Soy?

LillysGranny
LillysGranny Posts: 431
in Food and Nutrition
So what's the deal with soy? One source touts its excellence as a complete protein source along with its ability to help lower LDL cholesterol while another warns about it all being genetically modified and containing all those phytoestrogens....If soy was really that bad, wouldn't people in the countries who consume the most be sicker than us instead of healthier? Thoughts?
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  • n0ob
    n0ob Posts: 2,390 Member
    people who consume soy are puny...
  • n2thenight24
    n2thenight24 Posts: 1,651 Member
    I know it can stop your menstrual if consumed every day :) People trying to get pregnant avoid it at all costs, it can stop ovulation.
  • luckyclover78
    luckyclover78 Posts: 115 Member
    Soy is pretty much in everything processed and packaged so it's very hard to avoid. Just check out the allergen information on packaging and it'll probably be there. I eat tofu occasionally, once or twice every couple of weeks. I think there is a lot of misinformation surrounding it as well, probably funded by the meat and dairy industries to get people to sway away from it and stick to what they're selling. I think in moderation it's fine.
  • ellabelle0310
    ellabelle0310 Posts: 92 Member
    Personally, I like the taste of soy milk. I like edamame. Lower calories, lower fat, has protein, and makes a mean latte or a great snack food. The whole GMO thing in my opinion is an evil necessity, with farm land becoming less nutrient rich, and conditions becoming more strenuous on crops. Silk brand says they do not use GMOs, but who really knows?! Depending on the people, anything can be good or bad. Everything has mixed opinions surrounding it.
  • Astacia74
    Astacia74 Posts: 166 Member
    Here's an article from the Mayo Clinic: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/soy/NS_patient-soy/DSECTION=safety

    It is very difficult to find any information from a non-biased source; it's either a "miracle food" or a "killer food". I, personally, avoid it as I have thyroid issues and, almond milk just tastes better.
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    I recommend doing your own research- reading literature published by BOTH camps- and making your own decision on it. It's too hot of an issue to make heads or tails based on people's opinions here. Even if people provide documentation to support their argument, it's going to be really biased.

    I eat less of it than I once did because it is a goitrogen.
  • sydneynicole95
    sydneynicole95 Posts: 3
    Monsanto is a main ruler of the soy industry, controlling over 90% of soy grown. They produced the "Roundup Ready" genetically altered soybean. Basically, if you plant this soybean weeds will not grow.
    If you want to know more about the genetically altered soy bean, here's a clip from the documentary, Food Inc. I would recommend watching the full documentary. The clip is not great quality, but you can still hear and read the text.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P1CJ7IEt0c
    If you want even more information, here's a website containing information about the genetically altered "Roundup Ready" soybean.
    http://web.mit.edu/demoscience/Monsanto/players.html
  • Firefox7275
    Firefox7275 Posts: 2,040 Member
    Many foods/ processed products are healthy in moderation but have negative effects if consumed too often.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I actually try to limit my intake as I have a possible risk of estrogen receptive cancer and have not done enough research to determine if I think a high consumption is safe. However, as with everything, its all about the dosage and I do eat soy. I do not drink soy milk mainly because I prefer cows milk and I do have soy from other sources.

    From what I have seen, the research indicates that it is fine as long as it is taken at a reasonable dosage, particularly if you do not have a medical condition or risk that would indicate otherwise.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I know it can stop your menstrual if consumed every day :) People trying to get pregnant avoid it at all costs, it can stop ovulation.

    This is a new one to me. Where is this information from?
  • Nerdy_Rose
    Nerdy_Rose Posts: 1,277 Member
    Stops ovulation and periods?! I NEED MOAR SOY NOW!
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    it is added to a lot of foods so you are probably eating some anyway

    I avoid it as much as possible
  • n2thenight24
    n2thenight24 Posts: 1,651 Member
    First thing I could find about it online, I never did personal research, it's just something my fertility specialist told me about a long time ago :)

    http://www.babyhopes.com/articles/soy.html
  • Zylahe
    Zylahe Posts: 772 Member
    I know it can stop your menstrual if consumed every day :) People trying to get pregnant avoid it at all costs, it can stop ovulation.
    I call bunk on this.
    I've been having soy every day for years and my aunt just wont stop visiting every month.
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    I know it can stop your menstrual if consumed every day :) People trying to get pregnant avoid it at all costs, it can stop ovulation.
    I call bunk on this.
    I've been having soy every day for years and my aunt just wont stop visiting every month.

    there is no good reason to eat soy everyday but whatever
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,207 Member
    You funny girl......I bet dollars to donuts you didn't spend a dime, and your probably on commission.
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    You funny girl......I bet dollars to donuts you didn't spend a dime, and your probably on commission.

    you forgot to say

    peace out
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    Hey Everyone,

    I've just started cleaning up my diet and eating healthy. For 19 days now I have not eaten one bad thing and I feel fantastic!!!
    Im hoping to lose another 4kg in 50days or just tone up as Im going on a holiday in Asia for my graduation present!! Coming from an elite sports background for the last 10years I just ate what Ive wanted (cakes, chocolate, ice cream etc) because I had the mind set 'doesn't matter I have training this arvo!' Which I guess was okay, but now Ive stopped I realized breaking those unhealthy eating habits was a lot harder then i thought.

    So I jumped on Google and did a search for healthy eating plans because I needed to take action right away when I realized the scales weren't being to nice to me anymore!

    Being the typically poor uni student I was looking for a meal plan that was best value for money and I knew would actually work.
    and what I found was this site here... www.XXXXX.com ..... same sort of concept as that XXXX chick only these guys care about me I get follow up emails from XXXX herself asking me how Im going and sometime even phone calls and XXXX s a pro fitness figure model so its really amazing!!!! I spent $99 for the eating plan but yea I guess I got way more than I bargined for, on going support and I feel the best I have done in my life. Now I just wonder how much better I could of been at my sport if I had of known the benefits of clean eating :(
    oh well hindsight is a great thing.

    peace out!

    Spam. Edited out specific references so my quote doesn't get you more business. Reported.
  • speedy001
    speedy001 Posts: 91 Member
    really it didnt sound like a paid add
    Peace out
  • sarahisme18
    sarahisme18 Posts: 574 Member
    This is a great article about taking everything you read with a grain of salt: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_131983.html

    Basically, researchers created a list of 50 random food items, and then looked at how many studies from the past 35 years that tout benefits or risks of consuming said items. They found:
    For 40 out of the 50 ingredients - including veal, celery, cheese and mustard - there were a total of 264 such studies. Of those, 103 suggested the ingredient was tied to an increased risk of cancer, and 88 to a decreased risk.

    Studies on some ingredients, such as onions, carrots and tea, almost all showed a decreased cancer risk, and for others, like bacon and sugar, most or all findings showed a higher risk. But for many foods, study results were all over the map.

    The average effect shown in each study was about a doubling of cancer risk or a halving of risk, depending on which direction the association went for a particular ingredient in a particular report. However, the data backing those claims was usually unconvincing, Schoenfeld and Ioannidis said.
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    really it didnt sound like a paid add
    Peace out

    no..it was an ad to make YOU pay

    peace out
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    In countries where soy is readily consumed, most of that consumption is fermented soy products...and it's not nearly in the quantities that we in the West think it is. The fermentation process eliminates most of the bad stuff in soy. Everything in moderation...I enjoy a bit of Tofu now and then to mix it up, but there are much better sources of protein IMHO, even if you are vegetarian.
  • SuffolkSally
    SuffolkSally Posts: 964 Member
    I like soy, but maybe it depends where you live. Food labellling in the UK is pretty regulated and accurate - so it doesn't really ever turn up as a surprise extra ingredient, lol. And all the products I buy are GM free. The soups and soy sauce etc are all quite high sodium though, so I'm a little careful for that reason.
  • Zylahe
    Zylahe Posts: 772 Member
    This is a great article about taking everything you read with a grain of salt: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_131983.html

    Basically, researchers created a list of 50 random food items, and then looked at how many studies from the past 35 years that tout benefits or risks of consuming said items. They found:
    For 40 out of the 50 ingredients - including veal, celery, cheese and mustard - there were a total of 264 such studies. Of those, 103 suggested the ingredient was tied to an increased risk of cancer, and 88 to a decreased risk.

    Studies on some ingredients, such as onions, carrots and tea, almost all showed a decreased cancer risk, and for others, like bacon and sugar, most or all findings showed a higher risk. But for many foods, study results were all over the map.

    The average effect shown in each study was about a doubling of cancer risk or a halving of risk, depending on which direction the association went for a particular ingredient in a particular report. However, the data backing those claims was usually unconvincing, Schoenfeld and Ioannidis said.

    Although that particular article doesn't seem to reference soy products. Are you saying there is conflicting evidence on many foods, so we should just eat which foods we want?
  • Zylahe
    Zylahe Posts: 772 Member
    I know it can stop your menstrual if consumed every day :) People trying to get pregnant avoid it at all costs, it can stop ovulation.
    I call bunk on this.
    I've been having soy every day for years and my aunt just wont stop visiting every month.

    there is no good reason to eat soy everyday but whatever
    Theres no good reason not to eat soy everyday, so i will.
  • SueGremlin
    SueGremlin Posts: 1,066 Member
    =Basically, if you plant this soybean weeds will not grow.
    Actually, that's not true. If you plant it, you can spray the emerged plant with Roundup and not kill it so you can spray for weeds while it's growing.
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
    I know it can stop your menstrual if consumed every day :) People trying to get pregnant avoid it at all costs, it can stop ovulation.

    This is a new one to me. Where is this information from?

    Wow. That is not true. So are you telling me that Asian people, like myself, that consume soy products like tofu all don't ovulate or have menstrual cycles?

    What about lactose intolerant people, like myself, who do so because they can't have dairy?

    Hmmm...last I checked...which was just last month....I had a menstrual cycle. Oh, and my cousin...has had 5 effin' kids. And I'm pretty sure certain populations that eat soy products quite often are procreating just fine .... Sooooooooooo.......
  • ncthomas09
    ncthomas09 Posts: 322 Member
    My only two cents is that I have noticed when my parent and I tried soy milk it made us a little gassy. They went back to regular cow milk and I switched to almond milk for some things and use cow milk for others.
  • keem88
    keem88 Posts: 1,689 Member
    my mom says it is the devil. if brands say non gmo who knows if it really is. i eat it, not too much because it can trigger bladder flare ups for me. i am a vegetarian so it is in a lot of meatless prducts, although i finally found a grocery that sells quorn meatless and soy free products so i can start buying those again. when it comes down to it, if that doesn't get you something else will.
  • gingerveg
    gingerveg Posts: 748 Member
    YOU WILL DIE IF YOU EAT SOY!!! Seriously, it's fine to consume. I don't know anyone who eats pounds of it everyday and as a veg. I'm at "ground zero" for soy consumption. It is often used by countless veg. (<--- this means vegan and vegetarians) along with a healthy rotation of other foods. I've been eating the stuff for twenty some odd years. I just had a complete physical a couple of weeks ago and with my 40th birthday around the corner I am happy to report zero health problems (most notably amazing cholesterol levels). Be a smart consumer, do your research, eat the good stuff (organic non GMO) you'll be fine.

    ETA: Obviously if you have a personal problem with consuming it-- don't eat it! Same goes for wheat, eggs, dairy, meat, nuts.......c'mon be smart people.

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