Where am i going wrong?

heathercochrane
heathercochrane Posts: 19
edited September 20 in Motivation and Support
My fitness Pal recommends i eat 1200 calories a day for weight loss - and i gain an extra 320 extra calories from my exercise. I go to the gym 7 days - i do 30 minutes CV and 30 minutes weights (alternating upper and lower body each day) - This should give me an allowance of 1520 - off which i usually use around 1350. I have lost 7lb so far - but seem to have came to a stop in weight loss - and cannot shift the mid fat at all :( I manage to keep all my nutrents in check - only rarely going over the sugar - but this is largely due to veg and fruit sugars.

I increase my weights exersises once a week and alternate between machines to gain body shock. My CV is 20 minutes on treadmill and 10 rowing - aiming toward 30 minutes running - which a am particularly proud of given my asthma (6 weeks ago - i could only run for 5 minutes) I am now what is classed as my ideal weight of 8st 3lb - but don't feel ideal - as my belly is still a bit pudgy. Any tips? I am gaining muscle - so really don't need to lose much weight - just this insightly belly fat.

I am concerned that i am not eating enough and so 'starvation mode' is preventing me from losing fat.

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  • CoachJ77
    CoachJ77 Posts: 80 Member
    So I would cut down your exercise to 5-6 days a week. Your body needs time to heal up before you work it again. Try this work out plan; remember light weights, more repsk

    Monday- chest and back are your muscle groups to work. Do things like push ups and bench pressing with light weights to shock your body. Assisted pull-ups for back is a great upper back work out. The more you can get with an assisting machine the better. Think sets of ten and maybe work up to 5 sets.

    Tuesday- Arms. Every woman wants the toned arm WITHOUT the double wave. Well this means tricepts are a must. Pull dows, dips (usually the pull-up assisting machine also works for assisting in dips). Bicepts, think curls. Both muscle groups should be around 18+ reps and as many sets as you can do but no more than 5 for each excersize

    Weds- NO UPPER BODY, this is your leg day. With leg day comes butt day too, so be prepared to be sore. Back squats or using dumbbells with ten reps and 3-5 sets is great. Lunges, no weight unless you need it for more resistance... this is a real butt kicker.

    Thurs- Core concentration. Really try to concentrate abs like you haven't before. Work your lower back. Some exercises using the half and full balls could be great!

    Friday- Cardio only. This is really important. Your body needs rest along with nutrients.

    Every day you can do cardio, and I suggest you do it for 40 minutes non stop, no breaks. It strengthens the heart and builds stamina. On Friday, an hour of cardio is the goal, but for as long as you can go is fantastic.

    Lastly, diet. If 1200 cals is what MFP says to eat, I would suggest eating no more than that, even while working out those four to five days. On your weekends, splurge. It will shock your body and let it know you are not starving yourself. So eat upwards of 15-1600 cals. 1600 being perfect. Just remember, there is a difference between good cals and bad one :) haha.

    NOTE: I am not a physician, I just train people non-professionally often.

    Anyway, I hope this is of some help, please feel free to send me a message if you need something. Good luck :)
  • Hay thanks :D i shall try your plan.. Great help and advice :D
  • ChellieIrish
    ChellieIrish Posts: 593 Member
    Hi there Heather :bigsmile:

    I'm Chellie from Ireland :wink: From what I have read here so far they recommend that you eat the extra cals you earn from exercize :wink:

    This is something I copied down from a previous post which may explain it for you :flowerforyou:

    Quote:

    I still see many people that are confused or "question" the idea of eating your exercise calories. I wanted to try (as futile as this may turn out to be) to explain the concept in no uncertain terms. I'll save the question of "eating your exercise calories" for the end because I want people to understand WHY we say to do this.

    NOTE: I'm not going to use a lot of citation in this, but I don't want people thinking this is my opinion, I have put much careful research into it, most of which is very complicated and took a long time for me to sift through and summarize, and thanks to my chemical engineering backgroud I have the tools to read clinical studies and translate them (somewhat) into more human terms. Some of this information comes from sources I can't forward because they are from pay sites (like New England Journal of Medicine), so you can ask for anything, but I may or may not be able to readilly provide it for you (I can always tell you where to go if you want to though).

    I'll break it down into 3 sections.
    Section 1 will be our metabolic lifecycle or what happens when we eat and how our body burns fuel.
    Section 2 will be what happens when we receive too much, too little, or the wrong kind of fuel.
    Section 3 will be the steps needed to bring the body to a healthy state and how the body "thinks" on a sympathetic level (the automatic things our body does like digestion, and energy distribution).

    Section 1:
    Metabolism, in "layman's" terms, is the process of taking in food, breaking it down into it's components, using the food as fuel and building blocks, and the disposal of the poisons and waste that we ingest as part of it. Metabolism has three overall factors, genetics, nutrition, and environment. So who we are, what we eat, and how we live all contribute to how our metabolism works. You can control 2 of these 3 factors (nutrition, environment).
    When you eat food, it is broken down into it's component parts. Protein, vitamins and minerals are transported to the cells that need them to build new cells or repair existing cells. Fats(fatty acid molecules) and carbohydrates are processed (by 2 different means) and either immediately burned or stored for energy. Because the body doesn't store food in a pre-digested state, if you eat more carbs and fat then you need immediately, the body will save them for later in human fat cells (adipose tissue). This is important to realize because even if you eat the correct number of calories in a 24 hour period, if you eat in large quantities infrequently (more then you can burn during the digestion process), your body will still store the extra as fat and eliminate some of the nutrients. (Side note: this is why simple or processed carbs are worse for you compared with complex carbs)

    Section 2:
    The human body has a set metabolic rate (based on the criteria stated above), this rate can be changed by overall nutritional intake over a period of time, or by increasing activity levels also over a period of time (the exact amount of time for sustained increase in metabolic rates is the subject of some debate, but all studies agree that any increase in activity level will increse the metabolism).
    It is important to note that obesity does not drasticly change the level of metabolic process, that means that if you become obese, you don't burn a higher fat percentage just because you have more to burn.
    The balance of incomming fuel vs the amount of fuel the body uses is called maintenance calories, or the amount of calories it takes to run your body during a normal day (not including exercise or an extremely lethargic day). The metabolism is a sympathetic process, this means it will utilize lower brain function to control it's level, it also means it can actively "learn" how a body is fitness wise, and knows approximately how much energy it needs to function correctly. It also means automatic reactions will happen when too much or too little fuel is taken in. Too much fuel triggers fat storage, adipose tissue expands and fat is deposited, also free "fat" cells (triglycerides) will circulate in the blood stream (HDL and LDL cholesterol). Too little fuel (again, over an extended period) triggers a survival mode instinct, where the body recognizes the lack of fuel comming in and attempts to minimize body function (slowing down of non-essential organ function) and the maximization of fat storage. It's important to note that this isn't a "switch", the body does this as an ongoing analysis and will adjust the levels of this as needed (there is no "line" between normal and survival mode.).
    When you're activity level increases, the human body will perform multiple functions, first, readily available carbohydrates and fats are broken down into fuel, oxydized, and sent directly to the areas that need fuel, next adipose (body) fat is retreived, oxydized, and transported to the areas it is needed for additional fuel, 3rd (and this is important), if fat stores are not easilly reachable (as in people with a healthy BMI where adipose fat is much more scarce), muscle is broken down and used for energy. What people must realize is that the metabolism is an efficiency engine, it will take the best available source of energy, if fat stores are too far away from the systems that need them or too dense to break down quickly, then it won't wait for the slower transfer, it will start breaking down muscle (while still breaking down some of that dense fat as well).

    Section 3:
    The wonderful part of the human metabolic system is it's ability to adapt and change. Just because your body has entered a certain state, doesn't mean it will stay that way. The downfall to this is that if organs go unused over a long period, they can lose functionality and can take years to fully recover(and sometimes never).
    As long as there is no permenant damage to organ function, most people can "re-train" their metabolism to be more efficient by essentially showing it (with the intake of the proper levels and nutritional elements) that it will always have the right amount and types of fuel. This is also known as a healthy nutritional intake.
    Going to the extreme one way or the other with fuel consumption will cause the metabolism to react, the more drastic the swing, the more drastic the metabolism reacts to this (for example, a diet that limits fat or cabohydrate intake to very low levels). In general terms, the metabolism will react with predictable results if fuel levels remain in a range it associates with normal fuel levels. If you raise these fuel levels it will react by storing more fat, if you lower these fuel levels, it will react by shutting down processes and storing fat for the "upcomming" famine levels. The most prominent immediate issues (in no particular order) with caloric levels below normal are reduced muscle function, reduction of muscle size and density, liver and kidney failures, increase in LDL (bad) cholesterol levels, and gallstones .


    Now onto the question of "Eating your exercise calories"

    As I have hinted to throughout this summary of metabolic process, the body has a "range" in which it feels it is receiving the right amount of fuel. The range (as most doctors and research scientists agree) is somewhere between 500 calories above your maintenance calories and 1000 calories below your maintenance calories. This means that the metabolism won't drastically change it's functionality in this range, with that said, this is not exact, it is a range based on averages, you may have a larger or smaller range based on the 3 factors of metabolism stated at the top.
    On our website (MyFitnessPal), when you enter your goals, there is a prebuilt deficit designed to keep you in the "normal" metabolic functionality while still burning more calories then you take in. This goal DOES NOT INCLUDE exercise until you enter it. If you enter exercise into your daily plan, the site automatically adjusts your total caloric needs to stay within that normal range (in other words, just put your exercise in, don't worry about doing any additional calculations). Not eating exercise calories can bring you outside that range and (if done over an extended period of days or weeks) will gradually send your body into survival mode, making it harder (but not impossible) to continue to lose weight. The important thing to understand is (and this is REALLY important) the closer you are to your overall healthy weight (again, your metabolism views this a a range, not a specific number) the more prominant the survival mode becomes (remember, we talked about efficiency). This is because as fat becomes scarce, muscle is easier to break down and transport. And thus, the reason why it's harder to lose that "Last 10 pounds".

    I really hope this puts a lot of questions to bed. I know people struggle with this issue and I want to make sure they have the straight facts of why we all harp on eating your exercise calories.

    -Regards,

    Banks
  • SHBoss1673
    SHBoss1673 Posts: 7,161 Member
    Heather, with 4 lbs to lose to meet your goal, I wonder if you have your goals right. I mean only this, if you are close to your goal, then your deficit should be very small. I don't know what your deficit is, or what your individual numbers are, but for someone who is in the low 20's or teens Body fat % wise, and in the lower 20's of BMI (23 or lower) generally your deficit should around 1/4 lb to (maximum) 1/2 lb per week.

    I don't know what your numbers are (height, weight, activity level...etc) so I can't really give an accurate assessment, but judging from what you can do in the gym (and I agree that you should take at least 1 day off), and your picture, I think that about 1/4 lb per week (a 250 calorie deficit) should be what you shoot for. Also, IMHO you should expect it to take a month or more to see any tangible results, it sucks to hear, but really that's just usually how it goes for most of us.

    Hope this helps.

    -Banks
  • kwardklinck
    kwardklinck Posts: 1,601
    When I got close to my goal weight, I changed my goals to lose 1/2 a pound a week. This gave me about 200 more calories per day. I also increased my workouts. I'm focusing more on toning. Fact is you're probably not losing because you are so close to your goal. The last few pounds will come off but you have to give yourself some time for this to happen.
  • Cheers everyone - all excellent and enlightning advice.. :D

    I'm a rather short 5ft 3inches.. my BMI is 20.2 - im 35years old.. I have such a small frame though - my wrists are only 5.5inches - so belly fat makes me look like a wee egg on legs ;)

    I think i shall take a bit of everyone's advice here -

    Change my exersise routine to CoachJ77 ' advice - and take a day off every week

    And reduce my goal to half a lb per week initially (which i admitt, i never even thought about)

    Thanks all x x
  • kwardklinck
    kwardklinck Posts: 1,601
    You're tiny. Wondering if you even need to lose any more weight with a BMI that small. You might try some core strengthening. I love Pilates because it really helps reduce my waist and makes my abs stronger.
  • yeah - i really do need to work on my abs - my problem is more tonning that weight loss. I had Really skinny arms and legs and now they are tonning quite well - i actually have a calf :D before i just had two pins.. -

    just the mid section i cant seem to tone :D i think harder exersise is my answer - and more abs specific gym classes.
  • borisda
    borisda Posts: 122 Member
    WOW! some really insightfull information going on. It's answered some difficult questions.
  • nolachick
    nolachick Posts: 3,278 Member
    bumping to read later
  • questionablemethods
    questionablemethods Posts: 2,174 Member
    i think harder exersise is my answer - and more abs specific gym classes.

    I don't know what kind of weight work you are doing right now, but if you really want to up the intensity, try resting only a little between sets and really keep your heart rate up while doing it. Move quickly from exercise to exercise. This is known as circuit training and it is excellent for fat loss while maintaining (or "toning") your muscles. I do 20-40 minute circuits and, actually, I find that it is hard to do them at the gym because the place is so crowded. I end up doing my circuit workouts at home using very minimal equipment and mostly bodyweight exercises. I started workout out like this because I was getting tired of going to the gym and having to fight for space in the weight room and not seeing the results I wanted. I've really been seeing great results so far.

    If you're interested, here's an example of a recent workout I did. It's only 24 minutes, but it is intense and I was a puddle of sweat afterward. I think you can Google all of the exercises to find demonstrative videos. (I get a lot of ideas for moves from http://bodyrock.tv).

    45 s of Plank Jacks, 15 s rest
    45 s Arm Hang with Knee Ups, 15 s rest
    45 s Jump Lunges, 15 s rest
    45 s Tuck Jumps, 15 s rest
    45 s Dive Bomber pushups, 15 s rest

    Repeat 3 more times for a total of 24 minutes
  • bebbjeb
    bebbjeb Posts: 134
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