Extreme Vanity Sizing at Target! TWO+ sizes too low!
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I wish womens clothing was like mens, a 32 waist is a 32 waist.
Lies!!!
I'm wearing three different pants sizes and two different shirt sizes. I also have a couple shirts in the larger of those two sizes that I can't even button.
Clothing sizing is bad all around.
So guys don't actually have it easier with clothes? I'm not sure if that's comforting or depressing. I sort of knew it, since I wear some of my son's outgrown jeans (from when he was a 6teenager), and they have stuff like "loose fit, straight leg" on them. I'd still rather have numbers more meaningful than 6 or 8 or whatever. And when it comes to XS to XL, it really gets hopeless.0 -
I've been wearing size 16 for several years. In the past 2 weeks I've bought 4 pairs of pants. Two are size 14 and the other two are size 12. It all depends on the brand, I think. Target doesn't size the jeans, the manufacturer/designer does.0
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Target is confusing b/c of the different in-store brands!
The Exhiliration, Mossimo and designer collaboration brands seem to be very tiny.
Merona, Converse One star seem to be a bit more reasonable.
But yeah, SIZE IS ALWAYS CONTEXTUAL.0 -
I hate vanity sizing SO MUCH because it created confusion. I wish womens clothing was like mens, a 32 waist is a 32 waist.
Not really. I own shorts and pants that are labelled 31, 32, 33, and 34, and all fit. Usually, the dress pants are closer to true waist inches, but since not all pants sit exactly at your waist, the "waist size" is often irrelevant.0 -
When buying clothes now I focus on the fit not the number on the tag, it is so inconsistent sometimes.
Inconsistent is the best way to put it. And yeah, I have gotten used to just picking up a 4-size (or so) range of one article of clothing and just seeing what fits in the dressing room.
Yup this is what I do too, even if I already have clothes from the same store. Like you said, even different styles from the same store (low rise vs mid rise) are all over the place size-wise. My closet ranges from XS to L tops and size 6 to size 12 pants! It's crazy.0 -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_standard_clothing_size clothing sizes from the 1940-50s
In my experience though, target is terrible about the thighs in their pants. I've got giant thighs/butt with a significantly smaller waist, and none of their stuff fits. I actually asked if they had anything made for a significant difference between those two areas, because I could fit both my fists in the waist gap, and the salesperson just stared at me like this was a foreign concept.0 -
Oh, lol...sorry- I just saw that everyone else had already commented on the rude poster, thought I was the first one & thought I quoted the rude poster in my post...I'll get the hang of this thing eventually. Ignore me.
To the original poster, yeah, I've not been able to shop at Target in a while-I would beat myself up over not being able to fit into the clothes that I used to fit into, so I abandoned.
Great weight loss, by the way! Keep it up!!0 -
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if you're 172 lbs, you might want to consider wearing your pants a little higher than barely above your *kitten* crack.
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Says someone without a actual profile pic, only two friends, and quite a bit of weight to lose herself.
*tisk, tisk*0 -
My personal experience with Target is quite the opposite. I have to wear a size 18 or XXL at Target and nearly everywhere else I wear a 16, XL or even L depending on the cut. When buying clothes now I focus on the fit not the number on the tag, it is so inconsistent sometimes.
Same here. I find most things from Target run really small. I bought a flowy shirt-dress from the women's department last week and it was about to rip off of me and I had to have my boyfriend pull me out. The tag said XXL but there is no way in hell. I have two other shirt dresses from there that are XLs and one dress from Juniors that is a L. Same with Jeans. I have 2 pairs of 18s from there that fall off of me and have tried on 3 pairs recently that I couldn't even button.0 -
low rise makes no sense at my size.
In my humble opinion, they make NO sense at any size
(trying to be funny NOT snarky - honest!! because they look like cr_p on me!!)0 -
I think Targets jr. sizes are less vanity sized than more expensive brands for jrs. I usually wear a 5 in Target's jrs. but usually a 3 in something like O'neil or Roxy. As for the women's sizes. Their smallest sizes (last I checked it was a 2) are too big and ill fitting for me, especially in the hips. But women's sizes in most places are still off for me because I don't have womanly hips / thighs / butt. I can wear an Express 0, so that's what I buy for work slacks.
And seriously, a zero? That's just dumb. I have a 43 inch hips, which is not tiny, and should not be a size 0. I know smaller women who have been sized out of adult clothing altogether by vanity sizing. They have to shop in the kids section for jeans! Absurd.0 -
Target is confusing b/c of the different in-store brands!
The Exhiliration, Mossimo and designer collaboration brands seem to be very tiny.
Merona, Converse One star seem to be a bit more reasonable.
But yeah, SIZE IS ALWAYS CONTEXTUAL.
That makes more sense, because I just remembered Target used to have clothes that fit small as hell compared to other stores. So I guess they've kept some brands that are like that, anyway.0 -
Says someone without a actual profile pic, only two friends, and quite a bit of weight to lose herself.
*tisk, tisk*
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I would love to believe I am wearing a size 8 right now, but let's get real. I'm 5'2" and 172 lbs. with much of my extra weight in my *kitten* and thighs.
I bought two pairs of size 8 jeans from Target (Merona brand) in two different fits. One is tight (low-rise) and the other fits perfectly (mid-waist).
But in a designer brand and a few other pairs of jeans I've got without all the elastic/give, I'm a size 12. That's a pretty big difference.
I'd really love to find out what size I TRULY am - even if it's like a 16! - but it just seems impossible! I know people throw numbers around a lot - such as, a size 4 is a 28" waist - but where does THAT number come from? And where is that waist? Natural waist at the narrowest point? That's like 2" above my belly button! Or where I wear my jeans (barely above the butt crack)? My chest/hips are wide in relation to my waist (in true hourglass fashion) and I don't think that's fair!
Does anyone know where to find a size chart that spans the better part of the last century so I can ACTUALLY know where I stand???
P.S.: Fair warning about Target's insidious obesity-furthering vanity sizing practices!
P.P.S.: If I can find plus sizes (no matter how keenly disguised) in JEANS, why can't Target seem to make a bathing suit top that's bigger than a small B??? XL ought to be at LEAST a D.
if you're 172 lbs, you might want to consider wearing your pants a little higher than barely above your *kitten* crack.
Says someone without a real profile pic, only two friends and quite a bit of weight to lose herself.
*tisk, tisk*0 -
I'd really love to find out what size I TRULY am - even if it's like a 16! - but it just seems impossible! I know people throw numbers around a lot - such as, a size 4 is a 28" waist - but where does THAT number come from? And where is that waist? Natural waist at the narrowest point? That's like 2" above my belly button! Or where I wear my jeans (barely above the butt crack)? My chest/hips are wide in relation to my waist (in true hourglass fashion) and I don't think that's fair!
Does anyone know where to find a size chart that spans the better part of the last century so I can ACTUALLY know where I stand???
Don't know if someone has already posted this, but this website is good.
http://sizes.darkgreener.com/
You enter your measurements and it gives you an idea of what size you will be in the different stores.0 -
I would love to believe I am wearing a size 8 right now, but let's get real. I'm 5'2" and 172 lbs. with much of my extra weight in my *kitten* and thighs.
I bought two pairs of size 8 jeans from Target (Merona brand) in two different fits. One is tight (low-rise) and the other fits perfectly (mid-waist).
But in a designer brand and a few other pairs of jeans I've got without all the elastic/give, I'm a size 12. That's a pretty big difference.
I'd really love to find out what size I TRULY am - even if it's like a 16! - but it just seems impossible! I know people throw numbers around a lot - such as, a size 4 is a 28" waist - but where does THAT number come from? And where is that waist? Natural waist at the narrowest point? That's like 2" above my belly button! Or where I wear my jeans (barely above the butt crack)? My chest/hips are wide in relation to my waist (in true hourglass fashion) and I don't think that's fair!
Does anyone know where to find a size chart that spans the better part of the last century so I can ACTUALLY know where I stand???
P.S.: Fair warning about Target's insidious obesity-furthering vanity sizing practices!
P.P.S.: If I can find plus sizes (no matter how keenly disguised) in JEANS, why can't Target seem to make a bathing suit top that's bigger than a small B??? XL ought to be at LEAST a D.
if you're 172 lbs, you might want to consider wearing your pants a little higher than barely above your *kitten* crack.
She is asking for help with sizing, not fashion advice.0 -
Lies!!! I'm wearing three different pants sizes and two different shirt sizes. I also have a couple shirts in the larger of those two sizes that I can't even button. Clothing sizing is bad all around.
I think we have it slighlty easier because we tend to have boxier builds and no boobs, but there's some sort persistent illusion that men can just order stuff off the rack by one or two objective measurements and not try it out.
Sure, we can do this... if we want to look like a complete idiot.
My waist is 32 inches and my chest is 40 with wide shoulders. Most shirts that fit my shoulders are built for a 38"-42" waist, but no shirts have a waist measurement on the box. This produces a disturbing puddle of fabric around my gut which makes me look fatter.
Even "slim fit" shirts don't always work. I have a DKNY "slim fit" that probably has a 36" in waist. $50 wasted.
Through lots of tireless experimentation, I found two... TWO shirt brands that actually have close to a 32" waist.0 -
the number on the tag means nothing!!!
Agreed! All I care is that my pants don't fall off.0 -
if you're 172 lbs, you might want to consider wearing your pants a little higher than barely above your *kitten* crack.
I encourage everyone who sees bullying like this to report the post. Maybe, just maybe, if we report these attacks, they will lessen.
To the original poster, you are SO right. There is no universal sizing. I'm a 10 in some, a 16 in others. I know we shouldn't let those numbers dictate our sense of worth, but we all have that magic number we want to get to and when we see our butt in a 10 and then turn around and slip on a 16... oh it's death. LOL0 -
The smaller I get the more I find this to be true! When I was big, I wore a 22 in everything and a 2X tops.
Now I have jackets and tops ranging from XL to medium! Pants aren't so bad if I stick with a "curvy" fit. Generally I'm 10 in jeans and a 12 in dress pants (all curvy fit). I have tried on 14's in skinny and couldn't even get them up though. My silver brand jeans are 31W X 34L, which is a little weird since my waist actually measures 32.5". I have to try everything on now and hubby gave up trying to buy me clothes as gifts! LOL0 -
You won't find a standard size chart because they tend to vary with every brand. I've even ordered clothes based on that company's size chart, only to have them be too big or too small. It's frustrating.
Since you have a curvy build - small waist with wider hips/butt - try Lucky brand jeans. I don't know where they're sold, as I can't wear their sizes yet, but I have a few friends with the same build who swear by them. They're fuller in the seat and narrower in the waist to help prevent gapping. Lee jeans are also pretty good for that (try the relaxed fit).
I feel your pain. I need a belt even with curvy jeans. I wear Lane Bryant's Right Fit (blue circle fit/very curvy) right now, which have the waist quite a bit smaller than the hips. They don't go below a 14, though.0 -
I would love to believe I am wearing a size 8 right now, but let's get real. I'm 5'2" and 172 lbs. with much of my extra weight in my *kitten* and thighs.
I bought two pairs of size 8 jeans from Target (Merona brand) in two different fits. One is tight (low-rise) and the other fits perfectly (mid-waist).
I find I'm a 12 in straight cotton denim, a 10 in anything with a little give, but in the Target fits (they have a 4 that is bigger *kitten* and smaller waist, and a 3 that is intentionally tight in the thighs and "seat"), I'm an 8 in 2 and 4 fits (although I hate how the 2 looks) and a 10 in the fit 1 (which looks worse on me). In the fit 3, the only one I can get on is a 12, and it doesn't look right at all.
Lane Bryant has similar sizing ideas (red, blue, yellow) and I think it makes the pants fit better.0 -
I agree with the previous poster about using sewing pattern sizes. They are not flattering, but they are standard across pattern companies and they are consistent. I'm a seamstress so I always have several measuring tapes around. Those sizes are a good reference whether or not you sew. Too bad it doesn't help when actually buying clothes. If only.
How to measure: http://butterick.mccall.com/pages/how_to_choose_your_correct_size/458.php
Women's size chart: http://butterick.mccall.com/misses--misses--petites-pages-459.php0 -
I'd really love to find out what size I TRULY am - even if it's like a 16! - but it just seems impossible! I know people throw numbers around a lot - such as, a size 4 is a 28" waist - but where does THAT number come from? And where is that waist? Natural waist at the narrowest point? That's like 2" above my belly button! Or where I wear my jeans (barely above the butt crack)? My chest/hips are wide in relation to my waist (in true hourglass fashion) and I don't think that's fair!
Sizes have changed over the years. What was once a size 12 is not a 12 and it's been this way since our grandmothers were getting dolled up to go out. I sometimes wonder if there's a back alley where they roll polyhedral dice to see how they're going to size things... It's beyond ridiculous.
Here's an article that might help you feel better about the whole whackadoo size thing and reinforce the fact that it's not just "our generation" that has to deal with this.
http://tess45.hubpages.com/hub/Vintage-Sizing-vs-Modern-SizingP.P.S.: If I can find plus sizes (no matter how keenly disguised) in JEANS, why can't Target seem to make a bathing suit top that's bigger than a small B??? XL ought to be at LEAST a D.
SO glad I'm not the only one who feels this way. At least they've started to sell separates. I need one size for the top half and a much larger size for my Hips O'Plenty. And what's with all of the halter tops?
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I would love to believe I am wearing a size 8 right now, but let's get real. I'm 5'2" and 172 lbs. with much of my extra weight in my *kitten* and thighs.
I bought two pairs of size 8 jeans from Target (Merona brand) in two different fits. One is tight (low-rise) and the other fits perfectly (mid-waist).
But in a designer brand and a few other pairs of jeans I've got without all the elastic/give, I'm a size 12. That's a pretty big difference.
I'd really love to find out what size I TRULY am - even if it's like a 16! - but it just seems impossible! I know people throw numbers around a lot - such as, a size 4 is a 28" waist - but where does THAT number come from? And where is that waist? Natural waist at the narrowest point? That's like 2" above my belly button! Or where I wear my jeans (barely above the butt crack)? My chest/hips are wide in relation to my waist (in true hourglass fashion) and I don't think that's fair!
Does anyone know where to find a size chart that spans the better part of the last century so I can ACTUALLY know where I stand???
P.S.: Fair warning about Target's insidious obesity-furthering vanity sizing practices!
P.P.S.: If I can find plus sizes (no matter how keenly disguised) in JEANS, why can't Target seem to make a bathing suit top that's bigger than a small B??? XL ought to be at LEAST a D.
not sure how you propose to unify sizing through different brands, styles, countries. etc
I get your point. I can wear anything from a 6 to a 14, but vanity sizing aside (and yes, US sizes have gotten progressively larger in the last two decades) you could never please everyone.
I am super hourglass shaped and could never wear low rise jeans in any size. If they fit my somewhat ample bum, they'd falloff when I sat down. I also have very little luck with Juniors sizes for that same reason. And I cannot buy a DRESS that isn't stretchy anywhere in North America that actually fits my boobs (as Im a slightly top heavy extreme hourglass).
No clothes are made for me (short of some Bravissimo Pepperberry styles and even those usually fail), but if clothing was made for MY body type, 92% of women would be unhappy as according to wiki true hourglass women only make up 8% of the population. You cannot please everyone, and all that manufacturers care about is pleasing as many people as they can so they sell more clothes. In America, this leads to much stretchy clothing and even more Vanity sizing.
The only real solution is to learn what best suits your body type and stick to it. Most brands will have some consistency, i.e if you buy Levis midrise stretchy jeans, other levis midrise stretchy jeans should fit somewhat similarly, however don't expect to be able to buy a non stretchy pair, a low rise pair, or a skinny jean in the same size, it won't happen.
as for the bathing suit tops, solution is buy BRA sized tops.
I would never wear anything else. I can JUMP into a pool and I don't have to stay under the water adjusting my boobs before surfacing.
try it. You will like it!0 -
Says someone without a real profile pic, only two friends and quite a bit of weight to lose herself.
*tisk, tisk*
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if you're 172 lbs, you might want to consider wearing your pants a little higher than barely above your *kitten* crack.
Oh, look, everyone! Snark on the internet! How novel!
You don't know anything about my body shape. I'm not wearing ultra low-rise jeans while muffin-topping over them. It's the way my body is proportioned. If I want something to even remotely fit in the *kitten*, it ends up being ENORMOUS in the waist to the point of actually having to fold the fabric at the waist under the belt like a pleat.
I don't spill over my pants or have crack hanging out.
You need to cheer up or something and quit being a jerk - which is easy to do in the comfort of your online anonymity - I get it.
Did you know that everyone's body is...gasp...DIFFERENT?!
Being that I was the same size and I'm only an inch shorter than you, that's actually a good point about jean style. Although I guess the fact that they pointed out your weight is what upset you. Regardless of size, cut matters. I'm an hourglass, I also hold a lot of weight in my butt/hips/thighs (also without muffin top). Wearing low rise pants usually doesn't work well for our shape. I wear my jeans higher. They aren't up to my natural waist but they also aren't low rise. Just consider trying different cuts. Also, I don't buy jeans at Target. I've never had good luck with how they fit (no matter the cut/style). Try going to different stores, Macy's has great jean sales all the time as does Old Navy.
Also, as far as target goes. Maybe you really are an 8. Wear else have you tried on jeans? I say this because Target was one of the stores where at my biggest (I was 192 this time last year), I wore around a size 12 (maybe bigger because those got too tight) and I was trying on 16s in Target. In the same type of jeans you're describing you wear. Your measurements might be smaller than you think.0 -
if you're 172 lbs, you might want to consider wearing your pants a little higher than barely above your *kitten* crack.
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I agree with the previous poster about using sewing pattern sizes. They are not flattering, but they are standard across pattern companies and they are consistent. I'm a seamstress so I always have several measuring tapes around. Those sizes are a good reference whether or not you sew. Too bad it doesn't help when actually buying clothes. If only.
How to measure: http://butterick.mccall.com/pages/how_to_choose_your_correct_size/458.php
Women's size chart: http://butterick.mccall.com/misses--misses--petites-pages-459.php
sewing patterns are fine EXCEPT all patterns are made for a B cup.
this is absolutely terrible for those of us who are well endowed as it is very hard/near impossible to alter a pattern with any degree of success to fit larger busts.0 -
...I know people throw numbers around a lot - such as, a size 4 is a 28" waist - but where does THAT number come from?
Dang! If a 28" waist is a size 4, then how come I'm a size 8? I'm 130 pds and 5'7" and I have a 28" waist. Maybe it goes by hip size. I'm 37" in the hip. Who knows...
My hips are the same size as yours and my waist is 3 inches bigger and I am a 4! Maybe it is how the jeans are cut.0
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