TDEE?

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  • neurochamp
    neurochamp Posts: 261 Member
    My body does not need 1700 calories to live or I'd have been dead a long time ago.

    The reason you've been OK eating below BMR for a while is that you have extra energy stores (extra fat, muscle, etc.) that your body can burn as fuel to prevent your organs from shutting down. As long as you have weight to lose, eating below BMR won't kill you.

    As you drop weight, though, your body will burn both fat AND muscle. By breaking down muscle, your BMR will also decrease - it takes a lot of energy for your body to maintain muscle, so if you are eating at a severe calorie deficit your body will decrease the amount of muscle that it has to feed so it can conserve energy for your vital organs.

    The bottom line is this: if you have a lot of weight to lose (and don't mind losing some muscle mass), eating 1100-1200 calories per day WILL work. But keep in mind that muscle requires a lot of energy to maintain (having more muscle = higher BMR = more calories that you can eat and not gain a lot of excess fat), so eventually you will want to (1) eat at least your BMR every day, and (2) do exercises that help build muscle. These two things will help you reach and maintain a healthier body composition.

    I have read that, as a general rule, you should eat between your BMR and TDEE to lose weight. This makes sense, because you are feeding your vital organs by eating above BMR, but you're still eating fewer calories than you burn in a day through activity; as long as your TDEE estimate is fairly accurate, you SHOULD lose weight doing this.

    This makes sense, thanks. It also reinforces my plan of slowly working up to 1600 from where I am now instead of just jumping there.

    Yeah, I think it's a good idea to ramp up slowly - add 50-100cal/day to your goal, then leave it there for a week or two before bumping up again. You've worked hard to get to where you are, and you need to give your body time to adjust to your changing diet. Like I said, adding exercise will also help (since you will eventually want to maintain/build muscle to boost your BMR)...but if you are not exercising regularly right now, that should also be done gradually so you can learn what your limits are in a sensible way - you definitely don't want to overexert yourself and cause an injury.

    Good luck! :flowerforyou:
  • xLyric
    xLyric Posts: 840 Member

    I don't think I can make it any more simple than that! (Can you tell I used to teach primary kids? ;-) )

    That's good, I'm in college and I still need it explained to me like I'm 5. :)
  • xLyric
    xLyric Posts: 840 Member

    Yeah, I think it's a good idea to ramp up slowly - add 50-100cal/day to your goal, then leave it there for a week or two before bumping up again. You've worked hard to get to where you are, and you need to give your body time to adjust to your changing diet. Like I said, adding exercise will also help (since you will eventually want to maintain/build muscle to boost your BMR)...but if you are not exercising regularly right now, that should also be done gradually so you can learn what your limits are in a sensible way - you definitely don't want to overexert yourself and cause an injury.

    Good luck! :flowerforyou:

    Thanks for your help!
  • eyeshuh
    eyeshuh Posts: 333
    This website doesn't know what your body fat % is, or how active you are, or what you are doing. All it knows is that if you are dead set on extreme weight loss, that if you eat under 1200 calories for too long you will need to go to a hospital.

    MFP does the least amount of math possible to give you a number. If you do the math yourself you are going to be much more likely to succeed.

    I am 5'3" and I hardly ever eat less than 1800 calories. I have never had issues losing weight. I am still dropping. I ate 2100 calories on Saturday since I exercised off over 600 and didn't want to go under my BMR. I lost .2 lb.

    You are going to lose weight at a super low amount of calories. But you are also going to stall, feel like crap, and then gain all the weight back. Then you'll be back on this website posting a new thread asking what you did wrong.

    Just do it right the first time and save yourself the trouble.

    So when you eat 1800, do you exercise? Or is that your base line like 1200 is for others?

    My baseline, based on my TDEE-20% set to being "lightly active" is 1550. If I didn't exercise at all, I would lose weight if I ate 1550 calories.

    Since I exercise different amounts every day, that is why I set my TDEE estimation at "lightly active". That means that if I exercise, I am now no longer at my estimated TDEE. My activity level is above it, so, I have to eat back all of those exercise calories in order to make sure my body is getting the 1550 it needs.

    Now, I think my BMR is around 1300, which means I should never NET under 1300. However, I always try to keep my net as close to my TDEE-20% as I can, because I'm trying to stay as healthy as possible and eat as much as possible to still lose weight so that when I switch to maintenance it will be extremely easy to just eat a couple hundred more calories a day to maintain.

    I know it's a lot to take in, but does that sort of make sense?

    BMR: Least you should ever NET
    NET: The amount of calories you have left after you subtract exercise
    TDEE: I have mine set up on "lightly active" since I exercise different amounts ever day
    TDEE -20%: That is the amount of calories that you can NET and still lose weight

    Kind of? So since my BMR is ~1600, if I ate that, with NO exercise, I would still lose weight? I am 22, 180lbs, 5' 9''. My activity comes from school. It just seems kind of high.

    Yes. However, you should really look at your TDEE-20% rather than your BMR. BMR is what you should NEVER go under. If you want to have a more sustainable weight loss, you should aim higher and go for the TDEE. If you're not sure enough of your activity level, just put it as sedentary or lightly active, and then eat back your exercise calories.

    I know it seems high, but trust me, it's not! If you have faith and you give it time, I promise you the weight will come off this way.
  • xLyric
    xLyric Posts: 840 Member
    Yes. However, you should really look at your TDEE-20% rather than your BMR. BMR is what you should NEVER go under. If you want to have a more sustainable weight loss, you should aim higher and go for the TDEE. If you're not sure enough of your activity level, just put it as sedentary or lightly active, and then eat back your exercise calories.

    I know it seems high, but trust me, it's not! If you have faith and you give it time, I promise you the weight will come off this way.

    Alright, I'll see how it goes. Thanks for your help!

    I think I've just about got it, so thanks to everyone else for their help too!
  • eyeshuh
    eyeshuh Posts: 333
    Most of the people on this site just want to help and want others to be healthy. I really hope that everything works out well for you. :)
  • Active37
    Active37 Posts: 43 Member
    I am a little confused as well about the BMR and the TDEE. I went to two different websites to calculate both and here is where I am confused....My BMR is 1503 my TDEE is 1796. If I were to eat 20 percent less than the TDEE it comes up as 1436 which is less than my BMR. So if I am supposed to eat at my BMR but 20 percent less of the TDEE is less than that how does that make sense. i am really wanting to try and make a real go at this and being my first time dieting I am really confused :(
  • eyeshuh
    eyeshuh Posts: 333
    I am a little confused as well about the BMR and the TDEE. I went to two different websites to calculate both and here is where I am confused....My BMR is 1503 my TDEE is 1796. If I were to eat 20 percent less than the TDEE it comes up as 1436 which is less than my BMR. So if I am supposed to eat at my BMR but 20 percent less of the TDEE is less than that how does that make sense. i am really wanting to try and make a real go at this and being my first time dieting I am really confused :(

    Eat your TDEE -15% instead. Don't go below your BMR. In general the rule that people like to post is:

    TDEE #
    #
    #
    <
    Weight loss
    #
    #
    BMR #
  • Active37
    Active37 Posts: 43 Member
    Thanks I will try to keep it at the 15% It seems I am eating around my BMR every day as is. This whole thing seems complicated to me lol. I started calculating as I eat on a normal basis without trying to change much and as it stands I am eating right around my BMR anyways. If that is the case and I am already like 18 percent down from my TDEE how come I haven't been loosing weight? The only thing that seems to be kind of high is my carbs, like today I went 69 over.
  • eyeshuh
    eyeshuh Posts: 333
    Do you use a food scale? In cases like that, it's usually an issue of not tracking correctly. If you do use a food scale and track your food well, then you might try not eating all of your exercise calories back, as you might be over estimating them.
  • 1ConcreteGirl
    1ConcreteGirl Posts: 3,677 Member
    1600: if I eat this with NO exercise, will I still lose weight?

    YES.

    Your TDEE is above 1600, therefore anything you eat below your TDEE will cause you to lose weight. It might be slower than you'd like, but you will lose.
  • Active37
    Active37 Posts: 43 Member
    Well I don't really get any exercise unless you count using the vacuum. I am a full time student and a mother of a competitive cheerleader so I am constantly running her to practice, between that,class,homework, and keeping up the house I don't have much time else. I was using the standard calculation for daily calorie expenditures. I am not sure what you mean about food scale. I am using a scale that my mother has at her house that is similar to the ones they have at the doctors office. I am just really unsure what to do even with calculating all this stuff it seems that it what I have already been doing. I am not looking to loose a whole lot 25 max but I feel stuck
  • Active37
    Active37 Posts: 43 Member
    Lol you mean to weight the food not me /blush
  • Active37
    Active37 Posts: 43 Member
    My husband thinks that although I am eating right along with these calculations that I am already at a plateau because my body is used to eating this way therefore it is going to take something else to loose. Although I am not sure what that something else is.
  • eyeshuh
    eyeshuh Posts: 333
    It is most likely that if you are not weighing and/or measuring your food properly, that you are just simply underestimating what you are eating. Food scales don't cost that much! You can get one for $20 and then you'll be able to see if you're really eating the amount that you think you're eating.
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    Simple. Your TDEE is 2236. If you eat TDEE you wl stay the same weight. If you eat more you will gain; If you eat less, you will lose.

    How much less? Generally 500 calories or about 20%. 2236 - 500 = 1736. If you eat a flat 1736 calories a day, you will lose at a healthy pace of about 1 lb per week.
  • Active37
    Active37 Posts: 43 Member
    Most of what I eat isn't fresh and comes from a box or can. For example I will eat special K cereal for breakfast with skim milk. I will take out a measuring cup and measure out the servings. Or like for dinner I will eat say a lean cuisine tv dinner which has the servings on the back. Are these calculations on the box usually off? Should I weigh them myself. As I said I am busy a lot of the time and don't actually "cook" much.
  • eyeshuh
    eyeshuh Posts: 333
    Gotcha! In that case my only other guess would be that you need to reset your metabolism because you were eating too little:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/654536-in-place-of-a-road-map-2-0-revised-7-2-12

    OR you just need to go see a doctor! It could be that you are just intolerant to something you're eating or you have other underlying issues that you're not going to be able to solve here. When in doubt, a doctor or nutritionist is always the best option. :)
  • Active37
    Active37 Posts: 43 Member
    Well for me I am almost 5"7 155lbs and 30 years old. Looking to hit 130-135 It is saying my TDEE is 1796 and my BMR is 1503. I am already eating around 1450-1500 a day in calories.
  • Active37
    Active37 Posts: 43 Member
    Thank you for all your advice. It may be a metabolism issue, I will definitely look into that. At the moment I am not sure if I should try eating more or eating less. I had a complete physical last year with my reg doc and my gyno cause I was feeling over tired and they said everything in blood work etc. is perfect. They looked at me like I was crazy lol!
  • eyeshuh
    eyeshuh Posts: 333
    That would mean you are eating under your BMR, which means you have been under eating and may have damaged your metabolism. You weren't eating THAT much under your BMR, but who knows.

    Also, you don't have that much to lose, so you shouldn't be aiming for more than 1 pound a week. Maybe even half a pound.

    The best advice I could possibly give you is to go ask a doctor! If you don't want to do that, then try following the advice in the In Place of a Road Map thread for at least a month to give your body some time to get use to it and see what happens.
  • sk_pirate
    sk_pirate Posts: 282 Member
    Your TDEE must be calculated with what you normally spend in terms of energy in a day or averaged over a week. There are some calculators out there that will figure out in a more detailed fashion what you do daily in terms of activity and include the exercise you commit yourself to doing. The 20% reduction is based on that number so it must be accurate. And as said before, you should never eat below your BMR. That is just asking for trouble.

    It really isn't that complicated.

    Step one: Figure out your energy expenditure for the day. Use various calculators to get a number...it doesn't have to be super accurate. A few calories is not going to make a big difference.

    Step two: Subtract 20% from that number.

    Step three: Eat that amount of calories and do the exercise and activity you said you are doing on the calculator.

    Step four: Watch the weight come off although you might go up the first week or two but don't give up.

    Step five: Recalculate every 5 to 10 lbs.

    I don't think I can make it any more simple than that! (Can you tell I used to teach primary kids? ;-) )


    Thanks for being short and to the point! I was looking for something like this to get started :-)
  • eyeshuh
    eyeshuh Posts: 333
    Thank you for all your advice. It may be a metabolism issue, I will definitely look into that. At the moment I am not sure if I should try eating more or eating less. I had a complete physical last year with my reg doc and my gyno cause I was feeling over tired and they said everything in blood work etc. is perfect. They looked at me like I was crazy lol!

    Haha, gotcha. Well, definitely don't eat less! Give the Road Map a try, give resetting your metabolism a try, and see if that gets you where you want to be! It has worked really well for me, so I hope it works for you too!
  • NomNomMom
    NomNomMom Posts: 80 Member
    I've also been adding calories to work my way up to the amount I should be eating somewhat gradually. I still have about 40 pounds to lose. I am eating healthy and this all makes sense to me. I eat well but I guess I need to eat more "calorie dense" foods.
    Can anyone answer this? Is this a huge problem if I continually eat a bit more "fat" than what is set on my macros (even if it comes from healthy fats such as EVOO, coconut oil, and nuts)? I'm set at 40-30-30.
  • katevarner
    katevarner Posts: 884 Member
    I've also been adding calories to work my way up to the amount I should be eating somewhat gradually. I still have about 40 pounds to lose. I am eating healthy and this all makes sense to me. I eat well but I guess I need to eat more "calorie dense" foods.
    Can anyone answer this? Is this a huge problem if I continually eat a bit more "fat" than what is set on my macros (even if it comes from healthy fats such as EVOO, coconut oil, and nuts)? I'm set at 40-30-30.
    A little more than 30% is fine. Protein and fat should be minimums, then fill in with carbs. I frequently eat 40% from fat or more and have had no problem losing. Healthier fats are best for health, certainly, but really don't matter for weight loss.
  • NomNomMom
    NomNomMom Posts: 80 Member
    Thanks for your comment. I'm still pretty new to all of this - I want to eat healthy and lose weight the healthiest way & gain some lean muscle but for the long term. No fast solutions to many years of obesity but I'm learning and feeling great! :happy:
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