I have a "strange" goal.......
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I've done something close to that before from running huge amounts (not by design, just trying to cram too much into my day). I doubt one day would cause big long-term problems. However it's not something I'd ever actively try to do or suggest anyone else try. When I have done this, I feel truly awful the next day - low energy, ragged, and more often than not end up way overeating, usually with junk foods. Now I actively try to avoid it if I need to do an unusually long run, by planning a quick high-calorie snack to have right after the run -- something like juice with protein powder to have right away.0
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You sure you don't mean burst a Plato?0
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It's weird that people are getting so upset with this since there are a lot of people who IF, and workout, and seem to be perfectly fine. I would just suggest taking some BCAA, they are 0 calories, and will help you keep LBM while doing this. If you are a larger person then you definitely won't have a problem with this, and it is only once a month.0
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I guess I just don't understand what the point is?
One day out of an average of 30 doesn't seem like it'd make much of a difference?
Call me crazy but seems consistency might work out better or a zig zagging of calories
Or maybe cutting out all processed foods
This isn't biggest loser
I'm assuming you have a job and life and can't workout for 8 hours a day plus and you don't have a few hundred pounds to lose
My sister lost 90lbs in roughly a year doing Jillian Michaels, then P90X, then insanity0 -
Well, I wasn't asking for approval, LOL
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It can't cause a plateau if I am already in one, and I am. And when I get in plateaus they can easily last a month, so this is my plan.
Which is good, because you probably won't get much, if any. I'm curious as to how you came up with this idea. It doesn't seem based on any 'plan' I've seen before and could have some negative effects.
Also, as others have asked, why post it if you aren't seeking approval. If it works for you, then come back in a couple of months with a, this is how I break my plateau, thread.
Otherwise, you are just adding to a plethora of questionable ideas that get bandied about in these forums.0 -
You sure you don't mean burst a Plato?
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Save yourself the effort and just don't eat for a day :smokin:0
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Awesome guy go for it...
Actually might try to do it once a month as well...
Super challenge...0 -
I guess I just don't understand what the point is?
One day out of an average of 30 doesn't seem like it'd make much of a difference?
Call me crazy but seems consistency might work out better or a zig zagging of calories
Or maybe cutting out all processed foods
This isn't biggest loser
I'm assuming you have a job and life and can't workout for 8 hours a day plus and you don't have a few hundred pounds to lose
My sister lost 90lbs in roughly a year doing Jillian Michaels, then P90X, then insanity
LOL @ "This isn't biggest loser"0 -
A goal usually has some kind of purpose. What is the purpose of this?0
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You can do that. A weekend of hiking I burn a ton of calories, that I just can not force my self to eat back... The goal is to loose it not gain it. Once a month does not sound unreachable, or unsafe, but fun... and inspiring
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Well, I wasn't asking for approval, LOL
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Good, because I wasn't not offering approval. I never offer approval. People post, I give my honest opinion based on my personal experience. I'm not your parent. Do whatever you want to do and it doesn't affect me one whit. The reason I even bother posting in topics like this is because I don't want OTHER people to see your plan and think it's the right course of action.I'm interested to know how one day of intense excerise per month could cause a plateau?
Ditto !
I'm guessing people haven't read the OP properly.
Otherwise all those people that do a long distance cycle or half marathon are going to be hitting a plateau.....
Yup, pretty sure they quote (in capitals) ONE day a month. Apart from minimal muscle burn and maybe needing more fuel next day this is hardly unsimilar to fasting at a much lower frequency and doing it 12 days a year won't cause any damage unless I am missing something?
Person #1: The problem isn't the intense exercise per se, it's that the OP plans on doing much more exercise than usual (I'm fine with that) and then purposely not eating enough to recover from it (there's your problem)
Person #2: Yep, read it properly. Did you? Are you suggesting that people that run marathons don't try to recover after then finish the marathon? Are you imagining people that do super long distance cycling aren't drained the next few days?
Person #3: Lets say it's similar to fasting (not really). Does fasting break plateaus? If the OP is not going to eat more fuel that day why do you think he's going to eat it the next day? He's clearly not. I agree that it will do minimal harm. But it will do NO good.
The title of the thread is "I have a strange goal". I prefer to have sensible, effective goals.0 -
Well, I wasn't asking for approval, LOL
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Good, because I wasn't not offering approval. I never offer approval. People post, I give my honest opinion based on my personal experience. I'm not your parent. Do whatever you want to do and it doesn't affect me one whit. The reason I even bother posting in topics like this is because I don't want OTHER people to see your plan and think it's the right course of action.I'm interested to know how one day of intense excerise per month could cause a plateau?
Ditto !
I'm guessing people haven't read the OP properly.
Otherwise all those people that do a long distance cycle or half marathon are going to be hitting a plateau.....
Yup, pretty sure they quote (in capitals) ONE day a month. Apart from minimal muscle burn and maybe needing more fuel next day this is hardly unsimilar to fasting at a much lower frequency and doing it 12 days a year won't cause any damage unless I am missing something?
Person #1: The problem isn't the intense exercise per se, it's that the OP plans on doing much more exercise than usual (I'm fine with that) and then purposely not eating enough to recover from it (there's your problem)
Person #2: Yep, read it properly. Did you? Are you suggesting that people that run marathons don't try to recover after then finish the marathon? Are you imagining people that do super long distance cycling aren't drained the next few days?
Person #3: Lets say it's similar to fasting (not really). Does fasting break plateaus? If the OP is not going to eat more fuel that day why do you think he's going to eat it the next day? He's clearly not. I agree that it will do minimal harm. But it will do NO good.
The title of the thread is "I have a strange goal". I prefer to have sensible, effective goals.
"Person #4:" IF on a 5:2 ratio can still be fit in with work outs which would leave you burning more cals than you eat on a regualr basis so yeah it is really, and yes it has been shown to break through plateaus consistantly while having minimal negative side effects. While I do not support IF or think it is the healthiest way to lose BF% there are actually lots of benefits shown from it. Would you like me to find multiple studies showing the advantages or can you use google yourself before declaring it's not the same?0 -
Well, I wasn't asking for approval, LOL
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Good, because I wasn't not offering approval. I never offer approval. People post, I give my honest opinion based on my personal experience. I'm not your parent. Do whatever you want to do and it doesn't affect me one whit. The reason I even bother posting in topics like this is because I don't want OTHER people to see your plan and think it's the right course of action.I'm interested to know how one day of intense excerise per month could cause a plateau?
Ditto !
I'm guessing people haven't read the OP properly.
Otherwise all those people that do a long distance cycle or half marathon are going to be hitting a plateau.....
Yup, pretty sure they quote (in capitals) ONE day a month. Apart from minimal muscle burn and maybe needing more fuel next day this is hardly unsimilar to fasting at a much lower frequency and doing it 12 days a year won't cause any damage unless I am missing something?
Person #1: The problem isn't the intense exercise per se, it's that the OP plans on doing much more exercise than usual (I'm fine with that) and then purposely not eating enough to recover from it (there's your problem)
Person #2: Yep, read it properly. Did you? Are you suggesting that people that run marathons don't try to recover after then finish the marathon? Are you imagining people that do super long distance cycling aren't drained the next few days?
Person #3: Lets say it's similar to fasting (not really). Does fasting break plateaus? If the OP is not going to eat more fuel that day why do you think he's going to eat it the next day? He's clearly not. I agree that it will do minimal harm. But it will do NO good.
The title of the thread is "I have a strange goal". I prefer to have sensible, effective goals.
"Person #4:" IF on a 5:2 ratio can still be fit in with work outs which would leave you burning more cals than you eat on a regualr basis so yeah it is really, and yes it has been shown to break through plateaus consistantly while having minimal negative side effects. While I do not support IF or think it is the healthiest way to lose BF% there are actually lots of benefits shown from it. Would you like me to find multiple studies showing the advantages or can you use google yourself before declaring it's not the same?
My bad. I must have missed the part where he said he was taking this deficit by fasting. I thought he was getting there via an overly long, very intense session of exercise that he would purposely not attempt to recover from.
Maybe i did misread after all0 -
I'm pretty sure I've done, this, although not intentionally. In the summer and fall, I've spent the better part of the day hiking in the mountains. According to MFP, hiking 8 hours (mix of up hill and "cross country") burns about 2700 calories for me (I don't consider MFP to be accurate in their calorie count, but it would still be a lot). I KNOW I didn't come close to eating 4200 calories that day. So it's entirely possible to do. I don't think it affected by weight, nor did I do it for that reason.0
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My bad. I must have missed the part where he said he was taking this deficit by fasting. I thought he was getting there via an overly long, very intense session of exercise that he would purposely not attempt to recover from.
Maybe i did misread after all
Ooops. Me too. That's what I based my previous reply on.0 -
Ditto !
I'm guessing people haven't read the OP properly.
Otherwise all those people that do a long distance cycle or half marathon are going to be hitting a plateau.....
Person #2: Yep, read it properly. Did you? Are you suggesting that people that run marathons don't try to recover after then finish the marathon? Are you imagining people that do super long distance cycling aren't drained the next few days?
@DavPul - you are arguing with something that I didn't say.
Where did I mention recovery? Where did I mention endurance athletes not being drained?
People were suggesting that somehow one extreme day was going to cause a weight loss plateau. That was my sole question - no "imagining" or "suggesting" on my part.0 -
but I am hoping that it helps me bust through plateaus.
So, soon, I have this goal I want to hit for ONE DAY a month.... I know that we are supposed to eat back our exercise calories, but here is my goal... I start the day with 1840 calories to eat. I want to do so much exercise that at the end of the day I will still have 1840 calories - or more - remaining when I close my day out..
I plan to start this in February.
You can achieve the same by doing no exercise, and eating no food - you would still have 1840 left to eat at the end of that day.
Still sound sensible?
For many people, even here at MFP, it sure does...
Look, there is a saying that I have heard and believe: "It only works if it works for you, and it doesn't work if it doesn't work for you.".....
So, not every sing;e person has the same experiences, and if we did, we could all say what will and what won't work. DO I know this will work? No. Do I know it won't work? No. But it isn't any different than people who only eat 6 days a week, or 5 days a week. And there are MANY of those on MFP where that works for them. That's what I am getting at... my own way of trying to find what will wok for me.0 -
My bad. I must have missed the part where he said he was taking this deficit by fasting. I thought he was getting there via an overly long, very intense session of exercise that he would purposely not attempt to recover from.
Maybe i did misread after all
Ooops. Me too. That's what I based my previous reply on.
I did NOT say I was fasting. What I was saying is that I wanted to eat my 1840 calories, but burn 3640 calories one day a month.0 -
Let's do a little math.
Everybody realizes that the OP is talking about a 3000 cal deficit, not 1800, right? We keep throwing the 1800 number around, but since that number reflects a 1000 cal per day deficit already, when he does 3600 cals worth of cardio and only eats half that back, he'll be at 3000 cal deficit for the day. Is anyone thinking a 3000 cal deficit in a single day is a good idea?
More math. The day before Magic Day he will have been in a 1000 cal deficit. The day after he'll be in a 1000 cal deficit. And all the days before and after he's going to have this deficit. This is not similar to IF 5:2 dieting plan. In that plan, he'd eat 2800 cals 5 days per week and 600-800 2 days per week. That's 15,400 per week [(2800*5)+(700*2)]. With the OP's strategy he's going to eat 10,800 total for the week [(1800*6)+(1*0)]. That's 4600 less net calories than the 5:2 IF plan. While doing intense exercise. For non-elite athlete. That's 100lbs away from GW.
For the person that's comparing this Magic Day to a marathon runner or endurance cyclist, no, you did not mention recovery. Neither did the OP. That is why I mentioned it. Somebody has to. Because the marathon runner and cyclist certainly include it in their plans. In many cases, they prepare for big event by eating more in the days prior, in addition to eating more to recover after. While I don't think he's going to hurt himself on Magic Day, he's definitely going put himself in position to be miserable for several days after, and when the scale doesn't move like he wants, he may get frustrated and quit altogether.
The OP has 100lbs to lose to get to goal, so if he's not going to not going to burn out 80lbs away from goal, he may wish to look at a long term plan that includes recovery. And if he doesn't, and wants to find "what works for him", that's fine too. This post is meant to be the guy standing in front of the bridge, waving flares at oncoming traffic, trying to warn them of danger ahead. The OP can do whatever he wants. I'm hoping no one else blindly follows him into the abyss.
********* Used some assumptions because I don't know the OP's stats. Since MFP is giving him 1800 cals per day and I'm betting that he set it to 2lbs a week that means his maintenance is around 2800 cals. His goal is to lose 100 lbs so I'm guessing he's somewhere in the 260-280 range. I get to that number because when I started on MFP i was 276 and was given 1880 cals per day to lose 2lbs per week. I suck at math but I should be in the ballpark.********0 -
I did NOT say I was fasting. What I was saying is that I wanted to eat my 1840 calories, but burn 3640 calories one day a month.
I know. I was being sarcastic. I was trying to bump IF out of the discussion because it has nothing to do with your Magic Day plan0 -
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OP, if you didn't want approval, you wouldn't have posted. my guess is that you mentioned this plan to a couple individuals who told you it's a stupid idea, then came on here for affirmation, and are now in a huff that you're not getting it. A for effort, D for execution.
^^ Yup! That was my thought as well!0 -
I'm a 5'5, 145lb, 34-year-old woman, and it takes me running a half marathon (13.1 miles) to burn about 1,500 calories, give or take a few. You don't have a profile pic, but even if we assume you're a 6'5 300-lb man who burns a lot more calories than I do, you're still talking about far more exercise than most human beings, even Olympians, could actually perform on a daily basis.
But let's pretend the goal was actually achievable. You're talking about a deficit of about 1,840 plus the deficit MFP already creates, which is 500 calories, give or take a few, so let's call it 2,350. Do you have any idea how dangerous it would be for your body to have a weekly deficit over over 15,000 calories? What that would do to your muscles, metabolism, and heart? So much for your marathon-a-day plans, because your body will get sick faster than you can lace your sneakers.
You have to be reasonable here. You didn't get to where you are now overnight, and you won't lose all the weight overnight, either. Like most people here, I have changed my life through diet and exercise, and for the first time in my adult life I am very happy with my appearance, health, and fitness. But it took 10 months to lose 60 pounds, not 10 weeks.
**** And I just read in your responses where you clarified that this was only for one day a month, not EVERY day. Huge difference, but still not a great idea. It'll make your metabolism slow to a crawl, for one, though it won't be nearly as damaging as I originally thought!0 -
i like u, it can happen.0
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I would think this is totally doable. When I was running regularly and training for half-marathon I would have one long run a week that really upped my calories burned. Seems like this would be similar but on a once a month basis.0
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I did NOT say I was fasting. What I was saying is that I wanted to eat my 1840 calories, but burn 3640 calories one day a month.
I know. I was being sarcastic. I was trying to bump IF out of the discussion because it has nothing to do with your Magic Day plan
I'm just not sure why he posted this.
He didn't ask a question and he doesn't seem to want any critiques on the plan, obviously. So why even post this? Was he hoping people would just blindly say - GO FOR IT! And not point out flaws or make suggestions?
I am very confuzzled.0 -
**** And I just read in your responses where you clarified that this was only for one day a month, not EVERY day. Huge difference, but still not a great idea. It'll make your metabolism slow to a crawl, for one, though it won't be nearly as damaging as I originally thought!
Well, nobody knows that for a fact, right? 100% of the world does not have the exact same metabolism. It is only one day par month. What it means - according to the MFP cacluator for exercise - is about 5 hours of exercise ONE DAY each month, based on my results from today.... I burned 1300+ calories in just over 2 hours. But let's just say I need 5 hours to do what I want.... I have done that dozens of times in my life when still 100 pounds overweight.... I used to ride 100 mile bikes rides several times a summer.
I'm not being snippy, and this is not directed at you, but there are a lot of fat people here acting all pious and righteous. Maybe they ought to give my idea a shot. It's only one day a month.0 -
Let's do a little math.
Everybody realizes that the OP is talking about a 3000 cal deficit, not 1800, right?
Wrong.
I will eat my 1800 plus calories, and burn 3600..... so that is an 1800 calorie deficit at the end one one day each month.0 -
Let's do a little math.
Everybody realizes that the OP is talking about a 3000 cal deficit, not 1800, right?
Wrong.
I will eat my 1800 plus calories, and burn 3600..... so that is an 1800 calorie deficit at the end one one day each month.
no. it's more than that because you arent taking into account the amount of calories you already burn by being alive, right? the 1800 is a already set up as a deficit unless it's your maintenance. so if your goal is set up to eat 500 calories a day less than you need then we're talking 2300 calorie deficit.
with that said, i'd say try it. as long as you are healthy the worse that can happen is that you find the next day you are hungry as heel or tired as hell.
also as an FYI i think you would have received different responses to this thread had you said you were going to have 1 marathon workout session for the sake of fitness rather than saying it's for the sake of weight loss.0
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