Are we teaching our kids to be too sensitive?

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  • kennethmgreen
    kennethmgreen Posts: 1,759 Member
    Not a problem unless it happens repeatedly. Not every kid gets to go to every party. I have had this discussion many times with my daughters, who have been on both sides - inviting a selected group and not getting invited to something. It sucks. It hurts. But I think the better lesson is teaching our kids about acceptance, hurt feelings, etc.

    If one of my kids was not invited to parties repeatedly, I would investigate why that's an issue. I wouldn't go on a crusade condemning other parents, but probably talk to teachers and parents and see if it's something my kid is doing. Then look for ways to compromise (possibly attending the parties myself to help out). Sometimes it's just a matter of Chuck E. Cheese economics.

    Self-awareness, accountability, personal responsibility, sensitivity to others - even little kids can grasp these concepts with some patience and creativity from the caregivers. In cases of special needs kids, it's still possible, though additional patience and creativity may sometimes be needed.

    I think it's fine to encourage kids not to talk about a party at school unless everyone is invited. It's the same thing you'd probably do at an office, right? But expecting them not to talk about it all might be tough. OP stated kid was "chastised by his teacher for talking about his birthday party." I wasn't there (and I assume the OP wasn't either), but was this a case of a teacher simply telling a kid not to talk about a party in front of everyone? That's not chastising.

    I am a firm believer that the "everybody wins"/"everyone is always included" approach is the easy way out for adults. There are ways to deal with losing/not getting invited that don't have to leave emotional scars. Both sides can learn from the experience (the inviters and those not invited). And the kids end up being better prepared for life.

    Edited to add: "the easy way out" does not always mean the wrong way - only easier.
  • People are tooootally too touchy with their kids now! When I was a kid, invitations sometimes went around and it hurt when one didn't come my way, but my mom took the time to teach me that they have their friends, I have mine and that everyone can't be invited along to everything. We were broke, so I understood that other mommies couldn't afford to invite me AND all those other kids.

    What really grinds my gears though, is when some parent tells ME I can't do something infront of their child because the kid isn't allowed to. I'm sorry...I thought I was an adult and able to make my own decisions while the kid is...a kid...and is to be told "no". I find it's rare you hear children being told that word anymore and when someone in the world does for the first time, they are Sooooooo upset!!

    In short, I think learning about loss and disappointment and differences at a young age is extREMely important. Parents are supposed to be the people preparing the child to become their own individual, an adult and a good person. How are they going to become this if they're accustomed to being hidden from anything that might "hurt their feelings" until they get into the real world?

    RANT COMPLETE! :D
  • Beastette
    Beastette Posts: 1,497 Member
    OP, would you send out a few Valentines to a kindergarten class? Or would everyone get one?

    For some children, kindergarten is their very first school experience. 5 year-olds are very concrete thinkers, developmentally. They can understand something earned, like a grade or an award. Birthday invitations aren't earned through effort, but only a measure of social acceptability. That is a pretty complex concept, one that no teacher has time to explain.

    I think the lesson that should be learned at this age is discretion. Late 20's is far too old not to know better.

    My kids have been taught that not everyone can be their friend, but they also have been taught how to let 'em down with a modicum of respect.
  • I will hate to see what happens when our kids enter the real world where you have winners and loosers in sports and business, when you dont get invites t oevery thing your friends do

    FFS my daughter didnt get an invite to here friends party, why kids will b kids, yea she was upset, we explained that it doesnt mean alot and that this time next weed it wont matter, and you know what?

    they were best friends by the following wednesday again.

    I'm so over the way we cant do this or cant do that becasue we might hurt some ones feelings

    take a table spoon of concreat and harden the hell up
  • Beastette
    Beastette Posts: 1,497 Member
    I will hate to see what happens when our kids enter the real world where you have winners and loosers in sports and business, when you dont get invites t oevery thing your friends do

    FFS my daughter didnt get an invite to here friends party, why kids will b kids, yea she was upset, we explained that it doesnt mean alot and that this time next weed it wont matter, and you know what?

    they were best friends by the following wednesday again.

    I'm so over the way we cant do this or cant do that becasue we might hurt some ones feelings

    take a table spoon of concreat and harden the hell up

    That should be every kindergarten teacher's credo. :-)

    I actually agree with much of this. I am only saying that there is a difference between teaching oversensitiveness and teaching manners. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. My kids have 2-3 parties a weekend all February long...from this year's and last year's classmates. I am tired of inflatables and pizza.
  • I love it when someone barges in and starts going "have you ever been the parent of that kid who wasn't invited?", you're exactly what we're talking about, the people who teach their kid that they're special above everyone else, not just special to you, but so special that they shouldn't be excluded or not-included from anything the other kids are/aren't.

    I'll tell you now, I was the least popular kid my entire school life, I went from grade 1 through year 10 before I gave up and left the education institute, later to return as adult, but irrelevant. Some kids are just stuck in that situation, for example I was segregated in a difficult way, my father was an ex-con with tattoos all over his body, single father and every other teacher and single mother saw that and made immediate judgments upon his character. Not only this but those judgments made their way through them, to the kids and then me. How this effected me? well, imagine if someone starts a fight with me in the playground? I became the instigator. If something was stolen from a bad in the classroom? first suspect. Someone broke a toy or such and didn't immediately own up? you know who's getting interrogated first, because the absolute most obvious answer is the kid with an ex-con father, I mean it couldn't be the kid with a 2nd-coming-of-Jesus complex his mother gave him, could it? or the kid who's single mother on welfare somehow buys him the latest cloths and etc.. every week, worth hundreds of dollars?

    Nope, definitely the kid who sits in the corner and says nothing, draws no attention to himself and never EVER fires back because he knows he'll never win, etc..
    Trust me, if someone's rejected, they get used to it, they analyse what it means, how it came about and adapt accordingly, even if they're 6 years old, THEY WILL GET IT. Unless of course they're taught not to, all the time, and instead have mum/dad go and kick up a fuss every time their kid feels upset because reality smacked him in the face.

    It's creating a whole new generation of mental disorders, just as kids being stopped from playing in sand pits now and stopped from touching animals is compromising immune systems since they're too clean and never develop fundamental immune system anti-bodies. They aren't going through the usual loop of rejections and social problems and end up wanting to end themselves at age 15 when hormones make the feelings THAT much worse.
  • EmiBun
    EmiBun Posts: 84 Member
    Because I'm 18 I am only new to the thoughts that accompany adulthood. But regarding my earlier childhood rules makes me think that I will not raise my kids so they are that sensitive

    If my child had a good reason for not wanting certain kids at his her party then they will not have to invite them. When u reach high school, even middle school! Rules like that are thrown out the window and stomped on.

    When I was a kid it was a rule in my house that if I was invited to a party by someone and I said no it meant I had to go alone or not at all because it would have been rude to say yes to someone else.

    Now that I'm in high school a sketchy kid in my class asked me to prom. I politely told him no.
    I now feel that I have to go stag because its rude to accept someone else's offer. ..
    Not that anyone else would ask me anyway :(
  • avababy05
    avababy05 Posts: 930 Member
    you ever been the parent of the ONE kid in the class not invited? I have, it is pretty horrible let me tell you and i am not one for making my kids soft, but he has ADHD and PSD and Mothers are quite often judgmental biatches and he is now 20 years old, with a good job and I am proud of him, but being the ONE kid that doesn't get invited? really? you would be OK with that if it was you? its OK if there are several others not going, you can explain that really easy, but the one?

    This is upsetting to me.I would never allow my child to do this but on the other hand I'm not inviting 25 kids to a pay per child birthday party.

    I'm planning a birthday party for my daughter now,she's turning 8.I am allowing her to pick three kids from school and one girl who is her friend who moved away,the rest are relatives.

    And I will be emailing those in her class who are invited to avoid hurt feelings.

    As far as not talking about it,That's a lot to ask of children.
  • rockerbabyy
    rockerbabyy Posts: 2,258 Member
    my girls' school has a rule that if the whole class isnt being invited, then invitations need to be given outside of school. no big issue for me - in fact i gave three out today to parents of kids my youngest wants at her bday party. 6 out of 26 kids are being invited because its a pay-per-kid deal at a movie theater. my oldest gets invited to parties that the youngest doesnt get to go to, and vice versa - and usually they get a bit upset about it at first. we have the discussion that not everyone gets invited to everything, and thats ok. sometimes we do something fun with the one that has to stay home, and sometimes we dont.
  • 37434958
    37434958 Posts: 457 Member
    Ugh I feel bad for you! My mom used to deal with this ALL time, and if it got to a point where an angry parent would come to " tell you " why didnt my son/daughter get invited, then its theirs problem....
  • Ramberta
    Ramberta Posts: 1,312 Member
    Yes, schools are too sensitive. Not too far from my house, some elementary school kid got suspended for pointing their finger like a gun and saying "bang bang."

    I've had something similar happen at my daughter's school but it played out a little differently:

    It was a pottery painting party and so we didn't want too many kids. My daughter had the invitations and wanted to give them out to her friends personally. The teacher confiscated the invitations because they were becoming too much of a distraction and asked her not to talk about the invitations. I came to school to confront the teacher and she explained to me that she wanted to spare the uninvited kid's feelings and quietly tuck invitations into the invited kid's take home folders but ran out of time that day.

    More or less, it sounds like your niece's son had the same experience.

    Edit: My daughter was only inviting about 6 people from her class and a few other kids from other class rooms.

    Why couldn't you (and OP for that matter) just have gotten the invited kids' addresses and actually mailed out the invitations? That seems most logical to me... and if they're too little to know it and write it down for your child, then there's usually some kind of student directory that should be able to help you out that gets handed out each year. Perhaps snail mail really is out of style these days...
  • lyrical_melody
    lyrical_melody Posts: 242 Member
    why doesnt the mom mail the invites ?
  • HaleyxErin
    HaleyxErin Posts: 94 Member
    My question is if she works at the school couldn't she just get in touch with the parents? I know this isn't really the point but it seems that going straight to the parents would have been a better idea to begin with.
  • nerdyglasses15
    nerdyglasses15 Posts: 29 Member
    I don't know about other nationalities, but americans definitely are. In Brazil, you're taught since you're little that certain people are not going to like you, and if they don't, they wont want you near them, and you learn to deal with it. You move on. I'm bipolar, and my reactions can be PRETTY extreme and I can get upset easily, but even so, I've never gotten upset over a birthday party or things like that. I just think, hey, they don't like me for something, let me go talk to them to find out what, or hey, they don't like me, and I'm not their biggest friend, so forget about it.
  • liesevanlingen
    liesevanlingen Posts: 508 Member
    My kids school also has the rule that you can't hand out invitations in school, even if you are inviting the whole class. Snail mail or email works just fine. We have our kids bring a treat to share with the other kids in the classroom (cookies, muffins, fruit, whatever) and then they can have a little "mini-party" with their whole class.
  • Sapporo
    Sapporo Posts: 693 Member
    Kindergarten and not all kids get invited to the party? I have never known anyone who does that. Grade 3 or 4 it starts to be friends only or same sex only. All kids are friends in kindergarten. Maybe we're just nicer people here.
  • kennethmgreen
    kennethmgreen Posts: 1,759 Member
    I love it when someone barges in and starts going "have you ever been the parent of that kid who wasn't invited?", you're exactly what we're talking about,
    But you haven't been talking. Two years on MFP, and this was your first post.
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    the people who teach their kid that they're special above everyone else, not just special to you, but so special that they shouldn't be excluded or not-included from anything the other kids are/aren't.
    I agree that this is a problem.

    I agree with some of the rest of what you wrote.

    So what's the solution?
  • christina0089
    christina0089 Posts: 709 Member
    If all the boys but one is being invited that would IMO be hurtful to the child left out. I know that the child uses curse words alot but if you really take into consideration that the child is in Kindergarten meaning he is what 5-6 y/o? That behavior comes from somwhere.. Maybe he is having a hard time at home. Maybe he is subjected to alot of cursing or fighting or even abuse. That being the case the child probably feels alone enough being left out is going to just make matters worse. Maybe if he is included and feels wanted it will make a good impression on him one that he might not be getting anywhere else.


    Best luck to your sister with this situation.
  • Admiral_Derp
    Admiral_Derp Posts: 866 Member
    Everyone doesn't deserve everything and everyone's affection just because they exist. Besides...how are you going to teach your kid that they're a beautiful and unique snowflake if they're all convinced that they're all exactly the same and there are no winners or losers? You can't be unique if you're not taught to excel, and you can't excel without taking the risk of failure. The earlier people learn this...the better.
  • smantha32
    smantha32 Posts: 6,990 Member
    Yes, I dread the day my daughter goes to school. I wonder when school stopped being about education, and started being about feelings, and a social testing ground for certain ideas? They are talking about expanding the hours of school here. I wonder why myself, they are already not teaching the kids enough with the hours they do have, it seems school has become less about reading, writing, and arthmetic, and more about "team spirit" and "sensitivity to others". I guess we need to give our kids one more hours of knowing how to treat each other and that will solve all of our problems.


    Home schooling. I know several people who do it because they want their kid to actually get an education instead of being programmed to be a drone in society.
  • AnnDenny
    AnnDenny Posts: 172 Member
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  • lacurandera1
    lacurandera1 Posts: 8,083 Member
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    Absolutely we (well, you people. idh kids) are. Just take a look around you at the people who are already grown whose parents raised them to have zero accountability and blame everyone else for their failures. These people are breeding. It's bad news.