Not all calories are created equal??

two twins (genetically identical) people eating identical amounts of calories, but one eats nothing but processed "bad" foods and another eats only raw whole foods.

do you think they'll look different? do you think their vitals will be different?

No. They will not look different. No, their vitals will not be different either.

Nice try tho

Well, perhaps they would look similar, but the vitals, if we are only considering BP, Temp and pulse would differ at least due to the salt content. Maybe not for you spring chickens, but for me who is a bit older, what I eat dramatically affects my blood pressure. If we consider cholesterol, then you will see even more differences. This is not a theory, I have the lab work that proves it to me, which is why I try to eat as healthy as I can. Progress, not perfection!

Excellent point.

Which then begs the question, what vitals did the original "asker" of that question mean? If you mean basic vitals--blood pressure, temperature, pulse, etc. it can certainly be affected by what you eat. Blood pressure, specifically, can be greatly affected by what you eat. Maybe not on that one specific day, but over time, your BP will change based on what you eat.

And if we're talking LABS?? I can't imagine anyone actually insisting that blood labs would be the same between someone eating a highly processed, high-starch, high trans-fat diet, would be the same as someone eating mainly fruits veggies, complex carbs, and clean protein. Cholesterol, blood glucose, iron levels, vitamin D levels, RBC, hematocrit, etc. Not to mention urine! Proteinuria, glucouria, acidity, specific gravity... these are all affected by WHAT you eat, not HOW MUCH you eat. So you cannot possibly believe that those twins would be in exactly the same health.

two twins (genetically identical) people eating identical amounts of calories, but one eats nothing but processed "bad" foods and another eats only raw whole foods.

do you think they'll look different? do you think their vitals will be different?

No. They will not look different. No, their vitals will not be different either.

Nice try tho

Well, perhaps they would look similar, but the vitals, if we are only considering BP, Temp and pulse would differ at least due to the salt content. Maybe not for you spring chickens, but for me who is a bit older, what I eat dramatically affects my blood pressure. If we consider cholesterol, then you will see even more differences. This is not a theory, I have the lab work that proves it to me, which is why I try to eat as healthy as I can. Progress, not perfection!

i guess the premise isn't all that laughable after all. you're a perfect example of my point. thanks.

regardless... someone really needs to do this study. it would really end a whole lot of internet arguments. lol

two twins (genetically identical) people eating identical amounts of calories, but one eats nothing but processed "bad" foods and another eats only raw whole foods.

do you think they'll look different? do you think their vitals will be different?

No. They will not look different. No, their vitals will not be different either.

Nice try tho

Well, perhaps they would look similar, but the vitals, if we are only considering BP, Temp and pulse would differ at least due to the salt content. Maybe not for you spring chickens, but for me who is a bit older, what I eat dramatically affects my blood pressure. If we consider cholesterol, then you will see even more differences. This is not a theory, I have the lab work that proves it to me, which is why I try to eat as healthy as I can. Progress, not perfection!

i guess the premise isn't all that laughable after all. you're a perfect example of my point. thanks.

regardless... someone really needs to do this study. it would really end a whole lot of internet arguments. lol

Most of them started by you posing idiotic premises.

lol just because you view something as idiotic does not make it so. the poster I quoted has had the very experience I mentioned.

two twins (genetically identical) people eating identical amounts of calories, but one eats nothing but processed "bad" foods and another eats only raw whole foods.

do you think they'll look different? do you think their vitals will be different?

No. They will not look different. No, their vitals will not be different either.

Nice try tho

Well, perhaps they would look similar, but the vitals, if we are only considering BP, Temp and pulse would differ at least due to the salt content. Maybe not for you spring chickens, but for me who is a bit older, what I eat dramatically affects my blood pressure. If we consider cholesterol, then you will see even more differences. This is not a theory, I have the lab work that proves it to me, which is why I try to eat as healthy as I can. Progress, not perfection!

i guess the premise isn't all that laughable after all. you're a perfect example of my point. thanks.

regardless... someone really needs to do this study. it would really end a whole lot of internet arguments. lol

Most of them started by you posing idiotic premises.

lol just because you view something as idiotic does not make it so. the poster I quoted has had the very experience I mentioned.

So, out of 3 billion people in the world, you have a couple that agree with you? That sure makes it legit.

there are 7 billion people in the world.

there are 7 billion people in the world.

CoachReddy, I haven't seen a single thread with your involvement that hasn't devolved into a bitter argument.

I would really love for that not to be the case - I would - but mmapags began with calling my premise idiotic and laugable without adding anything of value to the conversation, even though the post led to an interesting discussion. So remind me - who was it that began the name calling and the "argument" here?

I would really love for that not to be the case - I would - but mmapags began with calling my premise idiotic and laugable without adding anything of value to the conversation, even though the post led to an interesting discussion. So remind me - who was it that began the name calling and the "argument" here?

Yay, now we'll argue about arguing. I didn't state it was because of your actions.

haha fair enough. I'm just not sure why I'm the one who gets called out when the same repeat offenders consistently attack my posts because they disagree with them. why don't they just let me say my piece, and they can say theirs? the commentary is what's unnecessary. We're all welcome to believe whatever we want to about food, nutrition and health, but we don't need to go around calling other peoples' views idiotic just because we disagree. fair?

in my view, a calorie =/= a calorie, but in mmapags and others' views, a calorie does equal a calorie. and I'm fine with that. let people hear both sides and choose what they want to believe.

would love to get back on topic here sans petty arguments.

two twins (genetically identical) people eating identical amounts of calories, but one eats nothing but processed "bad" foods and another eats only raw whole foods.

do you think they'll look different? do you think their vitals will be different?

No. They will not look different. No, their vitals will not be different either.

Nice try tho

Well, perhaps they would look similar, but the vitals, if we are only considering BP, Temp and pulse would differ at least due to the salt content. Maybe not for you spring chickens, but for me who is a bit older, what I eat dramatically affects my blood pressure. If we consider cholesterol, then you will see even more differences. This is not a theory, I have the lab work that proves it to me, which is why I try to eat as healthy as I can. Progress, not perfection!

I also have two sets of lab work. The workup that was done after my diet switched to almost entirely fast food (divorce) is markedly better than the one where I ate home cooking. Why are the Labs better? Because I lost weight.

And is there someone somewhere advocating that someone consume 2000 cals of koolaid? Most of these arguments exist in fantasyland. No one is eating all organically raised protein and no one is eating all potato chips.

there are 7 billion people in the world.

CoachReddy, I haven't seen a single thread with your involvement that hasn't devolved into a bitter argument.

I would really love for that not to be the case - I would - but mmapags began with calling my premise idiotic and laugable without adding anything of value to the conversation, even though the post led to an interesting discussion. So remind me - who was it that began the name calling and the "argument" here?

Saying your false statements were idiotic added tremendous value to the discussion. It's true and cut right to the point. Time is money. I wish pags post was the first response in the thread so we could have ended it right there

I don't know if all calories are created equal. I do know you have to expend more calories than you take in to lose weight. I also know my thyroid was fine UNTIL I quickly lost 30 pounds following the Atkins plan. Was it Atkins or rapid weigh loss? I don't know but I haven't been able to successfully lose weight since. Lately, I have erred on the side of healthier choices just because I feel better. With Atkins, I might eat 2 quarterpounders minus the bread. Now, I look for the lower fat protein choices. I also lift weights. I would never recommend Atkins to anyone based on my experience. I would recommend South Beach or Paleo. They are higher protein but advocate healthy fats and protein. That is my opinion. That is what the OP asked for. Not juvenile arguments attacking someone else's opinion.

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