Muscle weighs more than fat (?!!!)

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  • NicholeElizabeth92
    NicholeElizabeth92 Posts: 186 Member
    I agree 1lb of fat does equal 1lb of well anything that you could make weigh a lb in terms of volume (a cubic foot) fat does weigh weigh more
  • NRSPAM
    NRSPAM Posts: 961 Member
    Obviously, 1 pound of fat is equal to 1 pound of muscle. Just like 1 pound of feathers weighs the same as 1 pound of steel. Obviously the volume would be different, but 1 lb is 1lb. Does that mean that steel doesn't weight more than feathers? If you take a bag of steel, and a bag of feathers, same volume, will the steel not weight more? I have learned from experience that when you initially build muscle, and burn fat at the same time, the muscle will replace the fat. You WILL then lose inches, and not weight. Once you have most of the muscle you will gain, you will continue burning fat, that's when you will see the weight loss. It took me about 2-3 weeks to see a change in the scale, however, I lost 6 inches my first week, and 13 inches the second week.
  • NRSPAM
    NRSPAM Posts: 961 Member
    Bottom line is, I believe most of us (that are trying to lose weight) are really wanting to lose inches. They're wanting to be smaller. I wouldn't care what the number on the scale said if I was a size 8, and appeared to be "skinny."
  • TheCats_Meow
    TheCats_Meow Posts: 438 Member
    It's 2013, people. Why is this topic still up for debate? :noway:
  • baotzu
    baotzu Posts: 28
    Weight (w) = Mass (m) * Gravity (g)
    Density (d) = Mass / Volume (V)

    Therefore,
    m = w/g
    and
    m = dV

    From this, we can say that
    w/g = dV

    Now solve for w..
    w=dVg

    This is why "muscle weighs more than fat".

    So now you've got physics and science disagreeing with you, too.
  • NRSPAM
    NRSPAM Posts: 961 Member
    You can look at 1lb of fat, and 1lb of muscle, and see the difference in volume. You don't need to be weighed in a pool.
  • ambrosij
    ambrosij Posts: 317 Member
    Actually a lot of scales do, do this...they measure weight, body fat %, water %, and the remaining is obviously muscle %. These scales have been proven more accurate then the old caliper method. Additionally, if you are overweight and you hit the weights in the gym, you WILL gain weight. If you eat clean, hit the weights, there is a good chance your weight may never change as your body transforms...or you will experience a slight increase in weight. It is virtually impossible to diet, cut weight, and at the same time build lean muscle.
  • SchroederNJ
    SchroederNJ Posts: 189 Member
    "This is why, at Olympic Games level, no afro-carribeans win medals at swimming. Their greater body density means that they sink further into the water an create greater 'drag', so can't reach the speeds of the other swimmers."


    WHAT???
  • french_press
    french_press Posts: 18

    So. if two people of equal weight (on bathroom scales) were assessed by this method, the person with greater muscle mass would appear to weigh more.....under water..... than the person with a higher proportion of body fat. (Body fat means greater buoyancy).

    This is why, at Olympic Games level, no afro-carribeans win medals at swimming. Their greater body density means that they sink further into the water an create greater 'drag', so can't reach the speeds of the other swimmers.

    NOTE: This isn't 'racist'.... it's a simple matter of human physiology.


    SERIOUSLY?!

    NOTE: Saying that you aren't 'racist' doesn't mean that the statement you made wasn't racist...and it's frightening that you actually believe that.
  • perfect_storm
    perfect_storm Posts: 326 Member
    This is why, at Olympic Games level, no afro-carribeans win medals at swimming. Their greater body density means that they sink further into the water an create greater 'drag', so can't reach the speeds of the other swimmers.

    NOTE: This isn't 'racist'.... it's a simple matter of human physiology.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cullen_Jones

    cullen-jones-wins-silver.jpg

    1 - thank you Thomas for getting Cullen's pic before i could.

    2 - how do you think that essentially saying "black ppl can't swim" is NOT racist?? please, i need this logic explained to me.

    3 - i have a high body fat % (this is obvious if you look at the ticker) i can float like a CHAMP, and i'm a decent swimmer (it's something i enjoy doing) but i could never HOPE to keep up w/ olympic level swimmers. your hypothesis is LAUGHABLE.


    Thank you, to the two users for pointing this out to the genius who posted this ridiculous theory about afro-Caribbean people. Unreal. :angry: OP do some research before posting junk.
  • digitalbath11
    digitalbath11 Posts: 3 Member
    [Weight (w) = Mass (m) * Gravity (g)
    Density (d) = Mass / Volume (V)

    Therefore,
    m = w/g
    and
    m = dV

    From this, we can say that
    w/g = dV

    Now solve for w..
    w=dVg

    This is why "muscle weighs more than fat".

    So now you've got physics and science disagreeing with you, too. ]



    Math...

    Hurts people's eyes!
  • mojohowitz
    mojohowitz Posts: 900 Member
    It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.
  • jilliew
    jilliew Posts: 255 Member
    Oh, I would also like to add another "stupid" post. I would argue that people DO measure themselves by volume. All the time. The space you take up in the environment around you is volume, is it not? Do people not measure their waistlines in inches? Do people not observe the volume they take up with they look in the mirror? Or the amount of material it takes to cover their bodies?
  • BrotherBill913
    BrotherBill913 Posts: 662 Member
    Wrong. Muscle DOES weigh more than fat. 1 cubic inch of muscle WEIGHS MORE than 1 cubic inch of fat. Period.

    You don't weigh yourself by cubic inches.

    Yeahhhh!!!! What she said!!! ^^^^ :):)
  • WandaWoman41
    WandaWoman41 Posts: 153 Member
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  • jilliew
    jilliew Posts: 255 Member
    In reply to members here who insist on believing this ridiculous idea...

    Read the original post properly before replying.

    If you can't manage that, bear this in mind....

    Humans are not 'weighed' by volume, so 'weight by volume' is completely irrelevant.
    'Weight' is a measurement of the effect of gravity on mass. Nothing to do with 'volume'.

    Do bathroom scales measure volume? No.

    This ridiculous idea ("muscle weighs more than fat") is, unfortunately, entrenched in societal belief and regularly quoted as 'profound knowledge', misleading people with an excuse as to why they haven't lost 'weight'.
    (The explanation of the origin of this is clearly explained in the original post.)

    1lb of muscle = 1lb of fat........ by weight.

    Weight by 'volume' is completely irrelevant.

    Does anyone have scales that measure body composition by volume?
    Simple answer.....No.

    Many studies have conclusively proven that weight (fat) loss is best achieved through a combination of healthy diet, activity/aerobic exercise, and resistance training.

    Resistance training preserves muscle mass but doesn't always mean gain. The method of training determines if muscle mass will be gained. It's more difficult for women that men, due to levels of testosterone. Muscle is the body tissue that burns fat as fuel.

    Rather than using scales, use a tape measure.
    That will indicate fat loss by showing loss of circumference, and body fat, particularly visceral fat in the torso.

    So, let's say that you work out. The number on the scale does not go down. The inches in your butt DO go down. How, then, would you explain this with your vast logic?
  • ambrosij
    ambrosij Posts: 317 Member
    Actually...he is partially right on the Afro-Carribean comment. African Americans, in general, have a greater bone density than Caucasians. Therefore, they are more apt to sink than float...this means that they would have to work harder to swim than someone who is more buoyant. There are of course exceptions to the rule and at the elite level of Olympic swimmers to their muscle mass is so great I'm not sure the 300 gram bone density would make much of a difference.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9024231
  • abberbabber
    abberbabber Posts: 972 Member
    It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a one pound coconut.

    It could grip it by the husk!
  • abberbabber
    abberbabber Posts: 972 Member
    Rather than using scales, use a tape measure.
    That will indicate fat loss by showing loss of circumference, and body fat, particularly visceral fat in the torso.

    But you said that's not possible since muscle doesn't weigh more than fat...
  • VorJoshigan
    VorJoshigan Posts: 1,106 Member
    Seriously? This is still going on?!
    Does anyone have scales that measure body composition by volume?
    Simple answer.....No.
    Yes. It's called a mirror. Or a tape measure. Or clothes. If the tape measurements are getting smaller, but the scale number is not, then I know that my weight per unit volume is increasing. i.e. I am getting denser.
    Many studies have conclusively proven that weight (fat) loss is best achieved through a combination of healthy diet, activity/aerobic exercise, and resistance training.
    Is somebody disputing that fact here?
    Rather than using scales, use a tape measure.
    That will indicate fat loss by showing loss of circumference, and body fat, particularly visceral fat in the torso.
    Exactly! Because muscles weighs more per unit volume than fat does and your tape measures volume (indirectly).
  • Ecce_Signum
    Ecce_Signum Posts: 226 Member
    <snip>muscles weighs more per unit volume than fat does </snip>

    Surely this is the statement to end this? Am new here and guess this type of thread is a weekly occurrence but by weight everything weighs the same surely? one pound of X weighs the same as one pound of Y. Now, when you suffix your statement with 'by volume' then you can say "one pound of X weighs more than one pound of Y"
  • NRSPAM
    NRSPAM Posts: 961 Member
    Hahaha!!! Weekly occurence??? No! More like every 2 second occurence!!! Lololol.. Welcome to the threads..stay away!!! Bahahahaha
  • NRSPAM
    NRSPAM Posts: 961 Member
    People just like to post stuff like this to make everyone crazy n get P'd off! Lolol..
  • Hadabetter
    Hadabetter Posts: 942 Member
    <snip>muscles weighs more per unit volume than fat does </snip>

    Surely this is the statement to end this? Am new here and guess this type of thread is a weekly occurrence but by weight everything weighs the same surely? one pound of X weighs the same as one pound of Y. Now, when you suffix your statement with 'by volume' then you can say "one pound of X weighs more than one pound of Y"
    Correct! According to these idiots everything weighs the same!
  • Mexicanbigfoot
    Mexicanbigfoot Posts: 520 Member
    I am really glad to see someone break this down. I never understood when people told me "a pound of muscle weights more than a pound of fat" Ummm...a pound is a pound :)
  • brunetteavoxgirl
    brunetteavoxgirl Posts: 88 Member
    But "fat" takes up more space. If you are composed by a high% of fat you will be BIGGER than a person who weighs the same as you that is composed of more muscle. Therefore, the fact that fat is less dense than muscle is an issue if you are trying to lose inches.
    This.
    I legitimately do not care about the number on the scale. I care about the number in my jeans.
    I only set myself a goal weight to give me something to track for. If I never reach it, but am at a healthy fat percentage and stuff, then that is cool with me.
  • tross0924
    tross0924 Posts: 909 Member
    Weight (w) = Mass (m) * Gravity (g)
    Density (d) = Mass / Volume (V)

    Therefore,
    m = w/g
    and
    m = dV

    From this, we can say that
    w/g = dV

    Now solve for w..
    w=dVg

    This is why "muscle weighs more than fat".

    So now you've got physics and science disagreeing with you, too.

    w=d*(m/d)*g

    w=mg

    Oh look, I eliminated a variable and simplified the equation.

    This is entirely an argument of semantics. Yes, when people say muscle weighs more than fat it does imply an equal volume. (Except for a few really really not so bright people who think a pound of feathers when put on the scale will weigh less than a pound of rocks)

    The people that have a problem with this are "grammatically correcting" your science.
  • Macstraw
    Macstraw Posts: 896 Member
    Weight (w) = Mass (m) * Gravity (g)
    Density (d) = Mass / Volume (V)

    Therefore,
    m = w/g
    and
    m = dV

    From this, we can say that
    w/g = dV

    Now solve for w..
    w=dVg

    This is why "muscle weighs more than fat".

    So now you've got physics and science disagreeing with you, too.

    w=d*(m/d)*g

    w=mg

    Oh look, I eliminated a variable and simplified the equation.

    This is entirely an argument of semantics. Yes, when people say muscle weighs more than fat it does imply an equal volume. (Except for a few really really not so bright people who think a pound of feathers when put on the scale will weigh less than a pound of rocks)

    The people that have a problem with this are "grammatically correcting" your science.

    & that's the crux of it - the "I have to use semantics to be more correct than everybody else" thing just to stir people up......
  • CrazyTrackLady
    CrazyTrackLady Posts: 1,337 Member
    Maybe people are getting confused between mass and weight. Mass is the amount of matter that takes up a known space (and is represented by volume). Weight is in reference to the amount of gravity forced upon an object. Let's think of it this way: I would WEIGH less on the moon, and in a pool, than I would on earth's surface. However, I have the same MASS in all three locations.


    BTW, I taught this very concept to my 6th graders. They got it.
  • nsblue
    nsblue Posts: 331 Member
    what's the difference really? give me a pound a muscle any-day over a pound a fat... for muscle burns calories just existing:)

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