HR too high when working out

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  • Cassierocksalot
    Cassierocksalot Posts: 266 Member
    Actually, now that I think about it I take a generic antihistamine with added Sudafed to help with some sinus issues. That might be part of the problem.

    There you go! I started a new medication yesterday and I almost passed out during my work out because it had my heart beating so fast. Today, I waited until I was done working out to take it and didn't have that problem. Maybe try taking it at a different time and see if that helps.
  • astrampe
    astrampe Posts: 2,169 Member
    That's actually not too high. Over 200 would be too high. As you get in better shape, it will go down. Mine used to peak at 190-191 when I first started working out seriously. If you were over 40, it would be too high.
    Not even...i'm 44 and my peak is around 179....No big deal if you don't have heart issues - ignore and listen to your body - I KNOW when mine gets that high, simply because I'm out of breath, and using everyting I have...Slowing down for a few seconds brings it back
  • denezy
    denezy Posts: 573 Member
    My resting heart rate is about 55, which is quite healthy... but when I'm doing an intense cardio session (like this morning) my heart rate topped out at 187.

    I didn't die, in fact..... I like the feeling.
  • scottb81
    scottb81 Posts: 2,538 Member
    but the only way to get in better shape is to run at a faster speed.
    the opposite is true. Running always at a faster speed will give you quick improvement that will max out and plateau after several months. Running at an aerobic pace that is much easier will give you slower gains but they will not max out for years. The second technique will get someone in orders of magnitude better shape.

    After one has developed the aerobic system (months after beginning) the best mixture of intensities is 85% easy, 10% hard, and 5% all out. For someone running a typical 20 miles per week that means 17.5 miles easy, 2 miles hard, and 1/2 mile all out.

    There are other ways to train that lead to suboptimal results.
  • downtheadders
    downtheadders Posts: 26 Member
    http://www.heart.com/heart-rate-chart.html

    Age-predicted maximum heart rate formula:

    WOMEN: 226 - your age = age-adjusted Max HR

    MEN: 220 - your age = age-adjusted Max HR

    First, know this equation. You are reaching slightly over 90% of your max heart rate. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, just know that if you hit 100% you will pass out. You'll know when you hit it because, well, you"ll pass out. Could get awkward on a treadmill but makes for a great YouTube video! :laugh:

    Do some research on heart rate based training. You have 3 zones you should know: Lactate (where you are hitting now), anaerobic and aerobic. To get in really good shape you should have workouts targeting each of these separately. I use a Polar FT80 and RCX5 for my workouts. Check the Polar website as well as their forums. They have some great articles and posts about training. I recently read a book named Run Less Run Faster. I have just started the training, so it is too soon to see results, but the basic heart rate based training underlies the program.
    The HR monitor I have gives me fatburn and fitness as the two zones it tells me if I'm in. So it sounds like I should be spending some time in both of those, as well as a short amount of time in the upper range of the fitness zone?
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    the whole exercise in this heart rate range for fat loss isa myth.

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/336935-fat-burning-zone-myth/
  • scottb81
    scottb81 Posts: 2,538 Member
    The majority of time you should run in the aerobic zone. If you are tired you can run in the fat burn zone without stressing the body too much. Over time, the paces in these zones will get faster. You don't really need to run in the upper zone at all unless you are training to race, but if you want to it shouldn't be more than about once a week.

    The more running you can do without injury the faster and higher your fitness will build. By running easier you better target the aerobic system for development and can allow yourself to run more since it is less stressful on the legs and less likely to lead to overuse injury. Additionally, if you are using running to lose weight, more running equals more calories burned.
  • Otterluv
    Otterluv Posts: 9,083 Member
    When I use the elliptical, I set it on a hilly program. There are times in that program where I have to push harder, and my heartrate will get up in the upper 160's for a short time. It comes right down on the easier settings. Through the months, I've been able to use progressively tougher programs, which has made it so that my heart rate continues to step into the 160's here and there on my workouts. So, even though I am in much better shape (it takes a lot more to get my heart rate to that level now), it still elevates at times.

    That your heart rate goes up doesn't necessarily mean that you are out of shape, it just means that you are working hard enough to get it to that level for the shape that you are in.
  • Turtle003
    Turtle003 Posts: 133 Member
    I have the exact same problem and I went to my Dr. about it. He said as long as I was not short of breath or light headed it was fine. I do try to slow down when running and doing the elliptical 1-2 times a week to get into the fat burning zone of my heart rate. But at comfortable running rate my heart rate will start at 130s and end up at 169 - 172 during the majority of my run.
  • SleepySin
    SleepySin Posts: 168 Member
    Just to be safe I would recommend a check-up with your doctor if you haven't done so recently. It would be good to rule out any red flags like cholesterol levels, blood pressure, RHR, family history, chest pains? etc. After that clearance, I would not worry about it too much. Keep in mind that your heart rate monitor is averaging things and 'on average' your heart rate may be fine (220-your age is a good max to stay under). Sometimes hr monitors pick up false signals in the gym. More importantly, don't let your hr monitor scare you into not exercising! If you held a constant 179 rate for even a few seconds you would be on the floor gasping for breath. That is an all out 50 yard dash/shovel 3 tons of snow in 30 minutes rate for most people.

    Hmm.. I'm 27 so ideally speaking my max would be around 193. I just got my HRM this week and held a constant 183-185 whenever I did my running portion of my 5K training but I wasn't gasping for breath either. It makes me wonder if there's a more accurate way to test an individual's HR ranges.. suggestions? Do fitness tests help figure this type of info out?
  • 1holegrouper
    1holegrouper Posts: 323 Member
    Just to be safe I would recommend a check-up with your doctor if you haven't done so recently. It would be good to rule out any red flags like cholesterol levels, blood pressure, RHR, family history, chest pains? etc. After that clearance, I would not worry about it too much. Keep in mind that your heart rate monitor is averaging things and 'on average' your heart rate may be fine (220-your age is a good max to stay under). Sometimes hr monitors pick up false signals in the gym. More importantly, don't let your hr monitor scare you into not exercising! If you held a constant 179 rate for even a few seconds you would be on the floor gasping for breath. That is an all out 50 yard dash/shovel 3 tons of snow in 30 minutes rate for most people.

    Hmm.. I'm 27 so ideally speaking my max would be around 193. I just got my HRM this week and held a constant 183-185 whenever I did my running portion of my 5K training but I wasn't gasping for breath either. It makes me wonder if there's a more accurate way to test an individual's HR ranges.. suggestions? Do fitness tests help figure this type of info out?

    I think age, gender and fitness levels all drive what ideal heart rates should be. The 220-age is a rough measure but better than nothing. I should have said on the above "if it were me" LOL. At cruising speed on a long run my HR is usually about 140-150 with occasional blips up to 163 (probably due to hills). Those numbers may appear low but considering I'm 50 that 163 number is fairly close to my suggested max. So, if I shot up to 179 that would be a concern for me and I would probably really feel it. Then, if I shot up to 183-185 like you I'd probably end up at the hospital.

    A good system behind a HR monitor (ex; Polar, Timex, Garmin) can show you how you are progressing over time and hopefully calculates this for you. There are various metrics out there like VO2 max or Lactate Threshold and as they change you can see how your cardiovascular system is increasing in efficiency. Then, you can see on paper that your body is 'loving you back' for being good to it. I would forget about this zone stuff. I think its a gimmick at best. At a marathon, there's not one person there that is worried about what zone they are in.
  • my HR easily hits 170 BPM...i didn't think that this was a massive issue...
  • tross0924
    tross0924 Posts: 909 Member
    Are they sudden spikes like:

    130.. 130.. 130... 179!!! 130, 130 130 130 130 130 130 179! 130 130 130...

    Or is it more like

    130 130 130 135 140 145 150 155 160 170 179 179 179 179 179 179....

    It's like 130 140 145 150 160 175 179 (and then me freaking out and slowing down)

    So I don't think it's the heart rate monitor being defective (it does have a chest strap, it's the polar ft40) or a medial condition, so much as a representation of the fact that I'm actively picking up the pace to burn more calories. I'm not overweight (5'9, 138 or so), but I am probably pretty out of shape.

    But it sounds like maybe 179 isn't terrible? I was reading some other forums and they all seemed to suggest that approaching 180 is too high and would be bad for me.

    My guess is that the "bad for you" stems from the "Oh God! You're working out in the aerobic zone and not the fat burning zone" crowd.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    OK, that makes sense. It's not that it's beating HARD so much as just fast. I mean, I've been working out at this pace regularly before I got the HR monitor and it leaves me breathless but not the point of it being a real issue.

    I guess I should be happy I got the HR monitor to be aware of this though! Plus, to realize how awfully out of shape I really am. Looking forward to getting in better aerobic shape! I think the built in fitness test on the HR monitor must have been a bit generous when it said I was in good shape!

    Some of the target HR calculations put me under 165 though, so I think the formulas must vary a lot in the specifics.

    There was another excellent post on first page as to what it means - unfit aerobic system.

    And it will stay unfit if you always train right at the anaerobic level.

    Now, in terms of weight loss, that is fine if you go about 30 min max. But more than that back to back is hard on your system, and increases chances burning off muscle if not eating enough, especially carbs.

    Here are your zones to use.

    www.calculatenow.biz/sport/heart.php?

    If anaerobic desired for weight loss, keep it at 30 min. Otherwise do aerobic for 60 min.

    If endurance training, or you are doing some heavy lifting, then Fat-burning zone is great for day after intervals or lifting. Aids recovery without killing the needed repair process.
  • Azdak
    Azdak Posts: 8,281 Member
    Just to be safe I would recommend a check-up with your doctor if you haven't done so recently. It would be good to rule out any red flags like cholesterol levels, blood pressure, RHR, family history, chest pains? etc. After that clearance, I would not worry about it too much. Keep in mind that your heart rate monitor is averaging things and 'on average' your heart rate may be fine (220-your age is a good max to stay under). Sometimes hr monitors pick up false signals in the gym. More importantly, don't let your hr monitor scare you into not exercising! If you held a constant 179 rate for even a few seconds you would be on the floor gasping for breath. That is an all out 50 yard dash/shovel 3 tons of snow in 30 minutes rate for most people.

    Hmm.. I'm 27 so ideally speaking my max would be around 193. I just got my HRM this week and held a constant 183-185 whenever I did my running portion of my 5K training but I wasn't gasping for breath either. It makes me wonder if there's a more accurate way to test an individual's HR ranges.. suggestions? Do fitness tests help figure this type of info out?

    Unless you go to a performance laboratory of some type, you are pretty much on your own when it comes to that type of testing. A medical stress test would not be useful--neither the docs nor the techs know how to do max testing anymore and the protocols they use aren't really suitable for that type of testing.

    Potential problems with "do it yourself" max testing (i.e. field tests): there is a risk involved in pushing yourself to that level; depending on age, medical Hx, etc, that risk may be small, but it is there. The biggest problem is that if you are not used to pushing yourself to a max effort, it is likely you will stop before you reach that point. So you end up with a submax result anyway.

    If you really want to fine tune your settings, I would do a progressive program of trying some higher intensities, and monitor both HR and perceived exertion. If you reach levels that are difficult to sustain for even 60 sec, then the heart rate at that level will be pretty close to your upper limit. Not sure you need to have it any closer.
  • SatchGallamax
    SatchGallamax Posts: 549 Member
    When I am running at a good pace where I can breathe well and I feel great, my heart rate is at 183 - consistently. It freaked me out when I first got my HRM, but my doc says I'm fine and if I feel fine, I don't worry about it.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    almost totally forgot the other reason for what might appear to be high HR.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/816391-hrm-warning-in-dry-winter-months
  • midschool22
    midschool22 Posts: 1,267 Member
    Mine always goes that high and stays that high until I am done. how do you know it's too high?

    When you pass out.

    :laugh:
  • midschool22
    midschool22 Posts: 1,267 Member
    http://www.heart.com/heart-rate-chart.html

    Age-predicted maximum heart rate formula:

    WOMEN: 226 - your age = age-adjusted Max HR

    MEN: 220 - your age = age-adjusted Max HR

    I know it's an average but that means Lance Armstrong and I have the same MHR.

    Wanna bet?
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    http://www.heart.com/heart-rate-chart.html

    Age-predicted maximum heart rate formula:

    WOMEN: 226 - your age = age-adjusted Max HR

    MEN: 220 - your age = age-adjusted Max HR

    I know it's an average but that means Lance Armstrong and I have the same MHR.

    Wanna bet?

    Yours could be higher.

    Fitness level doesn't make it higher. Genetics, and then exercising so it doesn't drop with age as those formula's seem to indicate.

    From those formula's, I should be 26 yrs old for my tested HRmax. I my back tells me that ain't so.

    And you don't pass out, you just can't go any faster, harder, and after a bit, can't go any longer either as the lactic acid will catch up.
  • midschool22
    midschool22 Posts: 1,267 Member
    http://www.heart.com/heart-rate-chart.html

    Age-predicted maximum heart rate formula:

    WOMEN: 226 - your age = age-adjusted Max HR

    MEN: 220 - your age = age-adjusted Max HR

    I know it's an average but that means Lance Armstrong and I have the same MHR.

    Wanna bet?

    Yours could be higher.

    Fitness level doesn't make it higher. Genetics, and then exercising so it doesn't drop with age as those formula's seem to indicate.

    From those formula's, I should be 26 yrs old for my tested HRmax. I my back tells me that ain't so.

    And you don't pass out, you just can't go any faster, harder, and after a bit, can't go any longer either as the lactic acid will catch up.

    I know. ;-) I was being snarky. LOL.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    http://www.heart.com/heart-rate-chart.html

    Age-predicted maximum heart rate formula:

    WOMEN: 226 - your age = age-adjusted Max HR

    MEN: 220 - your age = age-adjusted Max HR

    I know it's an average but that means Lance Armstrong and I have the same MHR.

    Wanna bet?

    Yours could be higher.

    Fitness level doesn't make it higher. Genetics, and then exercising so it doesn't drop with age as those formula's seem to indicate.

    From those formula's, I should be 26 yrs old for my tested HRmax. I my back tells me that ain't so.

    And you don't pass out, you just can't go any faster, harder, and after a bit, can't go any longer either as the lactic acid will catch up.

    I know. ;-) I was being snarky. LOL.

    I knew you were, but several posts above yours was all seriousness a comment that you would pass out if reached HRmax.

    So, have you looked up Lance's HRmax to see if you might best it?
  • midschool22
    midschool22 Posts: 1,267 Member
    http://www.heart.com/heart-rate-chart.html

    Age-predicted maximum heart rate formula:

    WOMEN: 226 - your age = age-adjusted Max HR

    MEN: 220 - your age = age-adjusted Max HR

    I know it's an average but that means Lance Armstrong and I have the same MHR.

    Wanna bet?

    Yours could be higher.

    Fitness level doesn't make it higher. Genetics, and then exercising so it doesn't drop with age as those formula's seem to indicate.

    From those formula's, I should be 26 yrs old for my tested HRmax. I my back tells me that ain't so.

    And you don't pass out, you just can't go any faster, harder, and after a bit, can't go any longer either as the lactic acid will catch up.

    I know. ;-) I was being snarky. LOL.

    I knew you were, but several posts above yours was all seriousness a comment that you would pass out if reached HRmax.

    So, have you looked up Lance's HRmax to see if you might best it?

    I remember reading it was 200. Can't remember where I read it though.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    I knew you were, but several posts above yours was all seriousness a comment that you would pass out if reached HRmax.

    So, have you looked up Lance's HRmax to see if you might best it?

    I remember reading it was 200. Can't remember where I read it though.

    Well shoot, here's a comparison of Cadel and Lance, and HRmax not mentioned once.

    VO2max enough times to put me to shame.

    http://www.ridemedia.com.au/?p=7387

    But the original study does say during the ages 21-28 it went from 207 to 200.

    Ok, that's pretty high.

    http://jap.physiology.org/content/98/6/2191

    Makes me wonder what diesel engines like Indurain or Ullrich had.
  • 70davis
    70davis Posts: 348 Member
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