine if you have a healthy liver, but can be dangerous if you don't. It does put extra stress on the kidneys though, which is something to take note of, and speak to your doctor about.

this all being said, a very low carb diet isn't something you should just decide to do one day, it should be a decision weighed very thoroughly and discussed with family members and your doctor. Because it will completely change your life. For instance, meals are completely changed, the types of exercises you do will change, and you will have to closely monitor your fluid intake and electrolytes as this kind of diet can severely dehydrate you if you aren't careful.

So this means that there are good reasons to go on very low carb, but none of them should include the idea of "losing weight" because that's not what it's designed for, and really, other than water weight and glucose, your really don't lose weight any faster on ketosis than you do on a regular, calorie restrictive diet.

Hey I was one of you guys once, the thought of really low carbs set off giant alarm bells in my head too, but it's not an evil program by design, it's just misrepresented as a weight loss strategy, where it should actually be used as a medical treatment for specific conditions.

THEY ALSO give her packets of pills too. not just shots.. the pills vary from week to week . some of these pills are dangerous and this diet she is on is too.. there is no way she can continue to loose weight health fully on this diet because in the real world it is unrealistic .

wow.

I am really not sure how they can get away with that

Our local weight loss clinic - that's been in business for at least 20+ years - also does the shots and "pill packets" but gives you a VERY low fat/calorie diet to follow. I tried it once and never lost more than 5 lbs. I have friends that go and do very well on it. Of course, I think they're starving themselves and eating nothing but plain grilled chicken and plain brown rice. But who am I to question them? lol

This plan does look like a very drastic Atkin's Diet. It also puts you into ketosis - at least you hope - during/after the first two weeks, or Induction period. And of course, it cuts out all fruits and veggies that are high on the sugar scale or high starches. But even as long as I did that plan, this one is much more strict and sounds rather dangerous to me!