why do 95%of people put weight back on, ugh

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  • Shadowknight137
    Shadowknight137 Posts: 1,243 Member
    Because they go n stupid, very calorically restricted diets, lose weight in the form of both fat and muscle mass, thus once they started eating normally their TDEE has been drastically lowered - due to lack of LBM, so they regain all their weight and more.

    Basically, people end up getting fatter and less-muscled than when they started. It's kind of hilarious when you think about it.
  • nehushtan
    nehushtan Posts: 566 Member
    why do 95% of people put weight back on, ugh

    This is the most significant question that can be asked on this web site. I don't have "the answer" but I have some thoughts.

    Losing weight is hard, and few will do it with significant success. Keeping it off is harder and fewer still will achieve that.

    But though many have failed, many have also succeeded. Our job is to learn from them. More on that later.

    Though I've had some success using calorie budgeting, I don't consider myself a true success story yet because I haven't reached five years of maintenance (only a year and a half so far). I've lost weight a number of times in the past only to regain it and so I don't trust what I've achieved by this point.

    Maybe repeated failure is the only way to learn... for me it was. Hopefully the statistic you quote is an alarm bell for everyone in the fat countries. Maybe we can learn from the failures of others and not just our own.

    I think a lot of people re-gain their weight after successful loss because they do not know the strength of their enemy. If you've been significantly overweight, obesity stalks you like booze stalks an alcoholic, and everywhere Everywhere EVERYWHERE food is crouching to pounce into your mouth.

    One of the things that haunts me is the fact that maintaining a healthy weight is not really central to the meaning of life, and so its significance can be, over time, something to dismiss. By this I mean once you've been obese and then through tremendous daily or even hourly meticulous effort have lost a significant amount of weight, fought off the tsunami of food, learned to incorporate exercise, gotten the attaboys and celebrated your success for a while, you may keep at it for another few months or so and then realize that...

    HEY! This business is requiring a GREAT DEAL of attention and effort and WHAT IS THE POINT? You may start asking questions like.. Can't I focus on OTHER THINGS now? Aren't there more significant issues in life? Am I continuing to do this because I've developed an UNHEALTHY OBSESSION with heath and fitness? Am I being too VAIN and SELF-CENTERED? And what about the other people around me? ... they don't seem to be having too many problems in life... sure they're a bit paunchy but they're having a grand old time at barbeque cookouts, beer pong, pizza buffets, etc. Plus my friends and family are all dogging me for not joining in the party full-tilt. Aren't I allowed to have ANY FUN with eating? Is this going to be a nagging responsibility the REST OF MY %#$&@ LIFE?

    Honestly I can't recall if these are the thoughts that caused me to backslide in the past. Most of the problem I'm sure is just the nature of what we unconsciously accept as "normal" ... if eating a lot and being inactive has been the norm most of your life it will take a permanent revolution, not just a year of weight loss effort, to avoid slipping back to the old ways.

    New norms are hard. Some people say it takes 30 days to break and old, or establish a new, habit. But significant weight loss for someone who's norm is obesity is more than that -- it is truly at least a dozen new habits and the crucifixion of at least a dozen bad ones. My judgement is that food-related habits are harder to break and establish than other kinds (for example, nail-biting), because food is more deeply ingrained our biology, emotions, cultures, families, etc. And in addition to new things to do and old things not to do, there is a lot to learn -- which is also outside of many folks' comfort zones.

    And then -- after the weight loss -- comes the maintenance, which in my opinion requires continuing to learn new stuff and the creation of even more new habits.

    Basically it's a war. It's a war to lose it and it's an on-going war to keep it off. Hopefully that's not too depressing.

    On the bright side, there IS something called the National Weight Control Registry (NWCR), which is an on-going database of people who have lost weight and kept it off, and some studies have been done to determine what makes them successful.

    See these site for articles about findings from the NWCR:

    http://www.fitnessforweightloss.com/terms/national-weight-control-registry-nwcr/

    All the best!
  • phoenixgirl81
    phoenixgirl81 Posts: 309 Member
    nehushtan, I think you've really explained it well. Thank you.
  • nehushtan
    nehushtan Posts: 566 Member
    95% is not an accurate number and spreading this false statistic is dangerous for people. Small seeds planted grow trees of doubt or something.

    You're right....

    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/25/health/95-regain-lost-weight-or-do-they.html

    The actual statistic is hard to come by because it's hard to determine the boundaries of what the question means and to get good data to answer it. So there will be different studies & results out there based on how the question is framed (e.g., how much weight is considered weight loss, how much time after the weight loss do we check back on the participants, etc) and how much data can be reliably captured (do we rely on self-reporting, have people check in to be weighed, do a control-group vs. test group, etc).

    ... but it almost doesn't matter. However you slice it, there is still a large chunk of those who've lost it who will regain it.

    So it's bad news anyway.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,028 Member
    95% is not an accurate number and spreading this false statistic is dangerous for people. Small seeds planted grow trees of doubt or something.

    Anyways, HUGE LIE. Don't believe it or perpetuate it, it only hurts yourself and others.
    It's actually closer to 90%. But that's still way over the majority.

    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/Dieting-Does-Not-Work-UCLA-Researchers-7832.aspx


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  • quill16
    quill16 Posts: 373 Member
    They haven't learned to live a new lifestyle. I have maintained my loss for more than 6 months and I STILL count my calories, exercise everyday, and live a new healthy lifestyle.I have all new clothes size 28 down to 8 and am NEVER" going back". It is just as hard today as it was the day I "started my diet". I want to be fit more than I want to satisfy my food addiction. A choice. There is a group called The National Weight Control Registry and they have been tracking successful weight loss cases and have information as to what those who have been successful are doing.
  • MaraDiaz
    MaraDiaz Posts: 4,604 Member
    As a species we evolved to survive in spite of extreme scarcity. Now we have an abundance of foods, even if those of us who are poorer don't have an abundance of healthy choices all the time.

    Therefore it takes effort to maintain weight loss for many people because we are fighting biology. Just like it takes effort not to pick up the nearest stick and club rude people over the head with it.

    But it's worth it. It's worth the effort to be thin and also not be in jail for assault. :laugh:
  • MyChocolateDiet
    MyChocolateDiet Posts: 22,281 Member
    Is that the real statistic? 95%? It seems kind of high. I know putting weight back on is a risk but I don't know if it's the norm. By the time you lose lots of weight I don't think you have to eat exactly diet style. I think you can eat healthier than you were but following your urges and be okay. If you had healthy habits to begin with and only gained weight as the result of some real reason then you should be able to keep it off. If you had terrible eating habits, you might not be able to go back to that kind of eating, but you should be able to relax a little from diet mode and just feel comfortable and okay with your eating style and weight maintenance. I'd just hate for you to be discouraged thinking weight loss mode is something you will have to do forever because it's not always the case. Why don't you have high hopes lose all the weight and then see if it's easier for you to maintain than you predict.
  • marand94608
    marand94608 Posts: 67 Member
    nehushtan, I think you've really explained it well. Thank you.
    Agree! & I liked your reply too phoenixgirl. TY both.
  • kcoftx
    kcoftx Posts: 765 Member
    For me, I found it fairly easy to maintain when my life was relatively the same as during the weight loss period. I leaned an important lesson. When life changes, I need to monitor. Since we are a military family, this means transition will come again. Changes doesn't just apply to moving though.
  • irishblonde2011
    irishblonde2011 Posts: 618 Member
    I think it has a lot to do with your mind. We change our bodies but we really have to
    change our mind set as well. I sometimes think that can be the hardest.
  • Vailara
    Vailara Posts: 2,473 Member
    Because the body wants very badly to return to the higher weight and does everything it can to get there. Increased hunger signals, hormonal changes, lowered resting metabolism, you name it. Leptin, ghrelin, peptide YY all increase to levels that are actually higher than they were before you lost the weight (so appetite is even greater and metabolism is even slower than when you were fat). Until science comes up with some kind of pill to counteract these things, maintaining weight loss will be a daily struggle and very few people can keep up the fight forever.

    I just wish the body tended toward a healthier weight and did things like increase metabolism and decrease appetite if the weight strayed too high. Why does it want to kill itself with obesity? It makes no sense, really.

    It's strange, isn't it? I maintained my low, healthy weight for many years by just eating what I liked. My weight stayed with in a few pounds. Then for some reason, the system seemed to reset itself at almost double my original weight. And yet I maintained that higher weight within a few pounds without having to think about it. It would be interesting to know what exactly causes this "reset" and change in hormone levels, and how long it persists after losing weight. I have read that people tend to be successful if they can maintain for five years, so maybe that's the point when the body starts to accept the lower weight?
  • trudijoy
    trudijoy Posts: 1,685 Member
    i regained because of depression, stress, and injury. i know i can lose it again because the depression and injury have healed and the stress in under control.
  • stacw1987
    stacw1987 Posts: 206 Member
    Fad diets I think. Lifestyle change is key. Maybe also lack of support for some people contributed to it!
  • douglasmobbs
    douglasmobbs Posts: 563 Member
    near 100% of the people who have been overweight got themselves into that situation through eating more calories than they burn. Nearly everybody eats/drinks to excess some times in their life. Those who do not get overweight either keep close tabs on their weight and make conscious decisions to regulate their intake to compensate for indulgent times, others do this more subconsciously.

    Those who have been overweight typically have not made such choices, whilst they lose weight they are making healthy decisions and tight control on their intake and exercise. A lot of people do not want to have thoughts about such control near the forefront of their day to day life, as such they put weight back on.
  • Apparently all the people who maintained their goal weight did so by never slipping back into bad habits. They remained strict, focussed, and accepted that their eating habits and attitudes remained forever changed. The regimes they adopted to lose weight became their 'normal eating patterns' to be maintained for life.
  • actually i watched a documentary on hbo by the leading expert researchers in weight loss/ weight gain and obesity. They said once you are overweight your body is like broken and can never burn calories as efficiently as it did. they further went on to say that their research indicates that if you were ever overweight you should eat 400 calories less than what your BMR says should be your daily calorie intake (for ex. BMR of 2000 calories, then you should only eat 1600 calories). basically you have to eat 400 calories less than a normal person because your metabolism actually gets permenantly slower because you were overweight. they said people regain the weight because their body still has a hunger drive that makes them want to eat the full 2000 calories. so they said you need to be conscientous and make sure not to eat those extra 400 calories or you will gradually regain the weight. i'm basing my maintenance plan on this. will either exercise it off of not eat it. i never want to regain the weight i've lost. so i hope this helps prevent it. it's amazing that after all our hard work that it can be regained so easily. the media should talk about this more. the researchers where impressive you should watch it if you can.
  • nickyfm
    nickyfm Posts: 1,214 Member
    I got lazy with exercise and started emotionally binge eating again.

    Gotta get your head straight if you wanna keep it off for good!!
  • Silvara_11
    Silvara_11 Posts: 133 Member
    For me in 2012 I did a fad diet lost 7lbs in one month but then made serious lifestyle changes and in 6 months I'd lost a total of 10 lbs.

    Then I gained all of it back because I went to visit my folks which always means weight gain and my grandma passed away which just meant comfort food. Couldn't get back on track after the holiday as I had a sever iron deficiency.

    Jan 2013 started at the same weight as Jan 2012 very depressing but now back to my exercise routine which I love and eat in moderation but never starve myself and I'm slimer now than I was in June of last year. I got here quicker but I still have a ways to go, my BMI is still overweight and I don't have muscle mass to show for it.

    You can do it!!
  • BonaFideUK
    BonaFideUK Posts: 313 Member
    People who go on a "diet" instead of actually changing their lifestyle will inevitably put the weight back on when they stop dieting. Keeping the weight off should fundamentally be a life long endeavour.
  • LiftAllThePizzas
    LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
    I dont want to be one of them. I have gained 10 back, working hard to get it off. Are they undisciplined or life stresses getting to them. What do you think, kind of depressing but I dont think it has to be this way if we are vigilant.
    "Oh good I've lost all the weight. Now I can go back to eating 6000 calories a day."
  • It is because people do not make lifestyle changes, they just go on diets. Losing weight, keeping it off, and staying health is a long term lifestyle; I suggest making small changes until you get to where you want to be.
  • jenilla1
    jenilla1 Posts: 11,118 Member
    I think a lot of it has to do with the "diet" mentality. They think they need to be on overly restrictive diets that are temporary and/or unsustainable and they like to rush their weight loss because they are impatient. I honestly think it's the dumbest mindset, and such a waste of time and effort. People who yo-yo frustrate me because doing it the right way is so straight-forward and simple. :grumble:

    The only requirements are patience and self-control. Honestly, the only way to make it last is to make it a way of life. Whatever you do to lose the weight needs to be something you are willing to do for the rest of your life. :flowerforyou:
  • LiftAllThePizzas
    LiftAllThePizzas Posts: 17,857 Member
    actually i watched a documentary on hbo by the leading expert researchers in weight loss/ weight gain and obesity. They said once you are overweight your body is like broken and can never burn calories as efficiently as it did. they further went on to say that their research indicates that if you were ever overweight you should eat 400 calories less than what your BMR says should be your daily calorie intake (for ex. BMR of 2000 calories, then you should only eat 1600 calories). basically you have to eat 400 calories less than a normal person because your metabolism actually gets permenantly slower because you were overweight. they said people regain the weight because their body still has a hunger drive that makes them want to eat the full 2000 calories. so they said you need to be conscientous and make sure not to eat those extra 400 calories or you will gradually regain the weight. i'm basing my maintenance plan on this. will either exercise it off of not eat it. i never want to regain the weight i've lost. so i hope this helps prevent it. it's amazing that after all our hard work that it can be regained so easily. the media should talk about this more. the researchers where impressive you should watch it if you can.
    Did this account for people losing by eating less and doing only cardio (if any exercise) and losing tons of LBM and getting skinny fat? Because it would make sense in that context... two people at the same weight would have different caloric requirements if their LBM/body fat ratios were significantly different.
  • dad106
    dad106 Posts: 4,868 Member
    I think it's because a lot of people lose lean muscle mass as they lose weight, and then it kills their metabolism. Then as they try to eat healthy calorie levels, it's too much and it comes back on as weight.

    Frankly, I am very happy that I am not a statistic.. and that I have been able to keep my weight off long term.
  • Thanks for posting this, it was an interesting read :) xx
  • Spokez70
    Spokez70 Posts: 548 Member
    People want fast results so they go on unsustainable plans to drop weight quickly- when the fad diet or crazy exercise plan derails itself they are content with whatever results they got and just go back to their old ways until they gain weight and repeat the process. Unfortunately I followed that pattern for ten years of my life before I kind of figured it out.
  • goron59
    goron59 Posts: 890 Member
    People who obsess over weight, and drop to a target then stop and go back to what they were doing before.... those are the sort of people that put it back on.

    Often the sort of people that "tried every diet there is," and for whom "nothing every works."

    Basically, if you want to be fitter, healthier and usually as a consequence, be lighter, then you have to change things for life.
  • ktsmom430
    ktsmom430 Posts: 1,100 Member
    It is a concern that I have in the back of my mind as I am working to lose the last 20 pounds or so, but I am hoping to persevere in maintaining a healthier life for as long as I live.

    Part of it may be just reaching you goal, and going back to the old habits.

    For me, this is a new lifestyle, one that I will have to follow for the remainder of my life. It is not easy, but something that I know I will have to follow.
  • strikerjb007
    strikerjb007 Posts: 443 Member
    reasons people put weight back on -

    1. they follow fad diets
    2. they believed the "cleanse or detox" would actually work and keep it off.
    3. no long term changes were made
    4. no tracking of progress was done, so was unsure if it was actually working
    5. addiction and will power issues.


    Those are the main ones I think...


    Jay

    I think Jay is right. People believe in diets rather than long term changes. Sustainable long term changes will keep the weight off. I also think the ridiculous "goal/ideal weight" mentality is another huge problem! I have said before bf% and how you look in the mirror matters. Weight is irrelevant.