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  • VorJoshigan
    VorJoshigan Posts: 1,106 Member
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    The thing is, the people being targeted don't know that what they have to say won't be appreciated.
    They're just trying to be helpful and share some information, and they get ridiculed for it!
    Shouldn't the members here have some respect for others? Lack of knowledge does not constitute ignorance. New people should be welcomed into the community, not driven out in shame.

    Maybe in future, people could help the people posting understand a bit more, instead of being rude and crushing the new person's self esteem?
    Dude! You just blew my mind! "Lack of knowledge" is the dictionary definition of ignorance. Literally. I double-clicked on "ignorance" and my dictionary widget came back with "Lack of knowledge or information".

    This is a good opportunity to say that involuntary ignorance is nothing to be shamed of. I'm ignorant about a lot of things. You were ignorant of the definition of the word ignorant. Ignorance is perfectly fine unless it is voluntary/ deliberate. If you teach me that the capital of Minnesota is St. Paul, but I continue to tell people that it's Minneapolis, then I'm being deliberately ignorant. I would guess that some of the OP's friends are being deliberately ignorant about micronutrients because they want to eat junky food.

    I agree with some of your other points, but I think people should really read a LOT of forum posts before starting their own threads. I think the OP had good information, but it fell almost entirely on either deaf or previously informed ears.
  • LizzieMdp
    LizzieMdp Posts: 78 Member
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    I understand what you are saying, but I'm going to disagree with it.

    I eat cake. I eat whatever I want in moderation. And I'm still losing weight. Do I try to get plenty of veggies, fruits, lean protein, healthy fats, and whole grains? Yes, of course. But I also eat ice cream, chocolate, restaurant food, etc. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.....and having an all or nothing attitude is what causes most people to be unsuccessful long term.
    Oh! No!! Not everyone has that problem. Lactose and cake and gluten was just an example. I myself heve NO such problems:smile:
    My friends have. So, thought I might tell.
    The above given were just examples.
  • LizzieMdp
    LizzieMdp Posts: 78 Member
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    Lactose and gluten do not cause weight gain unless you eat over your calorie maintenance levels. This thread really is erroneous. Calories matter. For weight loss, calories are the only things that matter. Health is a different story, but for weight loss, it is all about calories. Eat less than you burn, you lose weight. Period.
    I cannot explain one thing again and again. Calorie matters. But nutrients also matter.

    1) I said Calories is not the "ONLY" factor. Ok?

    2)Lactose, gluten, etc are just EXAMPLES.

    3) Moderation is the ONLY key to a good health. But, sometimes, in few people, there is something known as "body's inability to digest it". So, it is called intolerance.
    Few foods cause allergies.
    Many are unaware of this fact. So, I shared.


    I repeat.... This info had EXAMPLES of lactose, gluten, etc.
    NOT everybody has this "intolerance" thing.
    Few people hve suffered.... Which is the ONLY reason for me to post this topic. :smile:
  • LizzieMdp
    LizzieMdp Posts: 78 Member
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    Lactose and gluten do not cause weight gain unless you eat over your calorie maintenance levels and/or are allergic to them. This thread really is erroneous. Calories matter. For weight loss, calories are the only things that matter. Health is a different story, but for weight loss, it is all about calories. Eat less than you burn, you lose weight. Period.

    Fixed!

    The 'weight gain' I experience when I eat my allergens is due entirely to bloating and a body that is freaking out.

    Then, that's not weight gain. That's bloating. Entirely different things.

    And those who don't know this would assume it WAS weight gain. Which is the point. Don't freak out. It's not actual weight gain even if it shows up as such on the scale.

    I've had a lot of experience with this. :) I can balloon 4lbs overnight if I touch my allergens but that 'weight gain' goes away after my body has healed.
    I understood this fact. I meant the same. But, Inch gain.
    Allergens is what I meant. :smile:
  • LizzieMdp
    LizzieMdp Posts: 78 Member
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    Hi :)
    Wanted to ask you people, that do you know, not only calorie counting, but nutrient tracking for your body helps better weight loss.

    For eg: If people with lactose intolerance eat under calorie goal, but, when they consume lactose, their body weight or say inches increases. Y? Coz their body is incapable of digesting lactose...


    The same way, few people get thin even after counting cakes in diet, but others remain fat...

    All this depends on your body's capability to digest any particular nutrient.
    I just wanted to say this to you :)

    Happy weight loss :)

    Your body loses weight in chunks, not linear. I have found that you can do everything right and your weight loss seems to plateau but if you are patient and keep exercising and eating at a deficit (however slight) you will lose it, it will suddenly "whoosh". There are so many variables for the scale; water retention, digestion, hormones, allergies, sodium, carbs, water intake, DOMS, inflammation, the list goes on. People mistakenly think they lose or gain weight when they eat more or less because of these fluctuations.

    Losing weight requires tremendous patience. You will not lose it when you want it or where you want it. The body does its thing. Some apparent plateaus can last a month or so. You cannot make it happen faster. You must focus on two things; calories and exercise. Nothing else matters. Scales and metrics don't matter. The day in and day out grind of exercise and calories are all that matters. It is not very exciting until things fall into place. You get your victories and you ride one victory to the next.

    The scale is a trend tool. The scale is good but put it away and only check once a week and only use it as a trend tool. It will fluctuate, it does not matter. Take front side and back progress pictures at least once a month. You will see differences that the metrics won't tell you and it's that little bit of NSV that will keep you going until the next victory.

    To say eat more is wrong.

    To say eat less is wrong.

    To find the exact calories needed for YOU to be in a healthy sustainable calorie deficit is the right answer. Wait, if you need to adjust by 100 do it, wait, adjust, wait, adjust, wait. The tortoise wins this race.

    All that matters is calories. A healthy balanced diet within a calorie budget for a deficit that is right for YOU is all that matters for weight loss. Don't make it complicated.

    You want to eat as healthy as you can because it makes you feel better and perform better, and makes you healthier. There are a bunch of tricks and clean eating; reducing sugar (especially HFCS), fiber, white flour vs whole grain, low carb, low fat, on and on. All that matters is calories for weight loss. If you need to eat a certain way for health reasons or to feel better do it, but extensive good food and bad food lists will drive you insane at some point, it’s a constantly moving target. Just eat what you like, mostly healthy, mostly balanced, within a calorie budget.

    Also people play mental accounting games with calories just like with finances. Make steps to make sure you are making accurate measurements. Packaged foods can have MORE than they say but not less (they get in trouble if less so they would rather error with MORE).

    If you typically intake sodium at a certain rate your body adjusts, but if you make a sudden change then you will see a spike.

    Hi :smile:
    I knew all these things.


    I meant things about Allergens and specific nutrient intolerance causing "inch gain"  and bloating in few people.

    I never said junk food should not be eaten. I said eat junk food in moderation. And healthy foods more.

    Fruits and veggies have nutrients much higher than junk food, yet, less calories and keep us fit and have Anti-oxidants.

    I mean the "Quality" of "nutrients" matters more than just "calories"

    And the harm of eating too much outside, without the knowledge of the future problems is wrong.
    > My friend drinks 500 calories starbucks coffee in the morning.

    And eats less directly in the evening!!

    Is this a healthy habbit for weightloss?! Is this healthy habbit for life?!

    THIS is what I meant on the "Junk food" and the "Calories" and the "Nutrient" stuff!!
  • LizzieMdp
    LizzieMdp Posts: 78 Member
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    I understand what you are saying, but I'm going to disagree with it.

    I eat cake. I eat whatever I want in moderation. And I'm still losing weight. Do I try to get plenty of veggies, fruits, lean protein, healthy fats, and whole grains? Yes, of course. But I also eat ice cream, chocolate, restaurant food, etc. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.....and having an all or nothing attitude is what causes most people to be unsuccessful long term.

    I agree with this. I eat fast food because it's convenient, but come in under on my macros (well sugar and I have a harsh relationship). I get plenty of good nutrients as well. When I get closer to my goal weight do I think I'll have to eat differently than I am now? Yeah. But you can't change your entire habits overnight. Every day I make a better decision than the day before and if people get on my case for eating fast food, that's their problem not mine.

    I never said junk food should not be eaten. I said eat junk food in moderation. And healthy foods more.

    Fruits and veggies have nutrients much higher than junk food, yet, less calories and keep us fit and have Anti-oxidants.

    I mean the "Quality" of "nutrients" matters more than just "calories"

    And the harm of eating too much outside, without the knowledge of the future problems is wrong.
    > My friend drinks 500 calories starbucks coffee in the morning.

    And eats less directly in the evening!!

    Is this a healthy habbit for weightloss?! Is this healthy habbit for life?!

    THIS is what I meant on the "Junk food" and the "Calories" and the "Nutrient" stuff!!
  • LizzieMdp
    LizzieMdp Posts: 78 Member
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    I get the original post...that you should be mindful of your nutritional intake, not just caloric intake. Thanks for making that point to motivate readers to be aware of nutrition in your diet, not just calories. A good point indeed!

    Thank You!! :smile:
    Only FEW people understood my post.....

    Is mt English soooo bad?? :cry:
  • LizzieMdp
    LizzieMdp Posts: 78 Member
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    The thing is, the people being targeted don't know that what they have to say won't be appreciated.
    They're just trying to be helpful and share some information, and they get ridiculed for it!
    Shouldn't the members here have some respect for others? Lack of knowledge does not constitute ignorance. New people should be welcomed into the community, not driven out in shame.

    Maybe in future, people could help the people posting understand a bit more, instead of being rude and crushing the new person's self esteem?


    I agree with some of your other points, but I think people should really read a LOT of forum posts before starting their own threads. I think the OP had good information, but it fell almost entirely on either deaf or previously informed ears.

    Point Noted.... I might read MANY posts before hand.... SORRY!! My Mistake!!
  • LizzieMdp
    LizzieMdp Posts: 78 Member
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    OP, something you should know about people on the internet: Many of them have giant, GIANT egos. Not all, but many.

    I got the meaning of what you were saying. You should pay attention to more than just calorie intake and make sure you're actually eating healthily. Very good advice!

    Thanks!! Point Noted :smile:
    Yes, I DID mean the same!! :smile:
  • LilEmm
    LilEmm Posts: 240
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    HI Lizzie,
    Thanks for sharing! That's a good point.

    People were total ****s when I posted on here to use an example of weight lifting and toning your stomach. It really soured me on the whole mfp experience - could they be any more literal and mean spirited? Doubtful.
  • LizzieMdp
    LizzieMdp Posts: 78 Member
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    HI Lizzie,
    Thanks for sharing! That's a good point.


    Hi! Your(You're) Welcome...:smile:
    Glad you liked it :smile:

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