the paleo solution?

OH MY GOSH. I have a friend who I've known since I was a kid. Seriously she's always been adorable but just the pudgy friend. Not overweight or anything but just stocky, you know? She went Paleo a few years back and she looks like a freaking MODEL now. Some people are just MADE for Paleo. It is great and super healthy and when combined with exercise (because, you know, people are meant to be active), it's the best way to be fit and healthy. Well, one of the best ways. Good luck! I can't wait to hear how it works out for you!

There are also, if one researches, some pretty bad stories of people on paleo developing various health issues and ending up feeling like crap, so it goes both ways.

a friend's mother cured her MS by eating paleo. truly an amazing nutrition plan, though tough to implement.

Oh rly?

As for Paleo, it isn't a magic bullet, it's just another in a long line of restrictive diet plans, like Atkins, or South Beach, or Dukan, etc. Short answer, if you don't want to eat the foods that paleo says don't eat, don't eat them. If you have no medical reason for restricting your diet unnecessarily, then don't waste your time with it, as you won't have any more success doing things this way than you will with any other eating plan. It works because it restricts the foods you can and can't eat, which leads to a caloric deficit. No magic involved.

^ This exactly. The bottom line is caloric deficit.

Low carb tends to be more satiating, and possibly a more manageable way to reduce calories? Not the paleo aspect but the carb restricition.

guys, i love this group-hate on these boards, where a diet MUST be BS if it's different from what you do. Paleo is NOT calorie-restrictive! There are plenty of athletes who are paleo.

why don't you step outside your tiny self-built boxes (your comfort zone) and consider that someone else may have a valid, and interesting point before you dismiss it?

Also, Terry Wahls is the mother of my friend Zach Wahls (the kid who was in the news for giving an amazing speech to congress about being a boy scout and the son of two gay parents - was on all the talk shows, has written a book, etc, etc if that rings any bells. Awesome family)

guys, i love this group-hate on these boards, where a diet MUST be BS if it's different from what you do. Paleo is NOT calorie-restrictive! There are plenty of athletes who are paleo.

why don't you step outside your tiny self-built boxes (your comfort zone) and consider that someone else may have a valid, and interesting point before you dismiss it?

Also, Terry Wahls is the mother of my friend Zach Wahls (the kid who was in the news for giving an amazing speech to congress about being a boy scout and the son of two gay parents - was on all the talk shows, has written a book, etc, etc if that rings any bells. Awesome family)

Is there any there any thread you post in where you present evidence in the form of study related data instead of you tube videos of anedotal stories? Paleo can be a healthy diet if you can tolerate the restictiveness of it. It is however no more healthy than any other diet based on eating nutrient dense whole foods.

On the whole MS thing, my wife has had MS for 12 years. You obviously know very little about MS if you think it can be cured. It can go into periods of remission but never cured. It is a progressive disease and the best that can happen is a lack of progression. As with most of the threads you post in, you make yourself look less than credilble when you make these kind of statements and then you want to argue about it with a pile of anecdotal stuff.

Edited to add: Just visited Dr. Wahl's website. I was already familiar with her story. She doesn't claim to be cured. She claims to have stopped progression and regained functionality. All of this is possible and a whole foods diet as well as exercise can certainly help with this. This is not however a "cure". If you wish to be taken seriously, it helps to get your facts straight.

guys, i love this group-hate on these boards, where a diet MUST be BS if it's different from what you do. Paleo is NOT calorie-restrictive! There are plenty of athletes who are paleo.

why don't you step outside your tiny self-built boxes (your comfort zone) and consider that someone else may have a valid, and interesting point before you dismiss it?

Also, Terry Wahls is the mother of my friend Zach Wahls (the kid who was in the news for giving an amazing speech to congress about being a boy scout and the son of two gay parents - was on all the talk shows, has written a book, etc, etc if that rings any bells. Awesome family)

Is there any there any thread you post in where you present evidence in the form of study related data instead of you tube videos of anedotal stories? Paleo can be a healthy diet if you can tolerate the restictiveness of it. It is however no more healthy than any other diet based on eating nutrient dense whole foods.

On the whole MS thing, my wife has had MS for 12 years. You obviously know very little about MS if you think it can be cured. It can go into periods of remission but never cured. It is a progressive disease and the best that can happen is a lack of progression. As with most of the threads you post in, you make yourself look less than credilble when you make these kind of statements and then you want to argue about it with a pile of anecdotal stuff.

Edited to add: Just visited Dr. Wahl's website. I was already familiar with her story. She doesn't claim to be cured. She claims to have stopped progression and regained functionality. All of this is possible and a whole foods diet as well as exercise can certainly help with this. This is not however a "cure". If you wish to be taken seriously, it helps to get your facts straight.

I'll be more careful with my word choice in the future, however, you just agreed that eating paleo gave her an incredibly improved quality of life. That's all I meant to insinuate. And I use anecdotes because they're people I know, and things I've seen with my own eyes. I know that doesn't grant much credibility on a message board so I do understand where you're coming from.

guys, i love this group-hate on these boards, where a diet MUST be BS if it's different from what you do. Paleo is NOT calorie-restrictive! There are plenty of athletes who are paleo.

why don't you step outside your tiny self-built boxes (your comfort zone) and consider that someone else may have a valid, and interesting point before you dismiss it?

Also, Terry Wahls is the mother of my friend Zach Wahls (the kid who was in the news for giving an amazing speech to congress about being a boy scout and the son of two gay parents - was on all the talk shows, has written a book, etc, etc if that rings any bells. Awesome family)

Is there any there any thread you post in where you present evidence in the form of study related data instead of you tube videos of anedotal stories? Paleo can be a healthy diet if you can tolerate the restictiveness of it. It is however no more healthy than any other diet based on eating nutrient dense whole foods.

On the whole MS thing, my wife has had MS for 12 years. You obviously know very little about MS if you think it can be cured. It can go into periods of remission but never cured. It is a progressive disease and the best that can happen is a lack of progression. As with most of the threads you post in, you make yourself look less than credilble when you make these kind of statements and then you want to argue about it with a pile of anecdotal stuff.

Edited to add: Just visited Dr. Wahl's website. I was already familiar with her story. She doesn't claim to be cured. She claims to have stopped progression and regained functionality. All of this is possible and a whole foods diet as well as exercise can certainly help with this. This is not however a "cure". If you wish to be taken seriously, it helps to get your facts straight.

I'll be more careful with my word choice in the future, however, you just agreed that eating paleo gave her an incredibly improved quality of life. That's all I meant to insinuate. And I use anecdotes because they're people I know, and things I've seen with my own eyes. I know that doesn't grant much credibility on a message board so I do understand where you're coming from.

No he didn't agree with anything. Just for argument sake lets assume the diet did influence her health, you then need to find the mechanism that did that, it's called cause and effect, which are controlled, with multi variables. Paleo isn't a medical term and even if it was from one of the foods that were restricted in the paleo diet, then all other foods that are also on the restriction list could be consumed. It's the same argument with red meat consumption....apparently it's the red meat that causes heart disease and not the other confounders that are so prevalent in that quartile. Science doesn't work the way you think it does.

Precisely. People would be wise to think a little more critically and learn about logic. The diet industry is rife with post hoc rationalisations and appeals to popularity and authority.

I'm going to jump on the 'friend's mother cured her own MS' BS-train too.

Claims like this do an enormous disservice to patients and doctors alike. First, MS is incurable. It may remit spontaneously, but it is always there. it is a devastating disease for which there is no good treatment or cure available. If diet 'cures it' then OBVIOUSLY doctors and researchers are conspiring to hide the evidence so they can keep making all that filthy money they make, right?

The idea that diet, magic potions, positive thinking, appeals to higher powers or any act or inact by a patient can be curative is repugnant. It implies that everyone else who suffers or dies from that same disease didn't try hard enough, didn't believe the right things, had the wrong attitude or otherwise, by their willful actions, brought illness upon themselves.

Diet can 'cure' some things, but not MS.

I'm going to jump on the 'friend's mother cured her own MS' BS-train too.

Claims like this do an enormous disservice to patients and doctors alike. First, MS is incurable. It may remit spontaneously, but it is always there. it is a devastating disease for which there is no good treatment or cure available. If diet 'cures it' then OBVIOUSLY doctors and researchers are conspiring to hide the evidence so they can keep making all that filthy money they make, right?

The idea that diet, magic potions, positive thinking, appeals to higher powers or any act or inact by a patient can be curative is repugnant. It implies that everyone else who suffers or dies from that same disease didn't try hard enough, didn't believe the right things, had the wrong attitude or otherwise, by their willful actions, brought illness upon themselves.

Diet can 'cure' some things, but not MS.

Can i copy your penultimate paragraph and just paste it daily into every forum I use please!?

a friend's mother cured her MS by eating paleo. truly an amazing nutrition plan, though tough to implement.

Uhhh, right. MS is incurable and irreversible.

As for Paleo, it isn't a magic bullet, it's just another in a long line of restrictive diet plans, like Atkins, or South Beach, or Dukan, etc. Short answer, if you don't want to eat the foods that paleo says don't eat, don't eat them. If you have no medical reason for restricting your diet unnecessarily, then don't waste your time with it, as you won't have any more success doing things this way than you will with any other eating plan. It works because it restricts the foods you can and can't eat, which leads to a caloric deficit. No magic involved.

even the Russian judge can't find anything wrong with your post!

I'll be more careful with my word choice in the future, however, you just agreed that eating paleo gave her an incredibly improved quality of life. That's all I meant to insinuate. And I use anecdotes because they're people I know, and things I've seen with my own eyes. I know that doesn't grant much credibility on a message board so I do understand where you're coming from.

Or maybe quitting her old diet gave her improved quality of life, or maybe addressing nutrient deficiencies by eating more veggies gave her improved quality of life. It's unscientific to claim cause and effect from a specific eating plan. There is nothing wrong with anecdotes and case studies, it is the conclusions that are drawn (read: leaped to) that is the problem. Diet modification can certainly successfully treat many conditions, it may well be the case that was the key here.

If someone stops using meth and starts using a prescription drug which improved health? If they stopped using meth and started using a placebo which improved health? If they stopped using a placebo and started using a prescription drug which improved health? If they stopped using meth and started using a complete multivitamin/ mineral/ essential fatty acid supplement which improved health? What about coincidences, people who would have recovered or improved anyway given time or other changes in the lifestyle? That is why we have peer reviewed, double blind, placebo controlled studies and meta analyses so eventually we can say yes! that specific diet/ drug/ supplement works.

It cuts both ways, anecdotal evidence may show paleo makes people sick but I have no doubt in some cases if you pick the diets and lifestyles apart they were not following paleo. I see many cases in my work (lifestyle healthcare) and also here of people who combine restrictive diets with their own tastes or add their own rules in. They don't like nuts, seeds, oily fish and then stop eating all beans, lentils, starchy root vegetables and grains say.