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Two of my children have been diagnosed with PTSD and Adjustment disorder for more than a year and a half. We have gone through four therapists trying to find the right fit. A week ago the therapist came and seemed to be interrogating my child cia style.She kept asking the same question over and over and my child kept looking down saying in a quiet voice "I don't know". She would then say "yes you do" and repeat the process. It was uncomfortable and painful to watch. I had to step in and stop her. I helped get the answer she was looking for in a more gentle way, but then my childs heart seemed ripped open and she had given my child no coping skills to deal with the pain she had just forced up. I feel like I am making things worse. It feels like everything keeps getting dragged up, but with no positive end result.:brokenheart:
If you experienced an extreme traumatic event as a child.
1.Did your parents get you therapy?
2. If they did are you happy they did or do you wish they hadn't?
3. If they didn't are you happy they didn't or do you wish they had?
Thank you for your help.:flowerforyou:
If you experienced an extreme traumatic event as a child.
1.Did your parents get you therapy?
2. If they did are you happy they did or do you wish they hadn't?
3. If they didn't are you happy they didn't or do you wish they had?
Thank you for your help.:flowerforyou:
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As a child, I was in a car accident and both of my parents died. We were stuck inside the car for hours until someone found us (we were driving through the mountains and a boulder landed on our car. I don't want to go into details, but that accident made me a totally different person than I would have been (aside from not being raised by my parents). My grandparents raised me and I never received counseling until I was old enough to seek it out on my own. I never knew how to process what happened to me and had nightmares for years and years. My grandparents didn't even want to talk about the accident, so I was left to my own devices on how to make sense of it all. I've finally made some progress working with a therapist, but I still have nightmares and it's been 30 years.0
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I recently did a huge research paper on Play Therapy with young kids. Its non-verbal and still helps them cope with and deal with stressful traumas that they have experienced. Look into it in your area, my mom is also an occupational therapist working with sensory issues, and usually a child-led therapy is more beneficial...and especially something NON-VERBAL!
Just a thought I've got tons of sources and research on play therapy, shoot me a message if you want some articles.0 -
As a child, I was in a car accident and both of my parents died. We were stuck inside the car for hours until someone found us (we were driving through the mountains and a boulder landed on our car. I don't want to go into details, but that accident made me a totally different person than I would have been (aside from not being raised by my parents). My grandparents raised me and I never received counseling until I was old enough to seek it out on my own. I never knew how to process what happened to me and had nightmares for years and years. My grandparents didn't even want to talk about the accident, so I was left to my own devices on how to make sense of it all. I've finally made some progress working with a therapist, but I still have nightmares and it's been 30 years.
I'm so sorry! I can't even imagine how terrifying that must have been for you. I really appreciate your answering for me. I guess I just want to make sure that I am not making things worse than they already are. I am currently diagnosed with PTSD for the same reason they are only on a different level. I have nightmares and trouble sleeping, so I stay up as late as I can to avoid sleep.0 -
I was traumatized but what a family member did. I was 14 so you'd think I was old enough to ask for help but I didn't. When I finally did my parents were sympathetic but it had been almost 5 years so the pain wasn't as immediate to them as it was still for me. They don't believe in therapy but I did go. Honestly, I think you're doing the right thing by seeking help for your kids. Therapy didn't help me but I believe it does help others. The problem is there are sooo many quacks out there! you have to shop around. Don't give up! you're obviously a good mother, just be there to support them and help them in anyway you can.0
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It does not seem right to inflict more stress and emotional/mental pain to children by this kind of integrations. They need a lot of love, positive encouragement and support emotionally, mentally. My heart goes out to your kids.
Evaluate people they spend their day with - adults and kids alike. If there are people who do not provide encouraging, supportive environment remove your kids from that environment.
Children yearn to be loved and encouraged, have a safe home and people around them who they can fully trust. Anything less then this will create all kinds of issues starting with shyness, withdrawal...etc.
If they are ever wrong or make mistake never shame them or attach their character. Encourage them that next time they can try and do it again and try it different way.... this will build them up.
Always build your kids up with what you say and what you do. Keep them away from that therapist, they will only shy away more and lock themselves in more.0 -
I don't talk about the whys, but I was taken to a psychologist as a child. He pushed too hard and forever etched in my being an extreme distrust of men and any kind of councilor, therapist, etc.
I've learned to function thanks to my mom's unconditional love, but in the back of my mind, I'm always questioning everyone's motives until they've proven themselves trustworthy. I can't tell you how I might've been if I hadn't been taken... better or worse? Who knows?0 -
I didn't but my son did. We talked to our Pastor. This helped. However, he is pretty open with me. He shares a lot of how he feels.0
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The problem with therapists is that kids will not respond to anyone they don't trust. A kid that is injured is not likely to trust anyone aside from his parents. A better approach might be getting help yourself and learning how to help your child. It's also important to remember that kids don't intellectualize things in the same way adults do, but they are very resilient. A safe and loving environment probably has more power to heal than anything.0
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It's great that you are working so hard to help your children. The more help you can get them now, the better.
I didn't get therapy for a traumatic event in my childhood until another event brought it up some 30 years later. I needed help much earlier but nobody could see the need for it.
Keep on loving your kids.0 -
for whatever cause this for your kids, i am so sorry. I went through some very traumatic events when I was a child. What I remember most about my mom was that she did not know how to cope AT ALL herself and so was useless to me and my siblings. I was grown and married before I figured it out. You wrote about how you to have PTSD and avoid sleep and I think you have to remember that you need to make yourself healthy and strong in the face of fear so that your kids see that they can do it too and have a mom that they can depend on.
God bless0 -
i used to stutter horribly as a child, due to traumatic events (abuse which led to hospitalization in the emergency room more than once). i have never been to therapy before as a child or adult. not gonna lie, i have my problems, but i think i get through half alright. i struggle with an eating disorder and mood disorder, but i work full time as a mental health/substance abuse counselor, have a stable relationship and manage my own life/finances. i think it varies for each person, maybe if i had gone to therapy i wouldn't have emotional issues, but who knows maybe i still would or they would even be worse. use your judgement. if you feel like it isn't working for your children, maybe find a new therapist or an alternative form of treatment, or go without for a while and see if there are any negative or positive changes with your children. hope everything turns out okay.0
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Get a new therapist
Ask your child if they want to try to meet with someone to help
I like the book promise of energy psychology (i think that's the name) if not email me and I'll find the details
I assume your child cant articulate their feelings- defend them (if something makes you uncomfortable) your job is to defend your child, IMO
Help your child articulate your thoughts- it is a needed skill for relationships0 -
I work in a behavioral health/substance abuse outpatient clinic...I do all their billing, so I am not a counselor...but our child psychologists use play therapy...they have toys and such and the child will play, while the therapist talks with them, or the parent....all the chldren love our therapists and eagerly come back time after time...
we also have a program in the schools, this program does many things including having frequent overnights, sometimes camping out...sometimes for the weekend, sometimes for a week...they go all ove the state and sometimes to the neighboring states....I have seen a DECREASE in issues regarding children and suicide attempts, as well as they are getting early information on substance abuse and health issues related to this activity.since this program has been a part of our clinic..hopefully, all of this will help to decrease these issues in the community.....this is a VERY popular program, and the kids that are not enrolled are begging to be included....almost the entire school system enrollment are in this program..
.however, when they start high school, we have found that those kids have decided they have other things that keep them busy such as ...boys, girls, looking for jobs, thinking of future etc.....we have found that when we offer various groups for them, that most have other things that they have to do....so we are looking at other ways to get them to participate....0 -
Thank you:flowerforyou: . All of your posts are very helpful. Yes they are young. They are so young I had to fight with my insurance to get therapy covered for them to begin with. Sadly they like this therapist and seem to work with her more than the others. I hate to think that I am making decisions with a closed mind. I like t hear all of the perspectives. I know that this will not be the only therapy. I know they don't understand a lot now and will have many more painful questions later. Defending my children was the first thing I did and continue to do. They are the reason I breathe0
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I experienced extreme and ongoing trauma as a young child in my home and it was direct assault on me. It was life altering. And I have had PTSD as a result of it. I am so sorry your children have as well. And it will make a huge difference that they have your support, help and awareness.
I did not get therapy, but it would have been good if I had. I did not have any support or help through it.
However, not all therapists are good. Some can do more harm than good. So, having the right therapist is important, even if it means trying a few out. The way that therapist questioned your child is actually really not ok. You should never push or force a child to open up those painful wounds. The therapist is there to play with the child and through play the child gains trust and speaks when he or she is ready in the way that is right for them. I hope this is helpful to hear. You can ask me questions.0 -
I was traumatized but what a family member did. I was 14 so you'd think I was old enough to ask for help but I didn't. When I finally did my parents were sympathetic but it had been almost 5 years so the pain wasn't as immediate to them as it was still for me. They don't believe in therapy but I did go. Honestly, I think you're doing the right thing by seeking help for your kids. Therapy didn't help me but I believe it does help others. The problem is there are sooo many quacks out there! you have to shop around. Don't give up! you're obviously a good mother, just be there to support them and help them in anyway you can.0
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If the death of a sibling counts, then I was traumatized as a child and had no therapy until high school and college when I went to the school counselors on my own. I kind of resented my parents for a long time because they didn't see earlier that I was a desperately unhappy child.
My children have mental health issues and therapy was helpful in some ways, but unhelpful in others, depending on which kid you ask.
There are many, many different approaches to therapy, so if one therapist doesn't seem to be a good fit, leave them behind and look for a better one.
Virtual ~*~ hugs ~*~ to you and your kids.0 -
Two of my children have been diagnosed with PTSD and Adjustment disorder for more than a year and a half. We have gone through four therapists trying to find the right fit. A week ago the therapist came and seemed to be interrogating my child cia style.She kept asking the same question over and over and my child kept looking down saying in a quiet voice "I don't know". She would then say "yes you do" and repeat the process. It was uncomfortable and painful to watch. I had to step in and stop her. I helped get the answer she was looking for in a more gentle way, but then my childs heart seemed ripped open and she had given my child no coping skills to deal with the pain she had just forced up. I feel like I am making things worse. It feels like everything keeps getting dragged up, but with no positive end result.:brokenheart:
If you experienced an extreme traumatic event as a child.
1.Did your parents get you therapy?
2. If they did are you happy they did or do you wish they hadn't?
3. If they didn't are you happy they didn't or do you wish they had?
Thank you for your help.:flowerforyou:
I have PTSD because of severe childhood physical abuse which I recieved via my brother. My parents never got me therapy, according to them the abuse was my fault. I am now 20 years old and have recurring nightmares about it. I have only started going to therapy myself about a month ago and although it is like ripping a bandaid off a wound hopefully it will help in the long run. I wish that they had got me therapy themselves and that I wasn't blamed for what happened.0 -
1.Did your parents get you therapy?
2. If they did are you happy they did or do you wish they hadn't?
3. If they didn't are you happy they didn't or do you wish they had?
Thank you for your help.:flowerforyou:
No they didn't.
They caused my PTSD and when I asked for help from them and the rest of my family I was denied help and treated worse for causing trouble.
I wish that I had of decided to get proper treatment years ago instead of just now though. I feel like I have wasted too much of my life suffering from PTSD/anxiety/stress/depression.
One word of advice, look for a psychologist/therapist who has lots of experience with PTSD in children and also one who has been trained with mindfulness. My psychologist is doing mindfulness with me now and it is by far the best therapy I have had in regards to my PTSD. I would have loved to have been exposed to it as a child, I think it would have made a world of difference.0 -
Two of my children have been diagnosed with PTSD and Adjustment disorder for more than a year and a half. We have gone through four therapists trying to find the right fit. A week ago the therapist came and seemed to be interrogating my child cia style.She kept asking the same question over and over and my child kept looking down saying in a quiet voice "I don't know". She would then say "yes you do" and repeat the process. It was uncomfortable and painful to watch. I had to step in and stop her. I helped get the answer she was looking for in a more gentle way, but then my childs heart seemed ripped open and she had given my child no coping skills to deal with the pain she had just forced up. I feel like I am making things worse. It feels like everything keeps getting dragged up, but with no positive end result.:brokenheart:
If you experienced an extreme traumatic event as a child.
1.Did your parents get you therapy?
2. If they did are you happy they did or do you wish they hadn't?
3. If they didn't are you happy they didn't or do you wish they had?
Thank you for your help.:flowerforyou:0 -
Thank you all so much:flowerforyou: You have no idea how much I appreciate the different points of view. I am so sorry for all of your pain too:brokenheart: Thank you for sharing your thought on this with me0
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My mom did everything she could to try and get me help.
I was both in-patient and out-patient. The only person I theoretically wanted to talk to was my mom. I didn't have the communication skills to do that, so she tried to help the only way she knew how, hence I was hospitalized. This was a huge mistake in hindsight, I have ridiculous emotional scars from that damn place. I don't blame her though.
Age 13 I went into lock-down. No one could reach me. I completely shut down emotionally and acted out in anger because it was the only safe emotion to express. It was the only emotion I had left.
I suppressed memories of events to the point that some of them I didn't recollect until 20+ yrs later. Talk about a friggin waking nightmare...
In hindsight the things that stand out are that she TRIED to help me and didn't throw me to the wolves. Most amazing person in the world my mum.
Reality being there was no therapist that could have helped me because the only person that ever could help me was my mom; but I couldn't even let her in. I was just to f'd up and emotionally immature to handle anything.
So I guess what I am trying to say is that I think the best thing you can do is be the therapist yourself, there is practically nothing in this world that love can't fix. Your love and support is what they need the most, so communicate with them, comfort them, play with them, confront the issues openly with them as a family. You are the most trusted person in the world to them, who better to fix them than you?
So in a nutshell, get things out in the open don't let them become old festering wounds.
Yes I am happy my mom tried to help. Those events forever changed me though, there was no going back to who I was. a couple decades later and I still have trust issues, i guess i always will.
All the kings horses and all the kings men..
Your a great mom for caring enough to ask peoples opinions, you will do right by them0 -
Like the man above said, sometimes the professionals do more harm than good. Professional therapists are also just people and often people with their own problems. Sometimes people with problems are drawn to the field. They try to help others without helping themselves and that's not a good thing (even if they are a nice person and the kids like them). So, it is something to be very aware of. But, with that said I do think having some objective help is a good thing. Having your support (as their mother) is wonderful, but a parent has her own trauma to deal with and is just too close to everything emotionally. It's too much for a parent to deal with it all on her own and often needed for some outside help for the children to feel comfortable speaking about it. A lot of children will not speak about it in front of the parent or with the parent because they want to protect the parent or for other reasons. Sometimes it takes having some objective outside help to help unravel why a child may be keeping silent. But, a child should never be pushed (actually an adult shouldn't be pushed either), that is not the way to deal with trauma. This is not easy stuff to deal with, as you know , and from reading these responses. Childhood trauma is very difficult to deal with properly. I'm not sure anyone fully knows how to handle it. And each child and each situation is different. A child can deal with the trauma at an age appropriate level and at each stage of growth they will be dealing with it in a new way as they mature and gain the abilities to comprehend and understand what happened and how wrong and harmful it was. That was my experience. It was extremely traumatic at the time and I went into shock, and I also did not fully understand it. As I grew, at each stage of development I would begin to understand more and more about it and have feelings about that. I am still dealing with it now (but it is a lot better).0
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I was abused by a family member when I was 5 and my mom sought out counseling for us. We did the play therapy and honestly, it made me feel uncomfortable and didn't help me deal with anything as I didn't understand what I was trying to work through. I don't know how long we went, but I don't think it was super long before we stopped. It wasn't until 18 years later and lots of other not so wonderful situations that I was able to see that there was a problem and that it wasn't me. I THEN sought out counseling on my own and was able to work through everything. I am now a stronger and better person for what I've been able to work through. Your kids might not be able to work through things even though you try, but I wish you luck and no matter what happens, just be there for them and if you don't continue on, help them to know throughout their years as they're exploring life, that you are there to help them work through whatever may come up.
Unfortunately whatever traumas we face are with us for life and will always affect us to a point, but they don't have to define us.0 -
Two of my children have been diagnosed with PTSD and Adjustment disorder for more than a year and a half. We have gone through four therapists trying to find the right fit. A week ago the therapist came and seemed to be interrogating my child cia style.She kept asking the same question over and over and my child kept looking down saying in a quiet voice "I don't know". She would then say "yes you do" and repeat the process. It was uncomfortable and painful to watch. I had to step in and stop her. I helped get the answer she was looking for in a more gentle way, but then my childs heart seemed ripped open and she had given my child no coping skills to deal with the pain she had just forced up. I feel like I am making things worse. It feels like everything keeps getting dragged up, but with no positive end result.:brokenheart:
If you experienced an extreme traumatic event as a child.
1.Did your parents get you therapy?
2. If they did are you happy they did or do you wish they hadn't?
3. If they didn't are you happy they didn't or do you wish they had?
Thank you for your help.:flowerforyou:
Make sure that you are working with a psychiatrist . . . who is a medical doctor and not a counselor or therapist who is not a medical doctor. I learned a long time ago that the treatment I received from a psychiatrist far exceeded that of the licensed therapist. I think therapists are great and used one for my relationship with my husband, but for my more deeply rooted issues I would only trust a psychiatrist.0 -
Play therapy can yield amazing results. Maybe try looking into that? It's a real and specialized approach to therapy with children and can help engage them on their own level. I did play therapy as a child. It was really useful.0
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Get a new therapist
Ask your child if they want to try to meet with someone to help
I like the book promise of energy psychology (i think that's the name) if not email me and I'll find the details
I assume your child cant articulate their feelings- defend them (if something makes you uncomfortable) your job is to defend your child, IMO
Help your child articulate your thoughts- it is a needed skill for relationships
OMG this!!
My daughter has lots of dx, but the major one is bipolar. Her therapist is a life saver but you have to find the right one. DONT let you child suffer more because of a bad therapist. find a new one fast.0 -
My son was started on therapy early-on for reasons that turned out to be unfounded. My ex-wife was always trying to convince herself and me that there was something 'off' about our son, because she just wasn't connecting with him the way she thought she would / should. . In hindsight, I'm convinced SHE was the one who is emotionally stunted, not him. Anyway, I agreed to let him be counseled and it turned out to be a good move.
We found an excellent therapist who employed play therapy (he was four when he started).. .He quickly picked out some figurines to represent the three of us, plus other figures that would come into the scenario on occasion. We gained some real insight into what was going on in his head and this became critical when our marriage started to fall apart.
When he was five, I was forced to take him away from his home, and from his mom (for a period of time) and it was VERY helpful that he had already established a rapport with this therapist. I'm not sure how well it would have gone with somebody brand new.
Either way, I feel she helped him deal with his anxieties and fears by finding a way to express them, and it helped me to get a much better understanding of HIM through her, so I could do the right things by him. . such as constantly expressing to him that nothing was his fault and telling him he was safe. She also helped me by instructing me on how to avoid destructive behavior, such as visible expressions of weakness and doubt. She explained that he was 100% relying on me now and that his secure world had just been torn asunder. . things that he took for granted were suddenly gone. I had to be the 'rock' that he could rely on.
Anyway. . that's my story. I'm a big advocate of therapy, but I was blessed to find an excellent therapist.
Also. .I disagree with the poster above who stated that psychiatrists are always better. . The truth is, psychiatrists these days mostly talk to you for 15 minutes, charge you for an hour, then prescribe drugs. . They don't do much counseling and when they do, it's $300 / hour. . So. . find an experienced councilor that comes highly recommended by other people with similar problems. .
One more thing. . I was concerned most about your description of her blatantly direct questioning of your child. This may be a valid method, I don't know, but it sounds more like she was frustrated with your kid and angry that your child wasn't giving her the answers she wanted. I would suggest seeking a different councilor. .Of course, this is a difficult decision, particularly if your kid seems to trust and open up to this woman, but it sounds like browbeating to me and I think your instincts are right. . The purpose of this counseling is to help your child cope, not to force him/her to answer your questions.
Good luck . .0
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