How to not take this as an insult...
msarro
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I want to vent this a little bit. I'm now the 'thinnest' person in my entire family. On Easter while visiting, my brother remarked jokingly "well you got the thin genes in the family." He weighs almost 500lbs, can barely walk, has diabetes, and eats pretty much everything you shouldn't eat - and lots of it. Whenever he talks about losing weight, he chalks it up to genetics; he refuses to see that he DOES have a choice.
His comment has been eating away at me. I laughed it off then, but I've been busting my @$$ for more than 3 years now to get where I am. Its not genetics. Its hard freaking work and determination. And I'm trying to find a way to constructively tell him that. Its really starting to bother me.
Ideas?
His comment has been eating away at me. I laughed it off then, but I've been busting my @$$ for more than 3 years now to get where I am. Its not genetics. Its hard freaking work and determination. And I'm trying to find a way to constructively tell him that. Its really starting to bother me.
Ideas?
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"I didn't get the thin genes. I got the 'get-off-my-*kitten*-and-fit-the-skinny-jeans-genes'"0
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I think the best thing is to say it exactly the way you said it here.
Essentially, say that genetics (by definition) works this way: your family all has the same genes. If it's genetics he wants to use as an excuse, he can't.
I would be really honest about the amount of diet change and time-consuming hard work. It ain't easy...and you did it through WORK, not through some bizarre genetic impossibility.
I had a similar confrontation with someone who said "well, it's easy for you...you're just athletic." After I finished laughing so hard I peed myself, I pulled the before pic out of my purse and set her straight.0 -
Your brother most likely was joking because he is jealous of your accomplishments. However, it won't be until he can get the motivation to just do it to lose the weight also. As you probably know.
I am sure it was his way to compliment you. :flowerforyou:
You have done fantastic.0 -
Simply state that "my feeling were hurt when you said......." I have been working very had to control my weight. Would you like to work out with me? I think that would be fun.
Never start with "you" start with I,My . Then you are not placing blame and he should be less defensive.
Let us know how this works.
By the "weigh" I got the skinny gene too only because I work my A;;;; of every day.
Gail0 -
If your brother truly weighs that much, I'm sure he knows that you know he's not eating lettuce for every meal. Maybe he wants your help but doesn't know how to ask for it. Why not tell him about how hard you work and that your health isn't just about luck?0
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Simply state that "my feeling were hurt when you said......." I have been working very had to control my weight. Would you like to work out with me? I think that would be fun.
Never start with "you" start with I,My . Then you are not placing blame and he should be less defensive.
Let us know how this works.
By the "weigh" I got the skinny gene too only because I work my A;;;; of every day.
Gail0 -
That's very sad that your brother weighs almost 500 pounds and doesn't care enough about his life and his family to want to do something about it. When I see someone in the morbidly obese category shoving Big Macs it makes me want to cry and vomit, not necessarily in that order.
Does he not realize that he could drop dead at any given moment? Does he have kids? I hope not, I wouldn't want them to grow up without their father.
You didn't get the "skinny genes". You got the BRAINS of the family, and he got the "lazy genes".
Good for you for being the thinnest in your family!0 -
e x a c t l y; well said!!!!!!!!!!"I didn't get the thin genes. I got the 'get-off-my-*kitten*-and-fit-the-skinny-jeans-genes'"0
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Agreed, tell him exactly what you just told us. Just because he is 500 pounds doesn't mean you have to sugar coat it (LOL OK, that is funny)...He is isnt being realistic and its ok to call him on it.0
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The physique you have built is dependent only on 5% genetics... the other 95% is equal to 80% proper nutrition and 15% exercise. Tell him that... it is true.0
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Simply state that "my feeling were hurt when you said......." I have been working very had to control my weight. Would you like to work out with me? I think that would be fun.
Never start with "you" start with I,My . Then you are not placing blame and he should be less defensive.
Let us know how this works.
By the "weigh" I got the skinny gene too only because I work my A;;;; of every day.
Gail
Great advice.
"I statements" really work. "I feel....." instead of "You ....."
Tell him that statement hurt your feelings and has been bothering you.
Emphasize how much work this has taken, and let him know you'd be glad to help him along the same journey.
Tell him there may not be any "skinny genes" in your family but it's fun to wear "skinny jeans"!0 -
To tell him that you are where you are is not because of "thin genes" but rather because of a lot hard work and determination shouldn't even be viewed as an insult. You got the same genes he did. You worked your butt off to get where you are. The truth is, with him being in that kind of shape, it was probably a lot easier on his own ego and self esteem to say that because it isnt always easy to take that first step to get ourselves back in shape. We all know that, that is why we are here. He has seen that in you but is still where he is at with no change. You have to realize that in all actuality, his comment was way more about himself and less about you. You could try talking to him about that and also let him know that his comment to you hurt your feelings and made you feel that your great accomplishment was trivial to him. You could also let him know that it wasnt easy buy very much worth it and that you will be more than glad to help him with his journey when he is ready to start taking the steps.0
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Well, if I'm reading your ticker right, you've lost almost 150 lbs??? So how anyone can pass that off as just 'good genes' is beyond me. But in all honesty, it sounds like this is much more about your brother than it is about you -- he isn't ready to take on his own journey, and he's built himself a safe place where he doesn't need to. And your success intrudes on that place -- because if you can do it, why can't he? But he's not ready to go there yet.
The most I would suggest is just being honest with him the way you were here, say it bothers you that it seems like he is discrediting all the hard work you've put in ... tell him a little about what your life is like now and the changes you've made. But I wouldn't attach him over it. I'm sure there was a time in all of our lives where we made our own share of excuses and it's not bad to show a little compassion.0 -
What about inviting him to work out with you, or have you train him? Maybe he just needs support and motivation. It would also have the affect of showing him how much effort you've put in to get where you are! I would avoid saying anything that would truly hurt him.0
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That is a tough one to handle. You just hope that some day he will look at you and want to be more like you. Are you two close? Do you think approaching him and talking to him about it might upset him or help him? It is all in what you really want to do about it.
My story with my mother is I want her to live a long and healthy life. I try to talk to her about it all the time, but it goes in one ear and out the other. It is so frustrating. She has seen my transformation and is very happy for me and I so want the same thing for her. I completely understand where you are coming from.
Maybe if you sit down with him and explain why you are the only one in your family without diabetes and ask if he wants help to beat it as well. I wish I had more encouraging words for you.
On another note, congrats on your new and beautiful lifestyle. Keep up the AWESOME work. :bigsmile:0 -
It's hard to convince someone that is way overwieght that they need to care about what they eat and to excersize. If they have no motivation for themselves to look and feel better and just generally be healthy...then they just think people are nagging.
However, I would tell him the same as you have explained to us, here at MFP.
Tell him you would like to know that you are going to have a long healthy relationship with him.
I know that would work for me.
Good luck,
Sandy0 -
By him laughing at you, thats him crying out for help and a little jealousy . You should try talking to him and make him understand that he is killing himself. I have the same problems with my sisiters and they also make a lot of excuses and joke about me. heck they will sit right in front of me and eat an ice cream they think they are hurting me but in reality they are hurting themselves. Its a difficult situation but they really need the help your brother might get on your nerves and insult you till he is done but dont give on him. He will eventually come to his senses.0
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My brother has been bothering me exactly the same way. Yes, I had a bit of an advantage over him (we were both underweight infants and the docs told my mom to fatten us up, which she did with him and then ignored with me b/c my brother was already an overweight 3-year-old!) but I also am working my at-money-money off to try and get myself healthy! It really irked me over the holidays when I suggested that while we sit there watching tv, we could do 10 sit-ups/crunches/push-ups/whatever every time one of those stupid weight-loss commercials came on, which is something I actually do. He flat-out said that he didn't want to and then got grumpy with me. WELL!! THERE YA GO!! :grumble:
Good luck with your brother, let me know if you figure out something that he responds to instead of shutting down :ohwell:0 -
Rather than telling him to stop being lazy and telling him he is greedy etc (because that will achieve nothing except offending him back) I think you are in a perfect position to mentor your brother into weight loss and improved health. You are the example for him to follow. Motivate him and show him that he can have a better life; explain its about small and continued lifestyle changes. Once he starts to lose weight it should be the motivation he needs to continue. I'm a firm believer in learning through action and example. I don't think just saying you're fat/big because you eat too much and dont move will do anything. I say this as someone who used to be morbidly obese. As much as it is in his control to change things, he will feel like its not. He will need a lot of support and understanding to reclaim his body back. As his brother I would want to do everything I can to help him to achieve that.
(Anyway, fat genes just leave you predisposed to put on weight (so you put it on more easily than someone without a fat gene) they are not the actual cause of obesity in and of itself so his comments are not valid on that basis)0 -
"I didn't get the thin genes. I got the 'get-off-my-*kitten*-and-fit-the-skinny-jeans-genes'"
i like this way!! lol screw being nice and get straight to the point!0 -
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you weight before you got to where you are now. If you weighed as much as he does now, then he knows it's not genetics. That's just his excuse.
If it were me, (and this is just the way I am, I can only take so much). I wouldn't say anything until he brings it up again and then I'd let him have it. He sounds to me like he's lazy and just wants people to feel sorry for him. If he is around you a lot, then he has seen how hard you have worked on losing the weight and the will power you need to stay focused. Maybe he can learn something from that.0 -
Sounds like a cry for help from your brother. Inside I'm sure he's not happen about his condition but he doesn't believe he can overcome his weight and so comments like that are his way of trying to accept his condition through fatalism.
Being serious about my weight for only about 4 months has made me realize that this is a game of time. In the beginning it seems really hard but it isn't too hard, the hardest thing is to put in the time and keep it up. I know at the rate of eating and activity I'm putting in, I just need more time, another 6 months, another year, the rest of my life, of continuing to do the right thing.
I'd suggest you try to motivate him, let him know that he has the same genes as you and that even if he might not believe it now, he can improve his health and he can bring his weight under control He definitely wants to lose it but he's got close to 400+ lbs of fat on his body telling him to give up before even trying.
I'd suggest you make a bet with him that if he can follow a routine set up by you for 2 months, he will overcome "his genetics" enough to see some weight-loss.0 -
Some people make fun of others when they are insecure. Ask him if he wants your help. Tell him that it will be for the best. No need to be negative with him about the situation.
Trust me Communication is the Key!
Good luck.0 -
My family and my husband's family uses the same excuse. They always love to point out when you gain weight, but never say a word about us losing weight. When we're working hard to take it off and eating right, they say we're not living, or we're crazy. What's worse is that they don't want to hear that we've been losing weight through watching what we eat and exercise. They want to think there's some magic behind, then they come up with the excuses on why they can't lose weight. I figure it's just that misery loves company.0
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I want to vent this a little bit. I'm now the 'thinnest' person in my entire family. On Easter while visiting, my brother remarked jokingly "well you got the thin genes in the family." He weighs almost 500lbs, can barely walk, has diabetes, and eats pretty much everything you shouldn't eat - and lots of it. Whenever he talks about losing weight, he chalks it up to genetics; he refuses to see that he DOES have a choice.
His comment has been eating away at me. I laughed it off then, but I've been busting my @$$ for more than 3 years now to get where I am. Its not genetics. Its hard freaking work and determination. And I'm trying to find a way to constructively tell him that. Its really starting to bother me.
Ideas?
This could have been said out of dissapointment with himself, jealousy, anger at himself, any number of things. First off, I would not take it personal what so ever. Family is always going to be the hardest on you and may not show excitment the way you feel you deserve.
Your brother could say it is genetis because this makes him accept his weight and where he is. I'm sure mentally he knows that he is the source of the problem. And with your great achievement and weight loss, he very well could say this out loud truly because he is embarrased. Instead of getting offended and mad at him, I think you need to realize that everyones' brain works differently and maybe he thinks that getting healthy is not an option for him. Even though that is not true, that could be very well how he feels.
I think you should mentor him and talk to him and help him. Do not force it, it has to be a change he makes on his own, but by you supporting him and being there for him might change his way of thinking and help him realize tha the can make the change too.
But do not expect him to praise you and congratulate you. It may not be possible or easy for him to do.0 -
Personaly, I think its a cop out on his behalf. Unless you two live far away, and he hasn't seen you working to lose the weight, than he was choosing to ignore your hard work. Instead he insulted you by indicating that it was "your skinny genes" that did it. LameO!!! He's just jealous that your smaller than he is, and instead of wanting to do the same, he choses to bury his head in his plate of food, and act like he can't control what he eats.
You worked hard for this. Its taken you years to do this and your doing a great job. Don't let his comments knock you off track okay? Maybe someday, he'll get tired of feeling like poo and come to you for advice..0 -
If you don't mind me asking, how much did you weight before you got to where you are now. If you weighed as much as he does now, then he knows it's not genetics. That's just his excuse.
If it were me, (and this is just the way I am, I can only take so much). I wouldn't say anything until he brings it up again and then I'd let him have it. He sounds to me like he's lazy and just wants people to feel sorry for him. If he is around you a lot, then he has seen how hard you have worked on losing the weight and the will power you need to stay focused. Maybe he can learn something from that.
I peaked at 325lbs in december 2006. Since then I've been working constantly.
He does have two children, and sadly he lives about an hour and a half away. I could give him some advice (and I would love to make sure my nephews have their dad for a very long time), but as much as it breaks my heart to say this, I don't think he'd do it. He tends to... not stick with things. That's part of whats eating at me.0 -
I would very clearly make your point that you have worked really really hard and it wasn't as much "genetics" from your parents as maybe habits. His insult was clearly an excuse for himself.
That said... Be Gentle. My biggest pet peeve of people wanting me to change is they assume I am a "kick-in-the-butt" type of person like they are. When people get aggressive about something or make me feel bad it just makes whatever my problem is EVEN HARDER.0 -
You've done an awesome job.
You said your the thinnest of your family. So where are you getting the thin genes from?
You made your mind up and made changes to help your health. We all know we can't force someone to change, unless they WANT to change.
I think everyone that's been obese thinks it's very overwhelming to lose weight. Think of us that are 50-100lbs overweight, and think how some of us felt before we started. Your brother is alot heavier and probably feels that there's nothing he can do, and since he can barely walk probably feels that he can't exercise, and probably not sure where to even start to lose weight.
Like others said. Commiunicate. If you two are close to each other.
Have a private conversation with each other (nobody else around to mingle), and tell him how you feel.
Explain to him your hard time getting to where you are, give him confidence that HE CAN DO IT and that you also want him around for another 50 years.
Tell him how you felt BEFORE you started losing weight, and you can remind him of your before picture.
Explain to him that it's hard at first, but gets easier, ie Can only walk for 5-10 mins, next week 15-20 mins etc.
I think one of the best gifts you can give him, is to help him out take those first few baby steps. Help him with right food choices, put some kind of exercise routine for him that he's able to do.
Good luck!
Edit: Just saw your other response.
Not being able to stick with it. I think we all get that feeling. It's the CHOICE we make whether we quit, or we stick with it.
Perhaps show him other success stories. Other people who have lost 100+lbs.0 -
well hun, either you just up right tell him, cause of the way he is eating... he will die sooner. and i dont think you would want him to die. i mean... my brother is almost dying from diabetes and he isnt even 300 lbs he is like 250. he still eats the way he does... and doesnt watch over his health... and he got a wife that just cooks him food even then i dont think she realizes. even though she is with him all the time... sad part is that i cant see him anymore... so i dont know how he is doing now. but according to my other brother and sis in law they told me he wasnt looking so well. like he had noooo energy. he can barely see from one of his eyes. and one of his leg is basically has no blood going through. (lucky he can still walk) i dont think you want your brother to end up like that. it would suck. ummm.... so i would be upfront about it. and if he doesnt take it well... then be an example. or just show him why you lost some much weight from working your *kitten* off
cause if you did it. he might take a second chance before its to late.
Edit: DONT LET ANYONE TAKE YOUR DREAMS OR YOUR HARD WORK OF EFFORT CAUSE OF A STUPID FAMILY'S COMMENT!!! it would be bad if you quit then you would just gain it all back... and wouldnt be happy like you are now.0
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