Isn't eating back exercise calories defeating the purpose?

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  • karakreature
    karakreature Posts: 79 Member
    I feel the same way. I was given 1950 calories a day, which is about 500 less than what is needed to maintain my weight with no exercise. I exercise 6 days a week and burn about 500 calories each day. Which gives me 2450 to eat. I usually end up consuming between 1600 and 1900 a day. I figured this based on weight loss. I am never hungry so am not starving myself. If I go over this amount too many days, I don't lose much if any weight. If I go less than this, I don't lose much if any weight. When I figured my BMR/TDEE, it comes to about this # anyway. I didn't even figure those #'s until two days ago when a friend on here commented about my intake. I really think it is what works for you. I do believe you need to take in at least 1600 to get proper nutrition and what you're eating is very important. Technically, I could find a way to eat fast food and fit it into my calorie goal but we all know that is no good for you. Figure your BMR/TDEE, see what works best for you, make sure you're eating healthy and aren't starving, and don't worry about everyone elses opinion.
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
    It's only the premise of how this web site works.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/818082-exercise-calories-again-wtf
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
  • Ginn123
    Ginn123 Posts: 20 Member
    The idea of 'eating back your calories' is that MFP already provides a significant calorie deficit, even if you do no exercise. So if you have your settings for a 1000 calorie deficit (2lb a week) and burn 400 calories at the gym, you can eat an extra 400 calories and still be at a 1000 calorie deficit. And unless you're significantly overweight, a bigger deficit that that can actually be unhealthy.

    That being said, I don't like the system MFP has set up. I don't trust their exercise calorie counts, and I don't like how much I eat being contingent on if it's a workout day. SO, I use a TDEE calculator (ex: http://scoobysworkshop.com/calorie-calculator/) which takes into account roughly how much you exercise and spits out a number that you should eat every day. In that case, you DON'T your exercise calories back.

    Thanks for posting, I'm going to look up this TDEE calculator.
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    ok, lets all take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

    Everything about this losing weight thing is an estimate... there is no exact science to all this. We estimate how many calories we eat. We estimate how many calories we burn. We estimate how many cals we need to maintain weight. We estimate how many cals we need to lose X weight per week. Etc. We are constantly estimating everything we do. Even HRMs are estimates.

    So basically we all start with an approach, typically either MFP's approach (x cals per day + eating back exercise cals) or TDEE - 20% (or whatever % you want to decrease) (x cals per day and NOT eating back exercise cals). We do the approach for a while (ideally we follow the guidelines of that approach as closely as we can) and gauge progress, then tweak as necessary.

    Once we find what works, we usually end up with some modified version of the approach we originally started with. Why? Because of the estimates. We over estimate on food or our initial TDEE calculation was off or whatever else, so we modify things to make up for the errors in our estimates.

    That doesn't mean that the approach didn't work, or that one approach is better than another. It just means that some trial and error is a necessary part of all this.

    The moral of the story? Pick an approach and do it as accurately as possible for a month or longer. Then gauge your results. Then post about why your results were not what you expected and try to learn the finer details. At that point you can start making changes. If you make changes before you understand what's going on, how do you know if those changes will help or hurt your progress? And even if you see results, how do you know they were because of the changes you made and not some other variable?

    OK, now I'm starting to ramble... but the point is this... you are on this site for a reason. Yes, to lose weight, but also because you need help losing weight. If you need help then you have to realize you don't know everything. So either do your research first then take an educated approach to all this, or pick a plan and follow it to the T. Don't assume you know more than the plan does. Don't ask for help, then say, "that's wrong, I'm going to ignore that and do my own thing."
  • ademiter
    ademiter Posts: 176 Member
    Here's how I see it:

    My goal is 1200 calories a day WITHOUT exercise (the "deficit" word that seems to confuse some of us - I know it did me).

    Any exercise I do burns some of those calories, so I need to refuel (eat all or at least some of those calories back) to meet my original goal of 1200 calories.

    Eat 1200 MINUS 500 exercise = 700 calories (which isn't enough) Eating back that 250-500 calories helps refuel the body so you don't go into MFP's perception of "starvation mode." If your body doesn't get enough food/nutrients, it's going to store what fat it does have.

    I've read in many forums on here that some individuals find it hard to lose weight but when you look at their diaries, they aren't eating enough (meaning, they aren't eating back at least some of their exercise calories). I hope this helps :) I know how confusing it is sometimes because of the mixed reviews. :)
  • Ginn123
    Ginn123 Posts: 20 Member
    If it helps, think of it this way:


    You need a Caloric deficit to lose weight. Whether that deficit comes from diet, exercise, or a combination of both is personal preference.

    When you joined MFP, you likely took their suggestion to lose 1 lb per week - which is a 500 Calorie deficit. As an example, let's say 2000 Calories would be for maintenance, so MFP has you at 1500 Calories per day.

    1) You could eat 1500 Cals and not work out and lose approximately 1 lb per week, or...

    2) You could eat 1500 Cals to start, work out and burn 500 more - for a total deficit of 1000 Cals. This means you'd "eat back" those 500 Cals you burnt off, in order to keep the 500 Cal deficit intact, even though you are now eating 2000 Cals - all while reaping the fitness benefits of exercise, or...

    3) You could simply eat 2000 Cals and workout and burn 500 off, thus creating your daily 500 Cal deficit.


    In all of the above cases, you've created a 500 Calorie daily deficit, so you'll lose the 1 lb per week you expect. However, many people like option 2 because it allows you to eat more on workout days - so you should feel fuller on those days - and it allows a deficit on days you don't work out.


    I hope that helps clear it up.

    Wow, this makes a whole lot of sense. Thanks for posting!
  • Pepper2185
    Pepper2185 Posts: 994 Member
    Man I hope not or I have been doing it all wrong..... lol But Seriously it depends on what method you are using. If you are using MFP method then you need to eat back a good portion of those calories but if you are figuring by TDEE then no you would not eat them back... I have always used the MFP approach myself, so I eat mine back... Best of Luck.....

    I'd listen to the guy who lost 300+ pounds.

    Dang!
  • chels0722
    chels0722 Posts: 465 Member
    You don't always have to eat back your exercise calories. If your calorie intake is based off of TDEE -20% or more, than your exercise calories are factored in already. The only time you really need to eat back your exercise calories is when you net below your BMR. You always need enough calories in your body to sustain organ functions.
  • megsmom2
    megsmom2 Posts: 2,362 Member
    Did you read the FAQs to find out how MFP works? Do that..good explanations there.
  • ciphermonk
    ciphermonk Posts: 3
    The idea is to be at a slight caloric deficit in order to lose weight.

    I also find that intermediate fasting can be a very effective way to drop the pounds. In additional to cleaning up your diet, "when" you eat is important too. For example if you change your eating schedule to where you eat all of your meals within an 8 hour window, you will lose weight.

    Outside of the 8 hour window, consume nothing else but water. So breakfast, lunch and dinner all have to be eaten which 8 hours. Within 2 weeks, you'll start seeing the weight come off.

    You'll preserve your muscle and still consistently drop fat using this method. It takes a while to get used to. It's really effective though. It's been just what I needed to get ripped and not lose any strength in the process.
  • taso42
    taso42 Posts: 8,980 Member
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  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    The idea is to be at a slight caloric deficit in order to lose weight.

    I also find that intermediate fasting can be a very effective way to drop the pounds. In additional to cleaning up your diet, "when" you eat is important too. For example if you change your eating schedule to where you eat all of your meals within an 8 hour window, you will lose weight.

    Outside of the 8 hour window, consume nothing else but water. So breakfast, lunch and dinner all have to be eaten which 8 hours. Within 2 weeks, you'll start seeing the weight come off.

    You'll preserve your muscle and still consistently drop fat using this method. It takes a while to get used to. It's really effective though. It's been just what I needed to get ripped and not lose any strength in the process.


    http://quick-fat-loss.info

    Wow... this post started out with such promise, then went right down the toilet. The first line is right, the rest is crap.
  • AmyRhubarb
    AmyRhubarb Posts: 6,890 Member
    Isn't eating back exercise calories defeating the purpose?
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    As others have said, MFP is set up so that you are already at a deficit at your daily calorie goal - so if you eat to goal WITHOUT any exercise, you lose weight. When you workout but don't eat back those calories you burned off, you are created a HUGE deficit, which is not good, and can lead to all sorts of problems long term. And many many many people have found that at that level, weight loss eventually stalls, they get frustrated, tired, burnt out, cranky, and give up.

    Been there, done that, except for the giving up part - I found this thread that many others have already posted, and have had great success and plenty of food ever since. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/654536-in-place-of-a-road-map-2-0-revised-7-2-12
  • GoneKona
    GoneKona Posts: 87
    Being healthy is great, but I think most people bust their butt at the gym because they want to get healthy AND lose weight.

    There we go. I've never heard someone say, "I want to work out so that I can be healthier" without also saying that they want to lose weight. I know I'm doing this whole bullcrap to lose weight! I don't count calories because I want to be healthy -- I am healthy. I know working out makes me feel good, but it's also supposed to make me lose weight. Right? Yes, being strong is sexy, but I personally think skinny is also sexy. I want to be skinnier, and I think I can be strong, too.

    How bout this for simplicity: If you don't eat back the calories, you will lose weight slower? Does that help?
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Alright most people have good points.. and I'm understanding how the whole mfp system works better. (also to the guy who's lost 311 lbs, that's just freaking awesome)

    So now I have another question... MFP has my caloric deficit set to 630 a day. I set it to lose 2 lbs per week. If 3500 calories is about a pound, shouldn't my deficit be at 1000 per day? I know I can't eat under 1200, and I wouldn't want to, but I can make the deficit bigger through burning calories exercising. Or does are there other reasons factoring in (I have about 40 lbs to lose, and I'm a 5'3" female), that would make a 1000 cal deficit too much?

    I wold suggest that a 1,000 deficit (which = 2lb a week roughly) is too much with the amount you have to lose and the 630 is fine. Remember, this is included in your base so eat most of your exercise calories back otherwise you will be making the deficit too large.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    The idea is to be at a slight caloric deficit in order to lose weight.

    I also find that intermediate fasting can be a very effective way to drop the pounds. In additional to cleaning up your diet, "when" you eat is important too. For example if you change your eating schedule to where you eat all of your meals within an 8 hour window, you will lose weight.

    Outside of the 8 hour window, consume nothing else but water. So breakfast, lunch and dinner all have to be eaten which 8 hours. Within 2 weeks, you'll start seeing the weight come off.

    You'll preserve your muscle and still consistently drop fat using this method. It takes a while to get used to. It's really effective though. It's been just what I needed to get ripped and not lose any strength in the process.


    http://quick-fat-loss.info

    Wow... this post started out with such promise, then went right down the toilet. The first line is right, the rest is crap.

    ^^yep. IF is not some magical method of losing weight - it is a way for some people to adhere to a caloric deficit and fit it in with their lifestyle.
  • IronPlayground
    IronPlayground Posts: 1,594 Member
    Alright most people have good points.. and I'm understanding how the whole mfp system works better. (also to the guy who's lost 311 lbs, that's just freaking awesome)

    So now I have another question... MFP has my caloric deficit set to 630 a day. I set it to lose 2 lbs per week. If 3500 calories is about a pound, shouldn't my deficit be at 1000 per day? I know I can't eat under 1200, and I wouldn't want to, but I can make the deficit bigger through burning calories exercising. Or does are there other reasons factoring in (I have about 40 lbs to lose, and I'm a 5'3" female), that would make a 1000 cal deficit too much?

    Based on the ticker on your page you've already lost 11 of that 43. With only 32 lbs to your goal, 2 lbs/wk is too much. Change your goal to a pound a week.
  • mdh185
    mdh185 Posts: 49 Member
    What if I just eat my exercise calories but don't eat my BMR calories? Will that work?
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    What if I just eat my exercise calories but don't eat my BMR calories? Will that work?
    So you're saying you want to eat your EAT cals?
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    What if I just eat my exercise calories but don't eat my BMR calories? Will that work?

    Your BMR is likely to be in excess of 1,800 calories - that is too large of a deficit. Plus, you are missing NEAT (non-exercise activity).
  • mdh185
    mdh185 Posts: 49 Member
    My sense of sarcasm just does not work on MFP. :-)
  • cmriverside
    cmriverside Posts: 34,422 Member
    I just wanted to say Taso FTW. The rejected stamp is awesome.

    ...and I agree with everyone...

    Use the site as it is set up. Don't over-think this. Re-evaluate in a month. In the meantime, educate yourself. There are lots of conflicting ways to figure your calories. This site does a good job if you use it honestly and don't try to be too aggressive when setting your weight-loss Goal here. Keep this in mind when using the tools to set up your goals:

    If you have 75+ lbs to lose 2 lbs/week is ideal,
    If you have 40-75 lbs to lose 1.5 lbs/week is ideal,
    If you have 25-40 lbs to lose 1 lbs/week is ideal,
    If you have 15 -25 lbs to lose 0.5 to 1.0 lbs/week is ideal, and
    If you have less than 15 lbs to lose 0.5 lbs/week is ideal.

    You are responsible for choosing an accurate activity level. Don't try to speed up the process by choosing "Sedentary" just because it is an option.

    Almost no one is Sedentary. If you care for children at home, or go to school or have any type of job, you are not Sedentary. Choose accordingly.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    My sense of sarcasm just does not work on MFP. :-)

    They *really* need a sarcasm font here!
  • mdh185
    mdh185 Posts: 49 Member
    Yes they do.

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