weight watchers v calorie counting

My issue with WW is that they put you on a lower point/calorie diet. I am not familiar with the new point system, but the old system had me on 19 points a day (plus 35 bonus points a week). At that system, 19 points averaged to under 1000 calories a day... a little more if you ate a lot of high fiber/low fat foods, but still not much. I could drop 5 pounds easily any time I wanted with WW, but then I would plateau and I only needed to look at a normal sized meal to gain the 5 pounds back almost immediately.

I learned (from everyone here!) how to determine BMR and TDEE and learned my BMR is around 1300 - so the WW diet had me eating entirely too few calories in a day. Great for a quick loss, but not sustainable. My company offers WW on-site a couple times a year so i know a lot of people who have signed up over the years and most feel very tired and many gain the weight back the moment they are off the program.

So while I think WW has some good points to it, I also don't see it as a long-term solution due to the lower calorie consumption. Just my opinion.

I tried MFP last Jan but wasn't dedicated and didn't log in so through neglect gained another 7 or so pounds. A friend of mine joined WW the fall and I decided to join as well. Since Oct I have lost 51.1 lbs. WW uses the points plus system. Just introduced the 360 program. I really don't see any difference in the two.

For me I couldn't do it on my own and needed a program to get me started. WW did it. I started out with 29 points a day and am now down to 26. It does cost money but I really needed help (I'm in the military and fitness is important and a big part of the routine. Getting older and with the 50 extra pounds I was carrying around I was afraid I'd have a heart attack or something) and was willing to pay the $50 a month. I like the weekly meetings and info I get. I was curious though to see how the points add up against calories. My 26 points a day work out to 1200 calories and i find that satisfying. I was eating so many empty calories before. WW has really helped me get the boost for a healthier lifestyle I needed

As for MFP I have to say I absolutely love this. It's great for the online support and I do like the online way better than WW. MFP is so much more user friendly and the message boards are awesome. IMO WW still has work to do with their online program. Actual meetings are their on their strong point and I really enjoy my weekly weigh ins/meeting. So I will continue doing both.

My issue with WW is that they put you on a lower point/calorie diet. I am not familiar with the new point system, but the old system had me on 19 points a day (plus 35 bonus points a week). At that system, 19 points averaged to under 1000 calories a day... a little more if you ate a lot of high fiber/low fat foods, but still not much. I could drop 5 pounds easily any time I wanted with WW, but then I would plateau and I only needed to look at a normal sized meal to gain the 5 pounds back almost immediately.

I learned (from everyone here!) how to determine BMR and TDEE and learned my BMR is around 1300 - so the WW diet had me eating entirely too few calories in a day. Great for a quick loss, but not sustainable. My company offers WW on-site a couple times a year so i know a lot of people who have signed up over the years and most feel very tired and many gain the weight back the moment they are off the program.

So while I think WW has some good points to it, I also don't see it as a long-term solution due to the lower calorie consumption. Just my opinion.

I don't think that gaining the weight back after "going off" weight watchers has anything to do with the program.
First of all, once you reach your goal weight and maintain it for 6 weeks, you are a "lifetime member". It is supposed to teach you how to eat permanently - so there is nothing to 'go off of". If they gained all the weight back, then they stopped eating properly. Period.
I know at least 7 people personally that lost a considerable amount of weight on Weight Watchers and didn't gain back any of it. My sister in law lost 50 lbs 15 years ago and has kept it off ever since. My mom lost 40 lbs and has kept it off for the last 10 years.

I've been a member since 2001, and I don't recall ever being given points below 20. As you mentioned, you can get more points worth if you eat higher fiber foods and less fat- which is what the old points system was geared towards. You also had the flex points, and you were supposed to eat your activity points).

26 WW points is equal to about 1200 calories a day, which also includes the free fruit.

Each person also gets 49 weekly points which are to be spent on splurges, outings with friends, etc.

I didn't find it necessary to go that low, and lost most of my weight doing 29 points.

As you can see by the numbers, WW is not a VLC diet.

Anybody who's ever done the program knows this.

I am 5'1.5" and a veggie. I did WW Online before Points Plus and lost 16 pounds to goal steadily and easily. I liked the flexibility to eat real food, whatever I wanted, in sensible portions. I was a big fan. Then I tossed it aside because I thought I didn't need to log forever (I have learned since I will be logging for the rest of my life). I put about 8 back on before I decided I had to go back. It was Points Plus then. I worked the plan for 2 months and lost 1 pound. For a petite veggie, who eats lots of fruits and veggies as the basis of their diet, I didn't think the Points Plus program worked for me. I came to MFP and lost readily again. More complete food database for my needs as well (I had to manually enter a lot on WW). I never did meetings so that was a non-issue. Bottom line for me is that MFP is free. I have to monitor portion control and log to lose and MFP lets me do that. I can't imagine taking the time to do both: if it's free, it's for me.

I used to do WW, and I tried it for a long, long time. I dropped seven pounds very quickly, and then stalled. Nothing. I was also always hungry. I logged. I ate fruit when I was hungry. I exercised. I did everything I was supposed to do. And I was MISERABLE.

Right before I cancelled my membership -- I figured if I wanted to pay someone for me to be hungry and miserable, I'd just cut back food and stick it in my savings account -- I totaled up the calorie count of what my allotted points gave me. I was barely clearing 1,000 calories a day. No wonder I was miserable and plateauing! As soon as I stopped doing WW and ate normal portions -- but up to a whopping 1,300 calories a day -- the pounds came back with a vengeance. Considering that my BMR is around 1,480... well, you can see why I found that ridiculous.

I've been much happier on MFP. The loss has been slower, but that's because I set that to be slower. I want to lose gradually, and not be miserable, and I want to keep the weight off.

WW was excellent at reteaching me about what a normal portion looked like. But I think if you don't have a lot to lose (my goal is around 20 pounds, and was even less then), and you're very active, that you simply don't get enough calories.

If you, or anyone feels they are starving while doing Weight Watchers then you are doing something wrong. As people said above and below, you get additional weekly points, there should be no reason you are starving. While the plan is designed to lose more weight quicker, you don't have to do that and if you aren't losing then you would obviously want to increase your points a little bit, either by making sure you eat those extra points, or increasing your daily points until you lose weight. If you are very active, as you stated above, then you need to eat your activity points, or you obviously won't be netting enough calories, because they aren't included in your daily points allowance.

That also makes no sense that you increased your calories to 1300 and then gained weight if that was still under your BMR. You need to eat above your TDEE in order to gain weight - so something doesn't add up there, and that also has nothing to do with Weight Watchers itself. You also said that you stopped doing weight watchers and started eating normal portions, so what were you eating before? WW teaches you how to eat normal portions, which you said so yourself.

The points system is based on the macros of the food you eat - if you eat foods that are higher in certain macros but lower in calories, then you are going to use up all your points and still be at a very low calorie count.
If you want to make sure that you are eating enough calories - while eating the correct amount of points - then you need to make better food choices. It is that simple - and THAT is what Weight Watchers is supposed to teach you. I have no problem staying within my points, feeling full, having energy, AND eating well above 1200 calories every day.

I agree. I feel the opposite. WW pushes you to healthier, whole foods, not processed foods. It is more points for processed, less nutritious foods. Cup of brown rice or some sugary cereal where you will be hungry soon. If you want to get the most bang for your buck, you find that you can eat more food and stay within you points if the food is healthy. And fruits and most veggie are zero points - again encouraging healthier eating. I have done weight watchers for some time and I am glad that I started with it because it has taught me to eat healthier foods. Right now I am double tracking (WW & MFP) because I wanted a full picture of what I was eating and wanted to see how many calories I was consuming compared to the points.

I have been on weight watchers for the past year and just cancelled my subscription. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED Weight Watchers. I think that the thing that weight watchers really teaches its members is portion control and not depriving yourself. They allow for the occasional treat and give you great tools and support. I learned so much about my eating habits and how to fix them.

I also got to the point where my daily points were not enough and I was eating to little. I work out daily and burn 500-800 calories 6 days a week (more if it is a long run for half marathon trianing). Using my dailies and even all of my weeklies was not giving me the fuel I needed and my weight loss has stalled. Thats why I joined MFP so I could watch the calories and really increase intake on high calorie burn days. I have been double tracking in MFP and WW and realized the get to my calorie goal, I wasusing all of my daily points, weekly points, and about a third of my activity points earned. I so was not eating enough.

I would totally say to do weight watchers if you need to learn the tools for healthy eating, it really is the best way that I found. MFP is great once you have those tools and can apply them.

I am currently a lifetime WW member and I continute to track alongside MFP, I lost 80 + pounds on WW and I agree that they are very close in values. The only thing that WW offers in the meeting encouragement, this was never helpful to me though, the $$$$ being spent was main motivator! lol I like the online supoort of both groups.

Can't you follow the plan without paying?

I never understood how they continued to make money. They tell you what to do and you do it on your own, why do people continue to pay?

I'm doing WW and quite happy with it. I needed the group to get me started. I'm getting near my goal weight and once i'm there it will be free. I like MFP to see how many calories I'm getting also the online message boards and tracker is quite user friendly

I have a coworker who did WW and eventually became a couselor. I like comparing our menus. Here is a sample day.

Breakfast:
Me: A multi grain sandwich thin with an egg and a slice of 2% cheese. (Very filling around 220 calories and protein packed)
Her: 1 pop tart

Morning Snack
Me: container of yogurt or a cup of fruit and almonds
Her: mini Reese cups

Lunch:
Me: Usually a sandwich with lean turkey and mustard; and some fruit
Her: Subway or fast food french fries

Afternoon Snack:
Me: A sugar free pudding cup
Her: Ginger Snaps

Dinner:
Me: Grilled chicken or fish and steamed vegetables
Her: pound cake and cheez it crackers

While she may have stayed within her points, I would like to think I had a better day. I want more bang for my buck calorie wise. She makes me think that WW does not really educate it's members. Besides have you looked at the sodium in their packaged food. YIKES!!

if your friend is eating that every day, she should be ashamed of herself as a WW counselor. I'm doing WW and my daily meals are very similar to yours.

Yes, you can eat all the crap and stay within your points. That is an option, but they do not teach you to do that. I try to eat as healthy as possible and stay within points and do work in the occasional treat because that is allowed.

Yeah I find it funny that people say WW doesn't teach you how to eat right. If you go weekly, you get the weekly pamphlet, which is on a different topic each time - everything from how to make good choices when eating out, what foods are good for you, etc. If they don't learn anything about how to eat right from those pamphlets, then people must be throwing them straight into the garbage?

Yes, you can eat all the crap and stay within your points. That is an option, but they do not teach you to do that. I try to eat as healthy as possible and stay within points and do work in the occasional treat because that is allowed.

Yeah I find it funny that people say WW doesn't teach you how to eat right. If you go weekly, you get the weekly pamphlet, which is on a different topic each time - everything from how to make good choices when eating out, what foods are good for you, etc. If they don't learn anything about how to eat right from those pamphlets, then people must be throwing them straight into the garbage?

With the older point plan, you could get buy with more junk food as that was the same point value as the healthy stuff. With the new Points Plus - it isn't that easy. I'd still be downing 1-2 large bags of chips daily had I not gone to Weight Watchers - I've learned quite a lot, eat healthier and have more energy. I'm a Lifetimer but have gained some back (due to my own fault, not the program) but joined her to see the calorie intake.

The fact that all fruits and veggies are zero points, and learning that you can eat as much as you want of them and lose weight pretty much confused me.

Ugh!! Why do people keep saying this?? I've been on WW for almost a month, and even I know that a) Not all veggies and fruits are zero points - most are and b) A SERVING of them is zero points. No where does it say you can shovel as much as you want.

I don't know, I love this forum for advice and whatnot, but I like having to only count points versus counting cals, proteins, fat, carbs, sugars.....

Agree. I'm doing both ww and mfp. I joined MFP first last Feb but didn't lose any weight. Joined WW in May and have lost on average 1.5 pounds per week. I've stalled lately but thats my own fault. I haven't been doing the exercise like I used to. When the weather is nice I would walk 2 to 3x's a day. And yes I know that not all fruits and veggies are zero points and it does go by servings. Doesn't mean you can eat all you want. WW has a great feature where you check off a SERVING of fruits and or veggies,, water, your vitamin, healthy oils, exercise and your 3 servings of dairy. Thats SERVINGS people not as much as you want.

WW has taught me healthier eating habits and I always track on there ...don't always track on MFP.