Vegan Diet

I think it's because some vegans tend to wear their diet on their sleeves and project an air of ethical superiority.
That brings out the troll in many non-vegans.

Yeah, because the people who actually live by a vegan diet have a "skewed" view on things. No more a messed up view than anyone who doesn't live by it. Like I said, if OP wants to know, they should just try it out themselves and not worry about anyone else.
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"Skewed" isn't "messed up". "Skewed" means "biased". The OP is looking for a difference of opinions. If you really believe she shouldn't be listening to other people's experiences then I'm not sure why you responded.

Anyway.

I spent 8 years as a vegetarian, 1 as a vegan. I currently don't eat a lot of meat, I can go a couple of days without meat in my diet, and it's usually something like chicken or fish. Red meat occasionally. I have so much more energy and alertness on days that I have adequate protein and would never go back to restricting myself to veganism.

I dont think MFP is the best place to ask this. People on here are *kitten* when it comes to it. Try going into one of the vegan groups on here and asking. Or better yet, try it out and see for yourself.

The OP did ask if people hated the vegan diet. No one has been an *kitten* so far that I've seen, but if you want a skewed opinion on whether or not to start a vegan diet, a vegan group is definitely the place to go

I think it's because some vegans tend to wear their diet on their sleeves and project an air of ethical superiority.
That brings out the troll in many non-vegans.

its a shame however that the trolls come even if there is no sense of superiority. I dont feel superior to anyone, but I am proud of the fact that no animals are killed or harmed to make food for me. Dont see how that is any different that people being proud of hunting or fishing conquests. and often it is the omnis who ACT all sanctimonious...not the veggie lovers...

I dont think MFP is the best place to ask this. People on here are *kitten* when it comes to it. Try going into one of the vegan groups on here and asking. Or better yet, try it out and see for yourself.

The OP did ask if people hated the vegan diet. No one has been an *kitten* so far that I've seen, but if you want a skewed opinion on whether or not to start a vegan diet, a vegan group is definitely the place to go

I think it's because some vegans tend to wear their diet on their sleeves and project an air of ethical superiority.
That brings out the troll in many non-vegans.

its a shame however that the trolls come even if there is no sense of superiority. I dont feel superior to anyone, but I am proud of the fact that no animals are killed or harmed to make food for me. Dont see how that is any different that people being proud of hunting or fishing conquests. and often it is the omnis who ACT all sanctimonious...not the veggie lovers...

I don't like either of those.
Food is a requirement not a bragging point. Unless you are a good chef of course...

I've been vegan for almost two years now and have not complaints. I thought giving up cheese was going to be hard, but it really wasn't bad for me. I am also a runner and this year I have run the fastest in all distances, including the marathon and attribute it to my diet.

I do believe that there is a food plan that works for everyone, you just need to try and find what works for you.

I dont think MFP is the best place to ask this. People on here are *kitten* when it comes to it. Try going into one of the vegan groups on here and asking. Or better yet, try it out and see for yourself.

Yeah unfortunately I tend to have my hackles up when these threads appear too. There seem to be just a handful of omnis who feel the need to post some ignorant/antagonizing response when these threads appear though. So while I totally understand this ^ response we should probably just not feed the trolls (I'm guilty of this btw :blushing: ).

To all the omnis who wonder why we talk about it. Firstly, corpse-eating is assumed (it is the convention). We have to talk about it so that we will not get fed meat and we need to share recipes and ideas since we don't have as many resources as corpse-eaters. People on a plant based diet are in the minority (i.e. just like any minority we do not hold the majority of power). I hope someday you will join us in living a more compassionate life so we can be in the majority and make the entire world a better place--but that day has not yet arrived. We also believe in the plant based diet for a variety of reasons some of these "reasons" are actually undeniable facts (that some omnis like to argue but it does not change that we are talking about facts not feelings). Two of the most important facts are:

1. Factory farming is detrimental to the environment. So if you were happily chomping on corpse in your little polluted corner of the world without contaminating our backyard and skies then we would care less about this part. But the reality is that your choices are contributing to overall environmental sickness and that impacts every aspect of our lives and it affects all of us, our children, grandchildren etc.

2. Factory farming practices tortures animals. These lovely creatures are fully developed beings with nerve endings and emotions. The facts are they feel pain.

So if omnis would first own up to these two things ^ and consider having a conversation about these issues we'd be far less agitated. I don't think all omnis are the same just as I don't think all veg. are the same. I think there are ways to buy more ethically raise meat (and probably more compassionate ways to slaughter). I also understand that in some parts of the world (and possibly even some remote areas in the US) a veg diet is impossible for some. So not all omnis are the same I see being mindful as an improvement (and I'd be willing to wager most veg. would agree). In most of the world we are lucky enough to have the choice. But unfortunately in these same places we acquire most of our meat through factory farming ---which has become brutal. So I don't know how to get around the brutal treatment and the slaughter. Perhaps omnis could consider only consuming meat grown from cells in a pertri dish? I have read that tests are being conducted to grow meat (sans central nervous system) this way, and I think this is an improvement.

So the bottom line is if you believe that pollution and torture are both bad things then you would have to also agree that without effective solutions to those 2 main problems^ a veg. diet is a better option. <---- so keeping this in mind, I believe some omnis feel guilty about these facts but instead of owning their choices or changing their habits they make comments like "veg. folks think they are better" (not so dissimilar from heavier people criticizing thinner people because they don't have the discipline and/or stick-to-it-ness to get there themselves even though it is exactly what they desire). So those omnis who criticize veg. for being "uppity" are simply projecting their own insecurities onto us to make excuses as to why they can't/won't change and to rationalize their consumption. It is an age old practice to fool oneself this way. I don't think veg. are fundamentally better than anyone else---anyone can be veg. But people with the ability to think logically do understand when given an array of options some choices are simply better and then some are worse (but worse is often easier thus it's large following). :flowerforyou:

Yeah, many of us "omnis" are against factory farming.

"Corpse-eating" is a hilarious term, definitely makes you sound like a sane and rational person to argue with civilly. You sure have a lot of hatred, gingerveg.

Try not to humanize animals

lol. Humans are animals too.

Edit to add: If you do go vegan, just make sure you do your research and keep a varied diet. There are lots of vegan junk foods and it's easy to end up replacing meat with extra pasta or bread and miss out on essential nutrients. It may be easier to ease in and go vegetarian first.

Here we go again...:grumble:

This.

Yeah, many of us "omnis" are against factory farming.

"Corpse-eating" is a hilarious term, definitely makes you sound like a sane and rational person to argue with civilly. You sure have a lot of hatred, gingerveg.

um..its an accurate term really. it IS what meat eaters are eating....

I was a vegetarian for four years, and always used meat replacement, but felt and looked awful. I had no energy, felt faint and weak all the time and looked pale. That's just my opinion, but I will never, ever go back to it, even though I do often find the idea of eating animals a little upsetting. I think meat, and dairy products, are natural and healthy.

Out of curiosity, what was the rest of your diet like? You might have a gluten/soy intolerance so using "meat replacements", which are largely gluten/soy products, as sole sources of protein, that may have been what caused you to feel so awful.

I dont think MFP is the best place to ask this. People on here are *kitten* when it comes to it. Try going into one of the vegan groups on here and asking. Or better yet, try it out and see for yourself.

The OP did ask if people hated the vegan diet. No one has been an *kitten* so far that I've seen, but if you want a skewed opinion on whether or not to start a vegan diet, a vegan group is definitely the place to go

Yeah, because the people who actually live by a vegan diet have a "skewed" view on things. No more a messed up view than anyone who doesn't live by it. Like I said, if OP wants to know, they should just try it out themselves and not worry about anyone else.

I want to point out that meat-eating is the default in the US. Like most dominant traits/behaviors, its skew is invisible to most people simply because it is dominant.

I started eating Vegan at the end of March 2012 after watching Forks over Knives and having had to schedule a bilateral mastectomy for 1st stage of breast cancer. I was so lucky they caught it early. It is difficult eating in restaurants and no animal foods are allowed if you decide to choose vegan. This means that you eat nothing that had a mother or had eyes. That includes all the usual foods; fish, eggs, meat, milk, cheese, etc. The biggest drawback to be honest is that most restaurants are not able to cope with this although more and more are adding vegan dishes to their menus. One near me did add 2 new vegan dishes when I provided them with a menu from a Vegan restaurant in NYC. The owner said 15 years ago he never would have listened to my friend and I but he was getting so many requests from diners who are afraid to eat animal products that cause illnesses and told his wait staff that there was nothing on the menu that could be considered a complete meal.
Mediterranean restaurants have many more; hummus, chick peas, etc. grilled vegetables, polenta, sweet potatoes, etc.
My face has cleared up completely, my skin looks much better.

I am having trouble getting enough caicum in any diet I choose. What do you eat to get enough each week.