Diet fizzy pop

I was wondering if diet fizzy pop such as pepsi max, diet coke and dr pepper zero, have a big impact on a diet? there is very little or no sugar/fat/calories but I've heard people say that fizzy drinks are the worst thing to drink when dieting! help?
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  • teamstanish
    teamstanish Posts: 274 Member
    Two new studies have found that even diet sodas can make you gain weight and become fat.

    The studies were presented Saturday (June 25) at the meeting of the American Diabetes Association.

    The first study looked into data from 474 participants of the San Antonio Longitudinal Study of Aging (SALSA), a large population-based study of the disablement process in elderly Mexican Americans and European Americans.

    Measures of height, weight, waist size and diet soda intake were recorded at the SALSA enrollment and then again at three follow-up exams over the following ten years.

    The study discovered that people who drank two or more diet sodas daily had their waist size increase six times greater than people who did not drink diet soda at all.

    A second study from the University of Texas found that aspartame, a sweetener frequently used in diet soda, increased blood sugar levels in diabetes-prone mice.

    Data from this and other prospective studies suggest that the promotion of diet sodas and artificial sweeteners as healthy alternatives may be ill-advised... they may be free of calories, but not of consequences, stated study researcher Helen P. Hazuda, Ph.D.

    A study published earlier this year found that people who drink beverages (diet or regular) daily have higher chances of suffering strokes and heart attacks.

    In the United States, the number of people who consume foods with artificial sweeteners (like diet soda) has doubled to 160 million during the past 20 years.
    (Source:http://www.ibtimes.com/diet-sodas-linked-larger-waist-circumference-294793)

    Mouse study:
    Aspartame consumption in diabetes-prone mice
    In the related project, Ganesh Halade, Ph.D., Gabriel Fernandes, Ph.D., the senior author and professor of rheumatology and clinical immunology, and Fowler studied the relationship between oral exposure to aspartame and fasting glucose and insulin levels in 40 diabetes-prone mice. Aspartame is an artificial sweetener widely used in diet sodas and other products.
    One group of the mice ate chow to which both aspartame and corn oil were added; the other group ate chow with the corn oil added but not the aspartame. After three months on this high-fat diet, the mice in the aspartame group showed elevated fasting glucose levels but equal or diminished insulin levels, consistent with early declines in pancreatic beta-cell function. The difference in insulin levels between the groups was not statistically significant. Beta cells make insulin, the hormone that lowers blood sugar after a meal. Imbalance ultimately leads to diabetes.
    "These results suggest that heavy aspartame exposure might potentially directly contribute to increased blood glucose levels, and thus contribute to the associations observed between diet soda consumption and the risk of diabetes in humans," Dr. Fernandes said.

    These two translational research studies resulted from collaboration between Fowler and Drs. Hazuda and Fernandes and their research teams. The Institute for the Integration of Medicine and Science (IIMS) funded the work. IIMS is the Health Science Center entity that oversees the university's Clinical and Translational Science Award (CTSA), a National Institutes of Health-funded program to encourage the rapid translation of scientific discoveries from the laboratory through the testing process and to practical application for the health of communities.
    (Source:http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110627183944.htm)



    Bottom line, 0 calorie is not 0 consequence!
  • wow! I think it's best I steer clear of all fizzy drinks then, even the diet stuff!
  • Chief_Rocka
    Chief_Rocka Posts: 4,710 Member
    They're fine. The negative things you hear are based on claims about artificial sweeteners that ignore dosage and context.
  • JUDDDing
    JUDDDing Posts: 1,367 Member
    I'm not a mouse - so, you know - your mileage may vary - but they don't do anything to my blood sugar.
  • Tw1zzler
    Tw1zzler Posts: 583
    There is a theory that the artificial sugar tricks the brain into thinking it really had sugar.. but there is no satiety to go along with it which causes you to rebound and eat more food later. I'm sorry i can't quote the source. Tracking your diet and seeing your results should tell you how if affects you. I personally lost a few pounds when I stopped drinking soda... especially when mixed with rum...
  • I'm always skeptical when I see studies like those because they don't establish causation. We don't know if the study accounted for the general diet of it's participants for example. I saw another one today about diet drinks being linked to depression. I'm not saying diet drinks are good for you, but if you don't drink them excessively you're probably not going to die.
  • 2essie
    2essie Posts: 2,861 Member
    I was on vacation in USA and overheard a woman talking. She was someone very high up in Coca Cola. She was telling the person she was talking to to never drink coke because it was the worst thing ever to drink. Full of chemicals and things that were not good for you. She said she would never touch it. I have never drunk it since.
  • fIashforward
    fIashforward Posts: 66 Member
    Simply put; its not better than water but its better than regular drinks (for weightloss anyway)
  • Rosie5230
    Rosie5230 Posts: 14 Member
    If you just like fizzy drinks. Arrowhead makes a fizzy water with lime flavor. no sugar, no sugar substitute, no calories, no nothing. and it tastes great. also la croix makes great fizzy water the same way.
  • nicolamoonbrains
    nicolamoonbrains Posts: 72 Member
    Two new studies have found that even diet sodas can make you gain weight and become fat.

    The studies were presented Saturday (June 25) at the meeting of the American Diabetes Association.

    The first study looked into data from 474 participants of the San Antonio Longitudinal Study of Aging (SALSA), a large population-based study of the disablement process in elderly Mexican Americans and European Americans.

    Measures of height, weight, waist size and diet soda intake were recorded at the SALSA enrollment and then again at three follow-up exams over the following ten years.

    The study discovered that people who drank two or more diet sodas daily had their waist size increase six times greater than people who did not drink diet soda at all.

    A second study from the University of Texas found that aspartame, a sweetener frequently used in diet soda, increased blood sugar levels in diabetes-prone mice.

    Data from this and other prospective studies suggest that the promotion of diet sodas and artificial sweeteners as healthy alternatives may be ill-advised... they may be free of calories, but not of consequences, stated study researcher Helen P. Hazuda, Ph.D.

    A study published earlier this year found that people who drink beverages (diet or regular) daily have higher chances of suffering strokes and heart attacks.

    In the United States, the number of people who consume foods with artificial sweeteners (like diet soda) has doubled to 160 million during the past 20 years.
    (Source:http://www.ibtimes.com/diet-sodas-linked-larger-waist-circumference-294793)

    Mouse study:
    Aspartame consumption in diabetes-prone mice
    In the related project, Ganesh Halade, Ph.D., Gabriel Fernandes, Ph.D., the senior author and professor of rheumatology and clinical immunology, and Fowler studied the relationship between oral exposure to aspartame and fasting glucose and insulin levels in 40 diabetes-prone mice. Aspartame is an artificial sweetener widely used in diet sodas and other products.
    One group of the mice ate chow to which both aspartame and corn oil were added; the other group ate chow with the corn oil added but not the aspartame. After three months on this high-fat diet, the mice in the aspartame group showed elevated fasting glucose levels but equal or diminished insulin levels, consistent with early declines in pancreatic beta-cell function. The difference in insulin levels between the groups was not statistically significant. Beta cells make insulin, the hormone that lowers blood sugar after a meal. Imbalance ultimately leads to diabetes.
    "These results suggest that heavy aspartame exposure might potentially directly contribute to increased blood glucose levels, and thus contribute to the associations observed between diet soda consumption and the risk of diabetes in humans," Dr. Fernandes said.

    These two translational research studies resulted from collaboration between Fowler and Drs. Hazuda and Fernandes and their research teams. The Institute for the Integration of Medicine and Science (IIMS) funded the work. IIMS is the Health Science Center entity that oversees the university's Clinical and Translational Science Award (CTSA), a National Institutes of Health-funded program to encourage the rapid translation of scientific discoveries from the laboratory through the testing process and to practical application for the health of communities.
    (Source:http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110627183944.htm)



    Bottom line, 0 calorie is not 0 consequence!


    This.

    Steer clear of all artificial sweeteners, diet or no diet if you ask me. They slow your metabolism down. Especially avoid aspartame. Avoid diet sodas, chewing gum and some low fat yogurts they are full of these vile sweeteners. When your body tries to break down aspartame it metabolizes into methanol which then converts into formaldehyde. Basically its poison. I personally cannot stand the taste and am super sensitive to the taste of it since I stopped ingesting it. Just tastes like pure chemicals to me. It is actually better for you to have the full fat and sugar products because at least your body can break down the sugars naturally. Your body doesn't know how to cope with all those fake sweet chemicals, 200 times sweeter then sugar! YUCK!! AVOID!!
  • MidwestAngel
    MidwestAngel Posts: 1,897 Member
    They're fine. The negative things you hear are based on claims about artificial sweeteners that ignore dosage and context.
    I can't quote this enough!
  • drmerc
    drmerc Posts: 2,603 Member
    I fear for mankind
  • Effects of Methanol: About 10 percent by weight of aspartame is released as methanol. In the body, methanol converts into formaldehyde and formate. Because formate can cause blindness and metabolic acidosis [Tephly and McMartin, 1984], methanol is toxic when humans consume it in large quantities. In order for the body to accumulate a significant amount of formate, a human must consume 200 to 500 mg of methanol per kg of body weight [Food and Drug Administration, 1984], an amount that corresponds to drinking 600 to 1700 cans of diet soft drink at once.

    http://elvis.engr.wisc.edu/uer/uer98/author2/content.html
  • RhonndaJ
    RhonndaJ Posts: 1,615 Member
    No. They don't.

    What the posted studies don't tell you is what the heck the people were eating along with the diet sodas.

    As for the mice? Eh. I'm not a mouse.

    When it comes to artificial sweeteners, if you're sensitive to them, don't use stuff with them. If you're not sensitive, I doubt they're going to hurt you in the slightest, there's certainly been to studies to say otherwise.
  • DontStopB_Leakin
    DontStopB_Leakin Posts: 3,863 Member
    I'm not quoting the wall of text "studies" but I will say this:

    Check out my ticker. You see that big, shiny number? Yea, I got to that big, shiny number drinking about 2-4 diet sodas a day.
  • AliciaStaton
    AliciaStaton Posts: 328 Member
    Like anything else its all in moderation
  • MoreBean13
    MoreBean13 Posts: 8,701 Member
    Drink it, and if you find yourself unable to lose weight, eliminate it and see if that helps.

    My 93 year old grandmother drinks it daily. I will give it up when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
  • MidwestAngel
    MidwestAngel Posts: 1,897 Member
    I'm not quoting the wall of text "studies" but I will say this:

    Check out my ticker. You see that big, shiny number? Yea, I got to that big, shiny number drinking about 2-4 diet sodas a day.

    Make sure to add her, she is super motivational. I mean, look at how much she has lost!
  • pastryari
    pastryari Posts: 8,646 Member
    I'm not quoting the wall of text "studies" but I will say this:

    Check out my ticker. You see that big, shiny number? Yea, I got to that big, shiny number drinking about 2-4 diet sodas a day.

    Don't listen to her. She's not real, she's a robot.
  • MidwestAngel
    MidwestAngel Posts: 1,897 Member
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  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,207 Member
    I posted this in another thread but I think it's appropriate here.
    There was another 2studies done on diet drinks, these as well were observational using food questionnaires like the one above.

    The 1st study showed that people that were obese, drank more than 3 times as much diet pop than people with normal weight, linking diet pop to weight gain.

    In the other study, same parameters they found that obese people that lost more than 15% of their body weight in the last year drank 4 times as much diet pop as people of normal BMI.

    In an interview 1 Dr. was asked what he made of these findings and was quoted saying" We enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
  • Crankstr
    Crankstr Posts: 3,958 Member
    alarmists will say dont drink it.

    I say...meh
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    I'm probably not going to make any friends from this post, so no offense everyone:

    This thread is a bunch of alarmism.

    Using epidemiological studies to show that people on diet soda got fatter, and therefore diet soda makes you fat, is pretty far-reaching if you ask me.
    Steer clear of all artificial sweeteners, diet or no diet if you ask me. They slow your metabolism down. Especially avoid aspartame. Avoid diet sodas, chewing gum and some low fat yogurts they are full of these vile sweeteners. When your body tries to break down aspartame it metabolizes into methanol which then converts into formaldehyde. Basically its poison

    Your body produces formaldehyde and it is NOT a poison in doses typically seen in humans and it's certainly not toxic from people who drink a few diet sodas.. Formaldehyde metabolizes into formic acid and formic acid is excreted without causing harm.

    You know who should steer clear of aspartame? People with phenylketonuria because they can't metabolize phenylalanine, which is one of the amino acids in aspartame.

    Beyond that I don't see reason to fear it.

    Your body doesn't know how to cope with all those fake sweet chemicals,

    Also incorrect. Aspartame is metabolized into phenylalanine and aspartic acid and methanol. Phenylalanine and Aspartic Acid are amino acids found in regular food items (check out the contents in chicken and bananas for example) and methanol converts into formaldehyde in the liver via dehydrogenase.



    Edit:
    Effects of Methanol: About 10 percent by weight of aspartame is released as methanol. In the body, methanol converts into formaldehyde and formate. Because formate can cause blindness and metabolic acidosis [Tephly and McMartin, 1984], methanol is toxic when humans consume it in large quantities. In order for the body to accumulate a significant amount of formate, a human must consume 200 to 500 mg of methanol per kg of body weight [Food and Drug Administration, 1984], an amount that corresponds to drinking 600 to 1700 cans of diet soft drink at once

    http://elvis.engr.wisc.edu/uer/uer98/author2/content.html

    ^ And this would be a good example of dose/context-- good post. This is why you can't take research using ridiculous doses delivered via injection and extrapolate that to say "better not drink that can of soda".
  • Beastette
    Beastette Posts: 1,497 Member
    Thought this said, "diet fizzy poop". Was gonna refer you to this guy I know...kind of an expert. Now, I got nuthin'.
  • Crankstr
    Crankstr Posts: 3,958 Member
    I'm probably not going to make any friends from this post, so no offense everyone:

    This thread is a bunch of alarmism.

    Using epidemiological studies to show that people on diet soda got fatter, and therefore diet soda makes you fat, is pretty far-reaching if you ask me.
    Steer clear of all artificial sweeteners, diet or no diet if you ask me. They slow your metabolism down. Especially avoid aspartame. Avoid diet sodas, chewing gum and some low fat yogurts they are full of these vile sweeteners. When your body tries to break down aspartame it metabolizes into methanol which then converts into formaldehyde. Basically its poison

    Your body produces formaldehyde and it is NOT a poison. Formaldehyde metabolizes into formic acid and formic acid is excreted without causing harm.

    You know who should steer clear of aspartame? People with phenylketonuria because they can't metabolize phenylalanine, which is one of the amino acids in aspartame.

    Beyond that I don't see reason to fear it.

    Your body doesn't know how to cope with all those fake sweet chemicals,

    Also incorrect. Aspartame is metabolized into phenylalanine and aspartic acid and methanol. Phenylalanine and Aspartic Acid are amino acids found in regular food items (check out the contents in chicken and bananas for example) and methanol converts into formaldehyde in the liver via dehydrogenase.

    *swoon*
    science
  • LittleMiss_WillLoseIt
    LittleMiss_WillLoseIt Posts: 1,373 Member
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    I LOVE you!!
  • Beastette
    Beastette Posts: 1,497 Member
    I'm probably not going to make any friends from this post, so no offense everyone:

    This thread is a bunch of alarmism.

    Using epidemiological studies to show that people on diet soda got fatter, and therefore diet soda makes you fat, is pretty far-reaching if you ask me.
    Steer clear of all artificial sweeteners, diet or no diet if you ask me. They slow your metabolism down. Especially avoid aspartame. Avoid diet sodas, chewing gum and some low fat yogurts they are full of these vile sweeteners. When your body tries to break down aspartame it metabolizes into methanol which then converts into formaldehyde. Basically its poison

    Your body produces formaldehyde and it is NOT a poison. Formaldehyde metabolizes into formic acid and formic acid is excreted without causing harm.

    You know who should steer clear of aspartame? People with phenylketonuria because they can't metabolize phenylalanine, which is one of the amino acids in aspartame.

    Beyond that I don't see reason to fear it.

    Your body doesn't know how to cope with all those fake sweet chemicals,

    Also incorrect. Aspartame is metabolized into phenylalanine and aspartic acid and methanol. Phenylalanine and Aspartic Acid are amino acids found in regular food items (check out the contents in chicken and bananas for example) and methanol converts into formaldehyde in the liver via dehydrogenase.

    I know my own body. I trust my own results, which I don't have to prove to anybody!

    Sorry, I just miss her so..
  • vim_n_vigor
    vim_n_vigor Posts: 4,089 Member
    Meh, if the artificial sweeteners don't give you headaches or digestive issues, go ahead and drink it. If you are drinking your body weight in it a day, you may want to cut back some though.....
  • red_road
    red_road Posts: 761 Member
    I never used to drink diet anything. But considering i can barely taste a difference between reg and diet i figured why throw away 160 calories when i didn't have to? I drink about 2-3 diet cokes a week and for me it has aided in my weightloss by giving me something sweet to help with my cravings.
  • Blastastic
    Blastastic Posts: 280 Member
    I'm probably not going to make any friends from this post, so no offense everyone:

    This thread is a bunch of alarmism.

    Using epidemiological studies to show that people on diet soda got fatter, and therefore diet soda makes you fat, is pretty far-reaching if you ask me.
    Steer clear of all artificial sweeteners, diet or no diet if you ask me. They slow your metabolism down. Especially avoid aspartame. Avoid diet sodas, chewing gum and some low fat yogurts they are full of these vile sweeteners. When your body tries to break down aspartame it metabolizes into methanol which then converts into formaldehyde. Basically its poison

    Your body produces formaldehyde and it is NOT a poison in doses typically seen in humans and it's certainly not toxic from people who drink a few diet sodas.. Formaldehyde metabolizes into formic acid and formic acid is excreted without causing harm.

    You know who should steer clear of aspartame? People with phenylketonuria because they can't metabolize phenylalanine, which is one of the amino acids in aspartame.

    Beyond that I don't see reason to fear it.

    Your body doesn't know how to cope with all those fake sweet chemicals,

    Also incorrect. Aspartame is metabolized into phenylalanine and aspartic acid and methanol. Phenylalanine and Aspartic Acid are amino acids found in regular food items (check out the contents in chicken and bananas for example) and methanol converts into formaldehyde in the liver via dehydrogenase.



    Edit:
    Effects of Methanol: About 10 percent by weight of aspartame is released as methanol. In the body, methanol converts into formaldehyde and formate. Because formate can cause blindness and metabolic acidosis [Tephly and McMartin, 1984], methanol is toxic when humans consume it in large quantities. In order for the body to accumulate a significant amount of formate, a human must consume 200 to 500 mg of methanol per kg of body weight [Food and Drug Administration, 1984], an amount that corresponds to drinking 600 to 1700 cans of diet soft drink at once

    http://elvis.engr.wisc.edu/uer/uer98/author2/content.html

    ^ And this would be a good example of dose/context-- good post. This is why you can't take research using ridiculous doses delivered via injection and extrapolate that to say "better not drink that can of soda".

    Can you prove this? Oh wait you did! That's why I think your awesome!
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