Ok. How much do I need to eat? (BMR Related)

When I first joined MFP, ate 1200. Failed.

Got the great advice to look up BMR. Did it. Set my eating to 100 calories more than BMR. Lost 5-6 lbs quickly.

Then plateaued.

So I decided to look up my BMR again. And got three different responses from three different calculators.
MFP - 1540
BMI Calc.net - 1630
Muscle and Strength.com - 1951

Uh. That's confusing.

So now I'm trying to figure out A) which I should follow and B) how to much to eat ABOVE the BMR I select.

I would love any recommendations on this.
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  • Faye_Anderson
    Faye_Anderson Posts: 1,495 Member
    http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/ I've found this to be pretty accurate (well it's worked out right for me)
  • rduhlir
    rduhlir Posts: 3,550 Member
    The link above or....

    http://www.fat2fitradio.com/tools/
  • imhungry2012
    imhungry2012 Posts: 240 Member
    I would suggest you use your TDEE and subtract 10-20% from that, here is the link I like best: http://www.iifym.com/tdee-calculator
  • MelStren
    MelStren Posts: 457 Member
    bump
  • If you are trying to maintain wait then you probably might eat at least 4 times a day.
  • michellekicks
    michellekicks Posts: 3,624 Member
    100 over BMR is good but requires you to eat your exercise calories back over top of that.

    The Scooby's Workshop calculator is also good, but then you don't add exercise calories. I'm not sure if the Muscle & Strength one is with or without exercise. MFP's calculation is without exercise; that's why it adds exercise calories to your target each day you earn them.
  • MissLuana
    MissLuana Posts: 356
    I would suggest you use your TDEE and subtract 10-20% from that, here is the link I like best: http://www.iifym.com/tdee-calculator

    She still needs to know her correct BMR to use the TDEE formula :huh:
  • michellekicks
    michellekicks Posts: 3,624 Member
    Wait, those are different BMR calculations?! That's messed up. Where on MFP are you getting a BMR calculation?
  • My BMR came in about 3744 and I've been +/- 10% of that each day and I've been losing, but I am also WAY over what most normal people need to lose, so I can get away with coming close to or under my BMR since I have 205 pounds to lose.
  • kah68
    kah68 Posts: 1,515 Member

    This. I did an RMR assessment and have found the recommendation here is closest to the results of my assessment.
  • imhungry2012
    imhungry2012 Posts: 240 Member
    I would suggest you use your TDEE and subtract 10-20% from that, here is the link I like best: http://www.iifym.com/tdee-calculator

    She still needs to know her correct BMR to use the TDEE formula :huh:

    No you don't...but BMR is also on the site...:grumble:
  • newhabit
    newhabit Posts: 426 Member
    I like this one as well: http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator

    has always been pretty accurate for me.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    So I decided to look up my BMR again. And got three different responses from three different calculators.
    MFP - 1540
    BMI Calc.net - 1630
    Muscle and Strength.com - 1951

    Forget BMI methods, not intended for individuals but groups. Other one was combo BMR/TDEE thrown together.

    MFP Mifflin BMR 5% more accurate than Harris BMR from fat2fit site. Both are inflated when overweight.

    Katch going to be best bet, if you can get decent estimate of bodyfat%.

    http://www.gymgoal.com/dtools.html

    Bodyfat, then BMR.

    Still need to get TDEE on top of that though. Starting at bottom level can work, as mentioned 100 or 200 more than BMR, then you need to eat back your exercise calories, all of them.

    Scooby good for TDEE estimate too of course, find link for Most Accurate so you can select to use the Katch BMR, in case it's 200-400 different than Mifflin.

    Or all in one place, along with logging, and better activity calc.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/813720-spreadsheet-bmr-tdee-deficit-macro-calcs-hrm-zones
  • FitBeto
    FitBeto Posts: 2,121 Member
    freedieting.com

    Better then sex with a coral reef
  • cbart2818
    cbart2818 Posts: 188 Member
    http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/ I've found this to be pretty accurate (well it's worked out right for me)

    I used this one and have been losing weight at a nice pace now.
    You do not need to know your BMR first to calculate your TDEE. The information you plug in calculates that for you.

    I have a desk job, doing NROL4W 3x week, plus little cardio here and there. I chose Moderate Exercise for my activity level and TDEE - 15% and that works for me.

    My estimates from the site are:
    BMR = 1569
    TDEE = 2433
    TDEE -15% = 2068

    I don't eat back from workout calories burned unless my net falls below my estimated BMR and I ensure I don't eat over my TDEE every single day. My daily goal is set to around 2000 and I just eat within my means. I have been feeling great and the weight is slowly coming off.

    I hope you find something that works for you!
  • breajohnson
    breajohnson Posts: 109 Member
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  • I don't understand this at all (which is probably why I'm not losing weight)

    According to the calculations my BMR is right around 1600 - MFP gave me a calorie goal of 1200 but then I exercise and it increases my calories to 1600-1700 which is right at my BMR. So am I supposed to just eat the 1200 (which I have been) or do I follow the math and eat the higher calories.

    Please don't laugh at me :-(
  • tpfoodie
    tpfoodie Posts: 148 Member
    Ok, so now I have a new challenge.

    I think I'm going to up my calories to 1700. This is the inbetween point of my -20% of TDEE (around 1760) and my recommended calories from another site that considered BMR (1665).

    But now I have a new problem. I'm not hungry enough to eat all of these calories. And I'm not saying that to be all "omg I'm SOOO good at eating under my calories." I'm just literally not that hungry. I'm not quite sure what to do. I already eat breakfast every morning (300 - 400 calories) have a mid-sized lunch (500 -600 cals) and then eat whatever's around for dinner... normally I cap out at 1400 unless I force myself to eat some snacks like bananas or a smoothie.

    And on days like today when I miss breakfast, well... I had a HUGE lunch and only at 750 cals. Geez. :( Any recommendations for hitting my necessary cals?
  • Siege_Tank
    Siege_Tank Posts: 781 Member
    When I first joined MFP, ate 1200. Failed.

    Got the great advice to look up BMR. Did it. Set my eating to 100 calories more than BMR. Lost 5-6 lbs quickly.

    Then plateaued.

    So I decided to look up my BMR again. And got three different responses from three different calculators.
    MFP - 1540
    BMI Calc.net - 1630
    Muscle and Strength.com - 1951

    Uh. That's confusing.

    So now I'm trying to figure out A) which I should follow and B) how to much to eat ABOVE the BMR I select.

    I would love any recommendations on this.

    For the record, that's why I've been one of the people who advocate for a lower calorie diet than most of the TDEE -15% followers say, because I think that internet Calorie Calculators are GROSSLY innacurate.

    The best advice is to refrain from eating unless you are hungry, and know the difference between bored hunger and ACTUAL hunger. Listen to your body, not a number that may be +/- 20% off. 20% is the value of most people's calorie cuts..

    If you really want to know, find a bod pod for $40-70 or get a DXA scan for $100-200. Then you'll KNOW your true values for your body. Otherwise, just eat less. Embrace the feeling of slight hunger and know that when you feel it, you are eating your own stored fat.

    ETA: do NOT do this to get to a calorie goal:
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  • tpfoodie
    tpfoodie Posts: 148 Member
    I don't understand this at all (which is probably why I'm not losing weight)

    According to the calculations my BMR is right around 1600 - MFP gave me a calorie goal of 1200 but then I exercise and it increases my calories to 1600-1700 which is right at my BMR. So am I supposed to just eat the 1200 (which I have been) or do I follow the math and eat the higher calories.

    Please don't laugh at me :-(

    DON'T follow the 1200. That's the automatic setting for EVERY female wanting to lose two pounds per week. I did this for six months last year and actually gained weight b/c my body wasn't getting what it needed to function. Follow the math, and eat more. You'll lose more. :)
  • DebbieLyn63
    DebbieLyn63 Posts: 2,654 Member
    http://www.cordianet.com/calculator.htm

    Here's another link so you can get 2 more different numbers! These actually are the most accurate for me. Bottom line is that there is not one calculator that will give you the exact magic number. It all comes down to finding out what works for you by trial and error. Pick a number somewhere in the middle of all the numbers you find, and try it out for a few weeks. If you get the loss you want- great, if not, then go up or down a little and see if that works better.
  • DeanBurrows
    DeanBurrows Posts: 116 Member
    Online Calculators suck imo!


    SOME SCIENCE FOR YOU!



    BMR estimation formulas

    Several prediction equations exist. Historically most notable one was Harris-Benedict equation, which was created in 1919.

    The Original Harris-Benedict Equation:

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    for women, f630947dfd41972d0545d50853062482.png

    where P is total heat production at complete rest, m is the weight, h is the height, and a is the age, and with the difference in BMR for men and women being mainly due to differences in body weight. For example, a 55 year old woman weighing 130 lb (59 kg) and 5 feet 6 inches (168 cm) tall would have a BMR of 1272 kcal per day or 53 kcal/h (61.3 watts).

    In 1984, the original Harris-Benedict equations were revised using new data. In comparisons with actual expenditure, the revised equations were found to be more accurate.

    The Revised Harris-Benedict Equation:

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    for women, c3a9b78068ab68551279791a6a270986.png

    The Mifflin St Jeor Equation:

    It was the best prediction equation until 1990, when Mifflin et al introduced the equation:

    22cc21194c5a7831a85fbceae13c521c.png, where s is +5 for males and −161 for females.

    According to this formula, the woman in the example above has a BMR of 1204 kcal per day. During the last 100 years, lifestyles have changed and Frankenfield et al showed it to be about 5% more accurate.

    These formulas are based on body weight, which does not take into account the difference in metabolic activity between lean body mass and body fat. Other formulas exist which take into account lean body mass, two of which are the Katch-McArdle formula, and Cunningham formula. However, the Cunningham formula is used to predict RMR instead of BMR.

    The Katch-McArdle Formula (BMR):

    a1c671b8d26d578279f4087ec4724fdf.png, where LBM is the lean body mass in kg.

    According to this formula, if the woman in the example has a body fat percentage of 30%, her BMR would be 1263 kcal per day.

    The Cunningham Formula (RMR):

    7e176045783b88b7a6fa935ff499d0ee.png, where LBM is the lean body mass in kg.

    Since lean body mass is metabolically active vs. fat cells which need very few calories to be sustained, these formula tend to be more accurate, especially with athletes who have above average lean mass and little body fat.

    To calculate daily calorie needs, the BMR value is multiplied by a factor with a value between 1.2 and 1.9, depending on the person's physical activity level.

    Causes of individual differences in BMR
    The basal metabolic rate varies between individuals. One study of 150 adults representative of the population in Scotland reported basal metabolic rates from as low as 1027 kcal per day (4301 kJ) to as high as 2499 kcal (10455 kJ); with a mean BMR of 1500 kcal (6279 kJ). Statistically, the researchers calculated that 62.3% of this variation was explained by differences in fat free mass. Other factors explaining the variation included fat mass (6.7%), age (1.7%), and experimental error including within-subject difference (2%). The rest of the variation (26.7%) was unexplained. This remaining difference was not explained by sex nor by differing tissue sized of highly energetic organs such as the brain.

    Thus there are differences in BMR even when comparing two subjects with the same lean body mass. The top 5% of people are metabolizing energy 28-32% faster than individuals with the lowest 5% BMR. For instance, one study reported an extreme case where two individuals with the same lean body mass of 43 kg had BMRs of 1075 kcal/day (4.5 MJ) and 1790 kcal/day (7.5 MJ). This difference of 715 kcal (67%) is equivalent to one of the individuals completing a 10 kilometer run every day.


    There is science behind BMR and therefore TDEE, just some people don't do the research.

    Katch-McArdle formula below;

    -For Men to calculate BMR = 66 + (13.7 x weight in kg) + (5 x height in cm) – (6.8 x age in years)

    -For Women to calculate BMR = 655 + (9.6 x weight in kg) + (1.8 x height in cm) – (4.7 x age in years)

    ...For your weight, 1 kilogram = 2.2 pounds

    ...For your height, 1 inch = 2.54 cm

    Example #1: You are a male, 35 years old, 6 foot tall (182.88 cm), you weigh 200 pounds (91 kg). Your basal metabolic rate (BMR) will be 66 + 1246.7 + 914.4 – 238 = 1989.1 calorie intake per day!

    Example #2: You are a female, 35 years old, 5 feet 6 inches tall (170.69 cm), you weigh 132 pounds (60 kg). Your basal metabolic rate (BMR) will be 655 + 576 + 307.24 – 164.5 = 1373.74 calorie intake per day!

    Once you know your BMR (basal metabolic rate) then use your daily activity factor to get your total daily energy expenditure (TDEE):

    -Sedentary................BMR x 1.2 (little exercise)

    -Lightly active...........BMR x 1.375 (light exercise)

    -Moderately active.....BMR x 1.55 (moderate exercise)

    -Very active.............BMR x 1.725 (hard exercise)

    -Extremely active......BMR x 1.9 (hard exercise daily)

    For example #1... if you are a moderately active male…your TDEE will be 1989.1 calories times your activity level of 1.55 which equals 3083 calories per day.

    For example #2... if you are a moderately active female, your TDEE will be 1373.74 calories times your activity level of 1.55 which equals 2129.30 calories per day.

    The Harris-Benedict equation has a separate formula for men and women and is not as accurate as the one shown above.
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  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    I don't understand this at all (which is probably why I'm not losing weight)

    According to the calculations my BMR is right around 1600 - MFP gave me a calorie goal of 1200 but then I exercise and it increases my calories to 1600-1700 which is right at my BMR. So am I supposed to just eat the 1200 (which I have been) or do I follow the math and eat the higher calories.

    Please don't laugh at me :-(

    Actually, MFP gave you 1200 because of the selections you made.
    You selected Sedentary activity level probably whether true or not, or totally unknown, just to be on the safe side. That means MFP's BMR x 1.25 to come up with a daily maintenance that includes NO exercise.
    Notice activity levels reference no exercise.

    You then selected weekly loss goal, 1 lb recommended, most select 2 lbs to lose faster, whether that is wise or not or unknown.
    So 1000 comes off that daily maintenance figure.

    But MFP doesn't go below accepted safety minimum of 1200. BMR is only used in beginning of math.

    Now, when you do exercise and log it, you just increased your daily maintenance figure. So taking the 1000 off again means you end up with a higher figure.
    In essence eating your workout calories back to maintain that already included deficit in your daily goal.

    Bigger deficit is NOT better and usually backfires, which for many even the 2lb weekly ends up doing.
  • ash8184
    ash8184 Posts: 701 Member
    I would HIGHLY recommend you get your BMR tested. Go to a dietitian, and they'll have you blow in to a tube and will then tell you your BMR. The reason this is important is because nobody's metabolisms are the same (ie mine is on the very low side, so 1200 cal/day is what I need). My TDEE is 1897 cals/day, so even if I ate 20% under, I would have a hard time losing weight. Everyone is different, and getting an accurate measure of your BMR might really help! Just a thought.
  • Thank you! I went back and checked my settings and I did have it on Sedentary so I corrected it.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    I think I'm going to up my calories to 1700. This is the inbetween point of my -20% of TDEE (around 1760) and my recommended calories from another site that considered BMR (1665).

    But now I have a new problem. I'm not hungry enough to eat all of these calories. And I'm not saying that to be all "omg I'm SOOO good at eating under my calories." I'm just literally not that hungry. I'm not quite sure what to do. I already eat breakfast every morning (300 - 400 calories) have a mid-sized lunch (500 -600 cals) and then eat whatever's around for dinner... normally I cap out at 1400 unless I force myself to eat some snacks like bananas or a smoothie.

    And on days like today when I miss breakfast, well... I had a HUGE lunch and only at 750 cals. Geez. :( Any recommendations for hitting my necessary cals?

    And that is exactly what a shrunken stomach and screwed up hormones can do to you.

    Not feel hungry when you eaten too little for too long.

    Too little is determined by how much stress your body is willing to take with the diet before slowing down, besides the fact of burning off muscle mass if wrong exercise and protein levels.
    Too long is determined by genetics and body's past experience with yo-yo dieting and again stress. May be quick, may take a while.
    Usually speed there is opposite when trying to speed it back up again. Stressed out body willing to slow down quick rev's back up slowly, body that slowly decreased metabolism will rev up quickly. Generally speaking. And men win here too, more muscle mass, even when they lost some.

    Move up slowly if you haven't been loosing at a lower amount for over 3 weeks. If you have still, then you still have a deficit, move up quicker.

    So slowly would be 200 cal daily for a week at a time. Then another 200.

    Fast would be going up half-way for couple weeks, then the other half.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    I would HIGHLY recommend you get your BMR tested. Go to a dietitian, and they'll have you blow in to a tube and will then tell you your BMR. The reason this is important is because nobody's metabolisms are the same (ie mine is on the very low side, so 1200 cal/day is what I need). My TDEE is 1897 cals/day, so even if I ate 20% under, I would have a hard time losing weight. Everyone is different, and getting an accurate measure of your BMR might really help! Just a thought.

    Actually, BMR and RMR (Resting MR) based on Lean Body Mass are very accurate within 5% according to any studies where they have tested that. Unless your diet or a medical issue has suppressed it.
    That's because it just takes so much energy to handle the basic functions of metabolism. There is no efficiency differences between bodies. But hormones regulating temperature can effect it slightly.

    The RMR test could come in about what is expected for your age, weight, height estimate. But is it high or low for your amount of LBM? Don't know.

    And if the RMR test is low for age, weight, height. Is it low because you have less LBM than expected, or because you have suppressed it by eating too little for too long, or because you are genetically a tad under? Don't know.

    If you have the money, I'd recommend spending it on a Bodpod or DEXA scan to get with 5% accuracy of your LBM.

    And then that figure will be best thing to base your BMR on. No need losing more LBM if you already have lower than expected BMR by eating even less and burning off even more muscle.
  • hnsaunde
    hnsaunde Posts: 757 Member
    Ok, so now I have a new challenge.

    I think I'm going to up my calories to 1700. This is the inbetween point of my -20% of TDEE (around 1760) and my recommended calories from another site that considered BMR (1665).

    But now I have a new problem. I'm not hungry enough to eat all of these calories. And I'm not saying that to be all "omg I'm SOOO good at eating under my calories." I'm just literally not that hungry. I'm not quite sure what to do. I already eat breakfast every morning (300 - 400 calories) have a mid-sized lunch (500 -600 cals) and then eat whatever's around for dinner... normally I cap out at 1400 unless I force myself to eat some snacks like bananas or a smoothie.

    And on days like today when I miss breakfast, well... I had a HUGE lunch and only at 750 cals. Geez. :( Any recommendations for hitting my necessary cals?

    Healthy fats may be an option, depending on preference, allergies, and macro goals.

    Peanut butter, almond butter, nuts, olive oil while cooking

    I'd also suggest you read this link and read some of the threads in there:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/833026-important-posts-to-read